There have been lots of discussion around this in the past month, if you look down some of the other threads on here.
I don't think there is much difference between the two, obviously tough and weave are more preventative, and tough will only work against certain damage types, whereas aid self will heal you (a lot and often if slotted well) against all damage types.
I have Aid Self on my Tank, but I will be getting both when I respec.
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By slotting Hibernate with 3 recharges and having hasten running, you don't really need a self heal (I'm assuming you use Hoarfrost to increase your HP instead of self healing). Plus, you seem to have enough experience to stay alive for 20seconds while Hibernate is recharging.
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Go for aidself, its great being used after herding mobs, and also after EA, when you have taken the alpha and now your defense is boosted enough to let u heal without being interrupted
took a friends ice/ss tank out for a spin recently and with maximum herds of purple minions, lts and bosses I can safely say that aid self has never been needed nor can I envisage a situation where EA/hoarfrost and hibernate cant take care of the situation. (unless of course you try to relive the i4 glory days and take on mobs of +8s)
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ice/ice has icepatch for me having weave and aid self maybe overkill but given the choice id go for....whichever one was okay to drop other powers for because a basic standard ice/ice is probably good enough as it is.
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By slotting Hibernate with 3 recharges and having hasten running, you don't really need a self heal (I'm assuming you use Hoarfrost to increase your HP instead of self healing). Plus, you seem to have enough experience to stay alive for 20seconds while Hibernate is recharging.
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He's lvl 28 and hasn't got Hibernate 
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took a friends ice/ss tank out for a spin recently and with maximum herds of purple minions, lts and bosses I can safely say that aid self has never been needed nor can I envisage a situation where EA/hoarfrost and hibernate cant take care of the situation. (unless of course you try to relive the i4 glory days and take on mobs of +8s)
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I'd rather use aid self than hibernate, quicker to use, quicker to replenish health and taunt aura is still working whilst using it.
I have hibernate as a panic button, and have rarely needed it so far.
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By slotting Hibernate with 3 recharges and having hasten running, you don't really need a self heal (I'm assuming you use Hoarfrost to increase your HP instead of self healing). Plus, you seem to have enough experience to stay alive for 20seconds while Hibernate is recharging.
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He's lvl 28 and hasn't got Hibernate
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What a gimped build! At level 28 not having the level 32 power... Respec NOW!
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I know he doesn't have Hibernate yet. All I'm saying is I'd rather pick Hibernate at 32 than picking Stimulant at 30 and AidSelf at 32. Now if you want to be a totally independent tanker, who can do everything on his own without needing your team's help, then go for aid self. If not, Ice Patch, EA, Hoarfrost, Hibernate and the precious help from your team will be more than enough.
*I'm assuming you're not building a PvP char. If you are then I do think you should pick aidself.*
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took a friends ice/ss tank out for a spin recently and with maximum herds of purple minions, lts and bosses I can safely say that aid self has never been needed nor can I envisage a situation where EA/hoarfrost and hibernate cant take care of the situation. (unless of course you try to relive the i4 glory days and take on mobs of +8s)
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I'd rather use aid self than hibernate, quicker to use, quicker to replenish health and taunt aura is still working whilst using it.
I have hibernate as a panic button, and have rarely needed it so far.
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you should use it more its a great power, just because you go into hibernate it doesnt deactivate any taunts, just the aura is no longer being applied. Its got perfect synergy for SS as when rage crashes and the -def is applied you just hibernate and come out fighting.
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But if Aid Self is quicker to use and quicker to heal, then it's better than basically an intangible version of rest.
i'm ice/ice so between EA and Ice patch I rarely get interrupted using aid self. The only time i've needed hibernate is against DE and their darn dirty quartz.
There are several ways of playing the Ice Tanker I guess. Anyway, asnwering directly to the topic question, AidSelf is better than Tough/Weave IMO. But you will certainly find Hibernate very helpful (not just as a panic button) and you'll use it several times.
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you should use it more its a great power, just because you go into hibernate it doesnt deactivate any taunts, just the aura is no longer being applied. Its got perfect synergy for SS as when rage crashes and the -def is applied you just hibernate and come out fighting.
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Rage and Hibernate are a truly great combo.
As far as the original poster is concerned, Aid Self is probably better or the same as Tough and Weave but it is less powers. Ice tankers are the only tanker to gain little real benefit from Tough.
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Remember the OP is ice/ice, so rage is not a matter to discuss. Of course that on an ice/ss tactics would be different, but losing gauntlet and taunt aura on tank, you would only have taunt left (that if you have taken it previously), which would decrease your tanking effectivity IMHO. Aid self replenishes your health and EA your endurance, so hibernate would only be needed as a panic button. Besides remember Super Speed has only lost its +def bonus in pvp, it's still pretty handy for pve since your tank is based upon defense
Since when does Superspeed have +def?
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Remember the OP is ice/ice, so rage is not a matter to discuss. Of course that on an ice/ss tactics would be different, but losing gauntlet and taunt aura on tank, you would only have taunt left (that if you have taken it previously), which would decrease your tanking effectivity IMHO.
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Have you used Hibernate? The aggro dropoff of an actively taunting and gauntletting Ice tank ( with both Auras ) is pretty long. Generally I find it is about 10 seconds before you lose aggro and have to come out of it, that's with 1 taunt enhancement on taunt and CE. During that time they are attacking you and so wasting time and energy on you. If it wasn't for Chilling Embrace working it would be the ideal tanking power.
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Aid self replenishes your health and EA your endurance, so hibernate would only be needed as a panic button.
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From what I've heard Aid Self is expensive in end, EA doesn't work in all circumstances. EA makes endurance managable, however it doesn't solve all endurance problems.
Hibernate is a panic button that can be hit every minute. However it is an awesome panic button and shouldn't be dismissed. I got it at 35 because the guides I read didn't rate it. I wish I had got it at 32. IMO it is better than Unstoppable for tanking.
I found Hibernate made the difference between fighting 8 man team +2s and +4s.
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Besides remember Super Speed has only lost its +def bonus in pvp, it's still pretty handy for pve since your tank is based upon defense
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Have you used Hibernate?
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Well my first toon was an ice/ice tank back in i3. Honest to the truth I deleted it in i5 (if you were playing your tank by then, you'll understand why). I'm building an ice/nrg tank now tho he's lv34 so.. yes, i have used hibernate for a while, and if you are not alone, all i have found is that if foes are attacked, even if it's the very next second after starting to hibernate, they will ignore you and turn towards the attacker
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It's not, the only counter forthis is that it can be interruptible. Not much an issue after EA
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EA doesn't work in all circumstances. EA makes endurance managable, however it doesn't solve all endurance problems.
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EA is autohit. I have never had end issues playing with all my toggles on (including tough and weave)+ss unless against an AV, but there is always end buffers around in those cases
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I think you mean stealth not def. Superspeed was never +def in Europe.
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I know it's not said in the info, but try the same mob with and without ss on, and then tell me 
. I have done it several times, and have noticed myself a really noticeable difference
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I know it's not said in the info, but try the same mob with and without ss on, and then tell me . I have done it several times, and have noticed myself a really noticeable difference
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Yea, your completely wrong mate. SS works as Stealth when you pass through a mob ( or Invisibility if you have Stealth power on ). That's all. No +Def.
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Have you used Hibernate?
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Well my first toon was an ice/ice tank back in i3. Honest to the truth I deleted it in i5 (if you were playing your tank by then, you'll understand why). I'm building an ice/nrg tank now tho he's lv34 so.. yes, i have used hibernate for a while, and if you are not alone, all i have found is that if foes are attacked, even if it's the very next second after starting to hibernate, they will ignore you and turn towards the attacker
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It definitely isn't instantanous with Icicles + Chilling Embrace, a decent amount of punchvoke and regular taunts, you have a reasonable few seconds before your team starts getting hit, enough that you can be way past half hitpoints if your were low.
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My first toon was Ice/Ice back on CoH beta test It was squishy indeed. But I loved it.
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I'd say get something fun instead, but if you're really having trouble staying alive, get Aid self. Both are overkill though and not really needed as most people have commented already.
my tank is lv 28 and ice/ice, i have all the shields apart from permafrost and hibernate. im just wondering which would be better for me, numbers and general knowledge would be great in general so i could also decide for myself, thanks alot =)