how do you handle defensive EB?

yesterday i got in trouble against minx and walkyri.

for valk the frist encounter was short, we powned her.
then she raised and... OMG! she MoGed herself it was over for me.
i then waited and looked at my comrade that had a hard time defeating her without being able to hit her.

then it's minx meeting, once again, elude means i am useless.can't hold or hit mean i can't slow or even build domination. and even with domination up, without hiting minx it was useless.

i have 2 doms an ice/ice and a grav/psi. (i have a grav/thorn also but aim + impal slotted in def debuff help a lot in this case)

what can i do to help my team mate when i am confronted with those kind of mob?

i no BU and no debuff... even with tactic i wasn't able to hit them to use drain psyché.

is there anything i can do ?(no yellow inspi are not the solution and btw against minx 4 of them did'nt helped me at all)

Run and wait 'till the +def drops.

Yeah, basically it comes down to the "run and wait" tactic. This works really well against Valkyrie since she is quite easy to beat as soon as MoG wears off. (Just keep an eye on the target indicator and wait for her hp to rise again.)
Mynx can be a lot trickier since her Elude recharges quite fast. She seems to be permanently speed boosted (and stacked Siphon Speed does not do too much about it). With all of her running around like a mad monkey in a caffeine rush it can be quite hard to down her before Elude is up again. Best chance without massive damage output would be to time domination so that you definitely have her held when she would normally try to trigger Elude. (Sadly, this is quite early as I have seen her Eluding with almost half a health bar left.)

so just thorn can be a jack of all trade?

Some assault powers can hit through things like MoG (psi dart I think). You can also use auto hit powers like TK.

Though unless you have Domination up, TK won't be able to do much on its own.

Carrion Creepers or Ice Slick/Patch (whichever one it is in Ice Control) might also buy you the time you need.

Well, if you are a Mind/* dom, you should not have too much trouble with Mynx (as Elite-Boss) anyway. Just confuse her until you have built enough MAG, let her finish her longbow spawn, then close in and use TK. During the course of the fight it might be safer to apply both, holds and confuse, in case you miss some holds in a row and/or are not running Domination, but other than that you should be able to keep her out of the fight (and out of Elude) until the end.

Very true. The best plan for fights against Mynx or Valk are just as you describe - plan to deny them the chance to use Elude or MoG.

I'm liking what I've seen so far of the Black Scorpion Patron Power, Poisonous Ray and my /Thorns Dominator for just such instances.

Use FoN.

As MaX said, don't be afraid to run away and come back once MoG or Elude has dropped. Sometimes i'll die against an EB, but I won't rush straight back into the fight, I'll try to get back up to domination outside the mission.

You say that insps aren't the answer but I'm afraid that if you want to try and hit through elude then you are going to have to pop a good few yellows. Your first dom you mentioned is ice, which has aim and should help you hit. Your second is /psi and because MoG doesn't offer psi protection just a few hits with psi dart (after popping yellows of course) should do the trick. If all else fails go and grab some friends/shivans.

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Your first dom you mentioned is ice, which has aim and should help you hit.

[/ QUOTE ]/thorn is only dom with Aim, ice has power boost.

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Your first dom you mentioned is ice, which has aim and should help you hit.

[/ QUOTE ]/thorn is only dom with Aim, ice has power boost.

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Oops, my mistake

I usually wait until the triangles are down (zoom out with your back facing the EB, so you can see the triangles) then when they face down, pop Domination, "pull" the EB with the hold, usually the Hold has recharged by the time the EB has arrived from round the corner, then go berserk and when you feel that the EB is about to up his triangles again, pop 'em lucks to avoid the attacks, keep attacking and use Drain Psyche (if you're using your psi Dom) to keep yourself refilled with Endurance. It usually takes 6 lucks to beat a triangle EB, or depending on the EB, it may even take 4 lucks per each streak on ativating the lucks.

You will laugh at most non-PToD EBs, except Biff, but as you have a /Psi Dom even Biff won't be such a problem (not sure if he can regen back to full under 30 seconds (around 15 seconds if Hasten is on))



If the EB has a godmode, it's wise to wait for it to go off. Some EBs also have epic novas (Mirror Spirit for example) so when you've beat them down until they have 1/4 of their health, keep your distance.

If you still can't succeed, grab a shivan.

Hmm I havent tried all that much against different EBs, but I noticed with snaptooth that confusing seems to work well. So my mind/en will stack confuse from distance (no aggro) until EBs prot is broken ( can continue it until domination is ready) amd then just attack normally and keep EB permaconfused. Looks like triangles offer no extra confuse prot, thanks to whoever that was that tipped me off.

Yeah confuse works wonders with Mind/. Snaptooth however doesn't have triangles, although I'm positive that the only things that the PToD doesn't protect against are Sleep and Immob, I remember reading somewhere that Fear also gets through the triangles, but my money is on that PToD protect against that too.

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Yeah confuse works wonders with Mind/. Snaptooth however doesn't have triangles, although I'm positive that the only things that the PToD doesn't protect against are Sleep and Immob, I remember reading somewhere that Fear also gets through the triangles, but my money is on that PToD protect against that too.

[/ QUOTE ]Confuse used to work fine on AV's around when I started (I3), dunno if it does nowdays though.

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Yeah confuse works wonders with Mind/. Snaptooth however doesn't have triangles, although I'm positive that the only things that the PToD doesn't protect against are Sleep and Immob, I remember reading somewhere that Fear also gets through the triangles, but my money is on that PToD protect against that too.

[/ QUOTE ]Confuse used to work fine on AV's around when I started (I3), dunno if it does nowdays though.

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I sometimes spam confuse from a distance to get a better idea of when the triangles are down. Its a lot easier to see the pink head bubbles then some microscoptic triangles.

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Yeah confuse works wonders with Mind/. Snaptooth however doesn't have triangles, although I'm positive that the only things that the PToD doesn't protect against are Sleep and Immob, I remember reading somewhere that Fear also gets through the triangles, but my money is on that PToD protect against that too.

[/ QUOTE ]Confuse used to work fine on AV's around when I started (I3), dunno if it does nowdays though.

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I sometimes spam confuse from a distance to get a better idea of when the triangles are down. Its a lot easier to see the pink head bubbles then some microscoptic triangles.

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I really, really, really wish they'd make the triangles bigger. Like the size of the damage/resistance/defence buff/debuff indicators...

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Yeah confuse works wonders with Mind/. Snaptooth however doesn't have triangles, although I'm positive that the only things that the PToD doesn't protect against are Sleep and Immob, I remember reading somewhere that Fear also gets through the triangles, but my money is on that PToD protect against that too.

[/ QUOTE ]Confuse used to work fine on AV's around when I started (I3), dunno if it does nowdays though.

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I sometimes spam confuse from a distance to get a better idea of when the triangles are down. Its a lot easier to see the pink head bubbles then some microscoptic triangles.

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Just to spell it out: Yes, the PToD help against Confusion, but the EB-version is not strong enough to keep a dominator from getting the job done.