Hmmm I bet Hoplite couldn't pick me up tho :P
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1. A black hole of that size is not radiocative, FFM. A black hole, of itself, cannot be radioactive since it can't give out any radiation. It's a black hole.
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Actually, black holes DO emit radiation. Hawking Radiation in fact... So ner!
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See point 3, then learn how it actually works by reading the article about it. No radiation can travel across the event horizon.
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I was talking about the physical construction of humans. Unless he is no longer humanoid and runs on all fours (with altered arm lengths) then he isn't going to be able to run at anything like supersonic speeds.
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1. A black hole of that size is not radiocative, FFM. A black hole, of itself, cannot be radioactive since it can't give out any radiation. It's a black hole.
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Black holes of all sizes release matter and energy and slowly shrink as a result of Hawking Radiation (look it up - it's quite fascinating). Don't tell me what I do and don't know about Black Holes. The rate of energy release increases the smaller the hole gets.
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2. A black hole in any region of matter will, indeed, give off radiation in the form of intense x-rays, but that's due to all the local matter being ripped apart as it passes over the event horizon.
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Stellar object sized black holes do, yes. Also, please bear in mind that I am seriously fudging some things by invoking comic-book physics, the 'rules' of which seem to state that if it sounds moderately plausible, it's better than real-world physics.
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3. Due to a neat little quibble of quantum physics, black holes about that size can, at any instant, spontaneously release all their matter in an explosion which... well, let's just say you don't want to be there when it goes off.
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Actually, I think you'll find that this is just the Hawking Radiation emission accelerating the smaller the hole gets. When it gets small enough, it looks like an explosion, because the hole shrinks faster than the speed of light and gives off all of its remaining energy in what appears to be a single massive burst. Though IIRC you'll only get an explosion like that from microscopic black holes, which Richard doesn't count as. Plus, due to yet another cunning application of comic-book physics, Richard unconsciously moderates the rate of energy absorption against energy emission to maintain the size of the hole - he 'eats' to stop it shrinking too quickly, and gives off energy to stop it growing too much.
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All in all, I think we can safely say that that character needs to be left alone with the "it's magic" explanation.
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Oh, I'm happy leaving it that way. FFM asked for my explanation, though.
I do however take some exception that you think I don't know what I'm talking about, given years of study for my degree in ASTROPHYSICS. Guess what I spent a lot of time studying?
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Further to earlier notes: If the surface of an object (which the event horizon qualifies as) releases radiation, it is reasonable to short-cut the language and state that the object itself gives off radiation.
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise.
; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise 
; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.* To be honest, I think this discussion is a little silly. It's a superhero universe. We don't need to know HOW it works. It just does, and then we get on with the story.
What Luke said. With extra cheese.
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise.
; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
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I do know how Hawking Radiation works, and I say again, no energy or matter can pass over the event horizon.
Hawking Radiation is the result of a rather neat quantum trick that happens very close to the event horizon.
Every so often in open space, two particles, one matter, one anti-matter, come into existance for no reason other than random chance (and the existance of zero-point energy). Normally, it doesn't matter, because they immediately collide and cease to exist.
However, if this happens right beside the event horizon of a black hole, what happens is that one particle flies off into space, and the other falls into the hole. If it's the anti-particle that falls in, the hole's total mass gets smaller.
Apparently, being close to an event horizon tends to promote this happening, maybe because the overall energy level of that bit of space is higher.
In practice, however, the energy comes from a particle which came into existance on our side of the event horizon, and the mass loss is caused by a particle of anti-matter falling in. Like I said, read the wiki article that you're quoting at me.
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Actually, I think you'll find that this is just the Hawking Radiation emission accelerating the smaller the hole gets
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Yes, it is. It's been calculated that when the hole gets down to about two Earth masses, the remaining matter is converted into energy at a very extreme rate. Can you imagine the effect of two Earth masses of matter being converted into energy within a short space of time right in the middle of Paragon City? (Because I'd really rather not try.)
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Yeah, I could tell you about the 'proof' that a 'hole' in an electron configuration is the equivalent of an electron mass positive particle. Same sort of 'approximation'.
However, Hawking went to a load of trouble to explain why you didn't need to have anything crossing the event horizon in order to make this 'shrinking black hole' thing work.
Edit: Almost all of the 'radiation' given off by a black hole is actually the result of matter being pulled apart as it crosses the event horizon. Except in the case of Shadowe, the Hawking Radiation should be very small compared to the energy from the Earth being sucked into him.
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I do however take some exception that you think I don't know what I'm talking about, given years of study for my degree in ASTROPHYSICS. Guess what I spent a lot of time studying?
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I was actually mostly complaining about FFM there, but you were actually arguing it with him and it can't really be argued over. There's no point, IMHO, in trying to justify a character like that in terms of science, any more than I would try to justify the existance of any of my weirder characters.
Next time FFM asks for an explanation, tell him it's magic.
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Like I said, read the wiki article that you're quoting at me.
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I haven't quoted anything at you. I learned this stuff by doing the maths. Your above explanation is perfectly clear and seems mostly correct, however.
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Can you imagine the effect of two Earth masses of matter being converted into energy within a short space of time right in the middle of Paragon City? (Because I'd really rather not try.)
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Yes, I can. It would be rather unpleasant and would annihilate the planet. Which is why, for some completely obscure reason (that might have something to do with wanting to enjoy my character without someone trying to pick apart his creation myth every five seconds), I set strict limits on what he can and cannot do, and explained (albeit with frequent reference to comic-book physics) why this doesn't happen. He looks, sounds and acts like a normal human being 99% of the time. I fail to see how my fudgy creation story interferes with anyone's enjoyment of the game, as long as I don't let it get out of control. And I'm never going to do that.
You don't have to like it Raven, and because of the way I play my characters you can ignore it completely. It makes no difference to me one way or another. I'm never going to have him destroy the planet, or even a small portion of it, though he has and will probably again threaten to do so. I'm far more interested in exploring the mind of a man who thinks he's still human but knows deep down that he isn't.
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise.
; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
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That's what I'm saying about your runner. He cannot be remotely 'realistic', because his physical structure is wrong for a creature that can run at over 600mph.
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Oh raven, why do I feel like you fell as if I am attacking all comic book creation as it is? lol
I never said that a man traveling around a planet 69 miles in 23 seconds is impossible. I said that for me i have to attemp to rationalize them. That why I said I know its weird, but to put my mind at ease I must try to. Is like why did they invent the speed force for flash, Yellow solar raditation powering supes? Hard Light for GL, the hollow bone structure of Angel?
In a comic book world like everyone says you don't have to, but some people like myself, feel the need to try.
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but you complain that a power is unrealistic without invulnerability,
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Again in my mind, i thought how does he survive mach 3? He has super strong skin , that as a side effect would grant him some invulnerblity. I never complained, I simply stated my reasoning around it.
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Actually, you're wrong this time. You don't need enhanced strength you need a totally different physical structure. The primary motive muscles on a bird anchor to the the big, pointy ridge in the centre of the chest. A human rib-cage is totally different from a birds and doesn't have the required muscle and bone systems to power wings.
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Again In a "Comic book rationalization" he would need the increased muscle strength to achieve flight. I now what your on about. Once in class it was asked why can humans have winged flight, by a curious child on the subject of angels. The scienctist " well first off your upper body would need to be at least 85% stronger as we are to heavy to fly", let alone the fact that we would need to drastically rearrange or bone structure.
But if your Alt is a mutant, who, by definition, evolved winged flight, one would assume he would be adapted for it. Like hollow bones, reduced fat storage on the body, increase pectoral muscle strength, highten metabolism, adaption to breathe in thinner air etc..
Okay, maybe I went a little OTT, there, Raven.
But...
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was actually mostly complaining about FFM there, but you were actually arguing it with him and it can't really be argued over. There's no point, IMHO, in trying to justify a character like that in terms of science, any more than I would try to justify the existance of any of my weirder characters.
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There's no point trying to justify Spider-Man's origin. There's no point trying to explain how Superman gets his powers.
I'm not trying to justify Richard's existence. And I wasn't arguing with FFM. I was asked what his creation myth is. I explained it. You decided to pick it apart. So, apologies for getting a little het-up - he's my character, and I'm rather attached to him. Back to reality (erm, am I allowed to say that, in this forum?). Normal service may now resume.
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise.
; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
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Again in my mind, i thought how does he survive mach 3? He has super strong skin , that as a side effect would grant him some invulnerblity. I never complained, I simply stated my reasoning around it.
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And quite reasonable. However, and this may be a function of your use of language, or my reading of it, the way you said it implied that you were, in some way, better than others due to this rationalisation, or perhaps that your rationalisation made more sense. It doesn't, as I hope I've explained. It might make sense in your head, but if I were creating a hero I could fully rationalise I'd need to apply a lot more physics to them than you are doing.
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But if your Alt is a mutant, who, by definition, evolved winged flight, one would assume he would be adapted for it. Like hollow bones, reduced fat storage on the body, increase pectoral muscle strength, highten metabolism, adaption to breathe in thinner air etc..
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You can make those rationalisations if you like, but you can't build a real humanoid that can look human (you are limited by the character editor afterall) and still fly in Earth gravity. It's physically not possible. You need lower gravity, and/or a denser atmosphere. It isn't reasonable to assume that a mutant would develop the required abilities and body modifications. Calling it reasonable doesn't make it so. The point is, it doesn't need to be reasonable in CoX because lots of things happen that aren't reasonable at all.
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And I wasn't arguing with FFM. I was asked what his creation myth is. I explained it. You decided to pick it apart.
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Actually, I hadn't read it. I was mostly picking apart FFM's decsription of what a black hole was. Then you guys picked my comments apart because I didn't mention the words 'Hawking' and 'Radiation'.
My point in replying to FFM was not to pick apart your character's origin story, but to assault FFM with a mashey-niblick for asking you how a sentient black hole develops when the physical impossibility of the character makes justification impossible and unrequired. Basically, I felt FFM was asking you to justify your character (which might not have been what he really meant) and I was saying that justification was pointless.
So I was telling FFM off for asking you to justify your character (bad, FFM, no buscuit ) and you were telling me off because you thought I was asking you to justify your character.
Isn't communication over the Internet a delightful and fun-filled thing? Don't you just love the confusion?
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You can make those rationalisations if you like, but you can't build a real humanoid that can look human (you are limited by the character editor afterall) and still fly in Earth gravity. It's physically not possible. You need lower gravity, and/or a denser atmosphere. It isn't reasonable to assume that a mutant would develop the required abilities and body modifications. Calling it reasonable doesn't make it so. The point is, it doesn't need to be reasonable in CoX because lots of things happen that aren't reasonable at all.
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It doesn't, as I hope I've explained.
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Ok put it like this. Gambling. People try to see a pattern that isn't there. Why because the human brain likes patterns, their easier to think about than random outcomes. Probablitity doesn't not comply with patterns, agreed. Now my winged mutant doesn't work. I know this, you know this. I didn't need you to tell me that, nor do I think "HA I WIN RAVEN, I rationized my character, he is better than yours", I like the person who knows that patterns don't exist with probability, find it eaier to think about if they exist anyways. If anything it also works to prevent godding modding which I would subconcussious do over time. They are Personal guide lines. WHy can't he suddenly become more and more powerful rapidly, because I have limited him to be birdlike. It works for me. If anyone one asks, thats what I tell then, "i can't come" "why not just aply fudge!" "still can't, I would still only be a bird hybrid "
As my OP was about how you interpret the canon and other elements of the game as a exchange of opinions not a debate, I didn't mean to offend you.
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So I was telling FFM off for asking you to justify your character (bad, FFM, no buscuit ) and you were telling me off because you thought I was asking you to justify your character.
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Wasn't after justification, I was genuinely curious to his origin story and how his powers worked!
And I don't want a biscuit, I'm fat enough already thanks!
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Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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And I don't want a biscuit, I'm fat enough already thanks!
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Bad FFM, you ate all the buscuits! 
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There, we're all laughing and smiley again, having finally communicated what we all meant. Yay! 
Have a cookie.
FFM can have a cookie too. I still won't be able to float him.
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise.
; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
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As my OP was about how you interpret the canon and other elements of the game as a exchange of opinions not a debate, I didn't mean to offend you.
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Nor I you.
To return to your original point then:
How do I interpret the CoX canon? I don't. I don't think there's enough detail or substance to it to treat that way and the very nature of an MMO makes it next to impossible to handle the actual story with any 'responsibility' because you'll rapidly meet someone who, say, doesn't know that Crey are a mean megacorp, despite the fact that your personal storyline says that news of their downfall has been all over the media.
You might be able to stick with canon plotline if you always adventure in the same group and only ever do a named villain mission once (at least that's possible now). If you start meeting other people around the world, it starts getting very silly.
One thing I think you are missing with regards to Statesman and Recluse: they aren't human, they really have been endowed with aspects of a god, Zeus to be exact. What's more, sometime in the future, you may be able to get your own toons 'Incarnated' in the same way. I remember when the idea was first put forward that we muttered dark things about people God Modding for real... 
And you really should check up on what God Modding actually means.
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FFM can have a cookie too. I still won't be able to float him.
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Of course you can, you just need a big enough bath...
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And you really should check up on what God Modding actually means.
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Ok explain it then.
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One thing I think you are missing with regards to Statesman and Recluse: they aren't human, they really have been endowed with aspects of a god, Zeus to be exact.
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Number one Recluse does not have the aspects of Zeus. Recluse is the Incarnate of Tartarus. Second wiether they are not human is open to debate. I would think most see their postion as Incarnates their AT, not their speices.
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However, Earth's Radius is around 40,000 km (40,057km). Doing that in 23 seconds is about 1739km/s. Which is about 150 times escape velocity. After the first step, the character would fly into space at a tangent to the point where he last touched the surface.
In fact, if memory serves from my Astrophysics degree, unless there is a force actively pushing an object towards the Earth in addition to Gravity pulling on it, the absolute fastest it is possible to circumnavigate the globe is around 85 minutes (I'll let someone else figure that out) without flying off into space.
Now, I accept that comic-book physics allow us to ignore little things like the laws of physics, but I personally like an explanation.
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As I don't have any fancy degrees [I'm only in wittle ol' High School =P], would you mind if I were to put foward a hypothosis I've just came up with in the blink of an eye?
Considering you know more than me on this, I was hoping if you could tell me if it's possible or not.
Basically: Volt Master can control electricty, so, the extra force he has keeping him down on the Earth's surface may be electric-magnetism? Perhaps he may be able to make a powerful enough pull to keep him on the ground while running.
As I said, I'm not sure if it would work, but I was just wondering if that may satisfy any curious readers.
If not, off to try and find a good way to fudge a reason for me then.
*Bows down to Junior's fudgability* Well played, that man!
"A side effect of Volt Master's electrical nature is that he generates a polarised magnetic field while in motion. The field strength increases the faster he moves, thereby enabling him to maintain contact with the ground as he travels at speeds that would normally cause him to leave the surface of the Earth."
Things to fudge: Why don't ferrous materials that he passes near stick to him when he moves?
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise.
; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.* Assuming it works like magnetos, because he is repelling himself from the earths iron magnetic core?
I may have to add something. In potential, Acenra has got something that makes him potentially powerful. However, this potential "power" so to speak can be used once and only once.
he has the hidden ability to fuse his spirit with the god spirit in his sword and shield, making him almost hami strong. when the power wears off, Acenra will be put in a coma like state (until I get him to lvl 30 for the next cossie) I'm gonna use it in my plot, but not in-game, or against any other player. I'm gonna use it on the thread I have. just thought I'd give the heads up
For UltraNova, what God Modding is:
Essentially, God Modding, or "God Mode Roleplay" is forcing your wishes on another player without their permission. You do not have to be playing a god, you don't even have to be playing a superhero.
The simplest example is something like "Bill shoots Ted in the chest, killing him instantly." Bill's player has not only determined the actions of Bill, but has also determined the results of those actions on Ted. Ted's player has been ignored. Bill's player is God Modding.
In these circumstances, the correct mode of operation would be more like:
"Bill fires at Ted, aiming at his chest."
"Ted is hit and critically wounded."
In a superhero tale, the response might be "Ted easily dodges the bullet." The point is, it isn't up to Bill's player to decide what happens to Ted.
God Mode Roleplay then, is deciding what happens to other people's characters when you have no right to do so. It actually has nothing at all to do with playing gods, or having uber-powers on your characters. It's actually a matter of roleplay ettiquette.
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Number one Recluse does not have the aspects of Zeus. Recluse is the Incarnate of Tartarus.
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How can he be an aspect of Tartarus? Tartarus is a place, not a god.
Could you post a link where this information can be found? I'm not actually saying you're wrong, because I'm happy to believe anything bad about the CoX backstory, but I do remember the entire concept behind Recluse and States was supposed to be that they were both Incarnates of Zeus, each having different aspects of the god.
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this world what i purpose is possible when you look at synaspse
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Synapse does not claim to have gained his powers through genetic engineering. He was zapped and all sorts by Crey Corp. Speed isn't his only ability.
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I was talking about the physical construction of humans. Unless he is no longer humanoid and runs on all fours (with altered arm lengths) then he isn't going to be able to run at anything like supersonic speeds.
Yes, in a comic book setting it doesn't matter, but you complain that a power is unrealistic without invulnerability, when that power is, itself, totally unrealistic. That's just putting limitations on things for the sake of doing it. You want to do that, fine, but don't argue it as if you are being 'more reasonable' than anyone else.
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Genetic engineering cannot change fundamental laws of mechanics. No matter how you re-engineer a human, you'll never allow them to run at supersonic speed.
As I said, I don't care, it's a comic book, but you're putting forward the idea that your character is 'realistic' when he isn't even vaguely close to being realistic.
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And? We don't have an example here of a winged human being given a 'rational' explanation.
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He has enhanced strenght. why ? Not because I want him to so much as it rationizes how a human would be able to flap wings hard enough to fly when we don't possess the muscle strength to do so.
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Actually, you're wrong this time. You don't need enhanced strength you need a totally different physical structure. The primary motive muscles on a bird anchor to the the big, pointy ridge in the centre of the chest. A human rib-cage is totally different from a birds and doesn't have the required muscle and bone systems to power wings.
If you wanted to build a 'bird man' for real, he would need to have a chest that stuck out several feet in front of him, and he'd need almost hollow bones. I believe that, under Earth gravity, it would actually be impossible to build a creature the size of a human which could flap the (enormous) wings enough to lift it.
Gliding might work, but only with very big wings.
That's what I'm saying about your runner. He cannot be remotely 'realistic', because his physical structure is wrong for a creature that can run at over 600mph.
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