[Defiant] Looking for a necro/dark MM for a duel
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BindW,
Posted on: 2006-09-21 10:07 in Everything about PvP
What's a "Win" button?
(Edited because I missed the bit about rated fights only - *puts level 50 Elec' Brute back in box*).
rated duels vs a mm is not acceptable imo as they will not have the end to produce their pets/defence before they have died at least once Vs a competant blaster, will also take several blues to get even the basic pets into play. JIMHO of course
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Its your fault
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Its your ISPs fault
No MM will survive more than 2 seconds as they'll not have the end to get their pets out before they're dead and rated duels, with tactical start, are too heavily geared in favour of end drainers or regens.
Even realistically, does spiderman turn up for a fight and have to wait until 5 minutes into a battle before he's able to use his powers?
EDIT: Reads Stalk_obot's post and realises he's not the only one to spot the obvious hole in this challenge.
Few things. This challenge mainly comes becomes recently someone who I'm not allowed to name, decided to have a no insp match with me at 40, this proving nothing about arena duels, although it was arena duels in which said person said they would be able to easily beat me.
There is no reason an MM can't insp tank to the point where they are set up once at the start, IMO from that point a good MM with 2 AoE heals should be able to lock me down and win regardless of insps later on.
Another thing, at the moment, I am taking about a 40 + seconds to zone to arena matches, judging by my END situation when I 'appear' to myself, I have probably been active for about 15 seconds. It takes me about 5 seconds to cover the distance between the 2 spawn points in duels so there is a slight technical chance that an MM could set up unhindered to an extent.
Anyways, this is more about me A) learning what to fear from MMs in duels, and possbily with ensuing rematches letting MMs set up properly to learn about a more zonal duel with an MM, although in a controlled environment, and B) proving to certain people that no insp duels mean squat in the arena and that MMs are not good when it comes to duels as a general rule.
On the rated note, I'm happy to fight rated rules at 50 without rating, i.e. if you aren't 47 already I will set a custom duel up, but you will just have to suffer the level loss, I'm testing my build at 50, not really interested in how it performs at 46 or 40.
RE the elec brute, you should bring him out, they have insane resists to my damage and if you have a self heal I doubt I will claim one kill if you have a clue about PvP 
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If you stick about on Test after Squished on Sunday, I'll try to give you a decent scrap with my Robots/Dark MM, Plighty. I'm not really one for duels, nor am I massively fond of the Arena, and I share the reservations of the above re: setup time in a duel situation - but I'll give it a shot.
@Synaesthetix
"Here, take some more bees with you. You may need them."
Union: FU//LoUD
"that Syn is that that" - Mothers Love
Ill take you on mate with my robots dark mastermind ive been itching to see how well he does againts a high lv electric blaster all though not too keen on the tactical start idea since its a major cripple to us MM's unless i can get my hands on some tier 3 insp's 
Remember to report back here what happened, im interested myself. MMs have strengths and weaknesses in arena pvp, and Im interested if it is indeed possible to set up correctly in time and end allotted. I have always thought that tactical start gives a whopping advantage for elec blaster against most opponents though.
ps. Nothing needs proving about no insp matches though.
I'll keep the thread alive, no worries.
different toons need different insps for different matches. why do i take 20 BFs for troller? 1 hyphenated word: perma-mez. sure the tactical start is a pain for most people, but i've ben known to fight pre PS, even pre stamina (30 for me), a few insps at the start of a match vs a blaster is no big issue imho, bar very high mezing toons i usually have ranging from 4-8 insps to do whatever with. example would be that vs a claw scrapper i wouldnt even need insps, not saying i wouldnt take them, but i dont really need em as a rule, vs an empath defender in group PvP spec all i really need is enough BFs to get 1 kill over TK, so depends what u want to achieve with ur insps. usually not dying more than my opponent is waht i aim for
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Like Syn I'll be on test after Squished.
I can offer
Elc/Elc Brute @50 or
Necro/Dark @lvl 42
I have already played in the Arena with my MM with a /Thermal Cor and their lovely end drain hehe still didnt stand a chance 
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Like Syn I'll be on test after Squished.
I can offer
Elc/Elc Brute @50 or
Necro/Dark @lvl 42
I have already played in the Arena with my MM with a /Thermal Cor and their lovely end drain hehe still didnt stand a chance
[/ QUOTE ]vs yourslef I would say that a thermal corr does about 1/16 the drain I will do 
I am assuming that corrs are ST drainers though, not rally an expert
Only MMs I'm really worried about are FF ones at the moment, 10 minutes i can tank enough insps to survive I hope.
Love to try the 50 elec elec brute, last one was level 40 iirc and without a self heal nearly trounced me, it's not often I get on the back foot vs melee ATs 
Plight
whichever drain it was it brought my End to a zero and stopped me regainning it
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whichever drain it was it brought my End to a zero and stopped me regainning it
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short curcuit drains and prevents it from recovering afterwards, with that, power sink and most attacks doing some drain once its at 0 you are not getting it back unless dead of carrying blues
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Its your fault
Its your computers fault
Its your ISPs fault
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whichever drain it was it brought my End to a zero and stopped me regainning it
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short curcuit drains and prevents it from recovering afterwards, with that, power sink and most attacks doing some drain once its at 0 you are not getting it back unless dead of carrying blues
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KS is talking about Heat Exhaustion (/Thermal)- which completely halts Recovery and saps you down to 0. (FYI, it'll also eat through the base +Recovery of Elude and related powers.) No need for all the continued sapping - it's a one-shot deal, and it lasts for an age. As Plight notes, however, it is only ST.
@Synaesthetix
"Here, take some more bees with you. You may need them."
Union: FU//LoUD
"that Syn is that that" - Mothers Love
What is ST referring to?
Single Target.
@Synaesthetix
"Here, take some more bees with you. You may need them."
Union: FU//LoUD
"that Syn is that that" - Mothers Love
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Single Target.
[/ QUOTE ]Hence you will be screwed when and if some who drians in a large AoE turns up, also noting that your pets are NPCs, not PCs, so drains hit them 4 times harder than they will ever hit you in PvP.
Thanks for that Botty, now I know it's ST i'm a bit happier
SC's -rec is prolly just about the same as the +rec from elude and unstop, maybe slightly less. I know it's more than base+QR+stam but less that PBed RA. Abbreviations ftw eh?
Plight
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whichever drain it was it brought my End to a zero and stopped me regainning it
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short curcuit drains and prevents it from recovering afterwards, with that, power sink and most attacks doing some drain once its at 0 you are not getting it back unless dead of carrying blues
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KS is talking about Heat Exhaustion (/Thermal)- which completely halts Recovery and saps you down to 0. (FYI, it'll also eat through the base +Recovery of Elude and related powers.) No need for all the continued sapping - it's a one-shot deal, and it lasts for an age. As Plight notes, however, it is only ST.
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it doesnt sap you down, it takes an initial chunk of end as a drain and then halts all recovery for 60 seconds, the action of then running toggles/using powers is what eats away your end. It can be perma without hasten but if it misses its a bit of a blow.
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Its your fault
Its your computers fault
Its your ISPs fault
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running toggles/using powers is what eats away your end. It can be perma without hasten but if it misses its a bit of a blow.
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Is that from experience or stats? I only ask as me and Max Khaos had a fight ealier and were both hitting it. It didn't seem to be anywhere near perma to me and the recharge on it is pretty damn long.
So I'm a level 50 elec/elec/elec blaster on defiant named Plight Trawler. I'm looking to fight as many necro/dark MMs in rated arena duels as I can, just because I'd like to see the variation in builds and tactics that are avaialable to the set combo.
. I have duelled a lot of heroes, need to get my head around the villainous sets now 
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You can email either of my mains (below) or Gtell me (look left) although due to major issues logging into CoV I often crash before I zone in, hence missing Gtells. PMs are open too here.
On another note, also looking for anyone with an MM or any other PvP ish villain, so far the only real win button I've encountered is force bubble, my build isn't made for that sort of ranged damage
I'm generally on some daytimes, wednesday nights, sundays and sporadically throughout the rest of the week.
Have a nice day folks
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