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That last bit is incorrect. Players are free to appeal any disciplinary decision by contacting Customer Support (the easiest way is for them to simply reply to the email notifying the player of the disciplinary action), at which point a Senior GM will investigate the situation.
If, after this, they still feel that they have been treated unfairly, they should email me and I'll look into it.
You read it differently to me. I read it that the mob tp comes as a result of the abuse, not to provoke it. The mob tp would more than likely "hasten the process" of being sworn at, but generally such abusers tend to end up resorting to bad language anyway.
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I admit that I drone and mob TP in PvP. Although I never gloated (never really got into the trash talk)
I used to get a lot of verbal bashing for doing so, underhanded sneaky unfair tactics etc. and a lot of swear words aimed at me (goign back to the honour kill debate)
I will continue to play any way I want within the EULA, and until told otherwise will carry on with these tactics.
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If it is allowed in the zones and is not in breach of the EULA, I fail to see how it is baiting.
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Which, I suspect, is the problem.
Using the chat systems to communicate with other players is not, in and of itself, a violations of the EULA.
Using the chat systems to verbally abuse or insult other players is a violation of the EULA.
See the difference?
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And can we finally have something from a red name about whetehr mob tp is allowed? Assuming its not excessive and assuming its not done to grief can someone finally have the courage to stand up and say whether it is allowed or not? I am sick of explaining my point in broadcast.
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In and of itself, Mob TPing is not a violation of the EULA. CuppaJo made a post on the US boards a while back that made this clear. I know that you are aware of this post.
That does not mean that Mob TPing cannot be used to violate the EULA.
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Or is the excuse well, it depends on the circumstances going to be used again?
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It's not an excuse, it's a fact.
Is sending someone a /tell a violation of the EULA? It depends on what the /tell says.
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If so, here are the circumsatnces. Villain enters zone. Hero enters zone. They both fly to hotspot. Villain tp's hero to the arachnos mob next to him. Villain holds hero with a web grenade. Arachnos hit hero until hero is dead!
Is that a breach of the EULA please?
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No.
It won't gain you any PvP Reputation/Meteor Fragments/Bounty/Launch Codes/Temporal Points, though, as the game won't consider it 'your' victory.
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If its not a breach of the EULA, then talking about it on here cannot be considered baiting.
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That depends on what the 'talking' involves.
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And no, I don't mob tp to get people to swear. If you think that is what I said, please read it again.
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My apologies if I misunderstood. You said, "If someone is abusive to me I just wait for them to swear and petition them. A mob tp may or may not hasten this process."
What exactly were you trying to say?
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You read it differently to me. I read it that the mob tp comes as a result of the abuse, not to provoke it. The mob tp would more than likely "hasten the process" of being sworn at, but generally such abusers tend to end up resorting to bad language anyway.
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You read it correctly. I don't mind a bit of banter, but certain things rub me up the wrong way and certain people I would rather not have in the pvp zones if they are going to continue to act in that way.
Its a war zone people - anything goes. We all have different ideas of what sirens is for, bounty, fair fights, SO's, winning the zone control and I accept that people have the right to do what they want to meet any of those ends. Me? I purpose is to kill the other side by any means possible. Whether its helping a fellow hero even if not teamed, mob tp'ing, drone tp'ing or just plainly killing them myself.
So if I respect the right of others to use the zone for what they want, why do I get gyp for using the zone for what I want? Its a pvp zone - anything that doesn't break the eula goes.
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Bridger,
As you have noted, I said a mob tp may or may not hasten this process. I haven't actually said that I do this myself.
I could have equally said that killing them in 'fair' combat may or may not hasten this process.
Know that I am aware of the cuppajo post? I was the one that showed you wasn't I?
Now 2 things.
1. Can we have an example of a mob tp'ing that would violate the EULA please? As getting an exact set of rules from you is like getting blood out of a stone.
Maybe we could continue with examples or maybe you can tell us the criteria that you use. How about a nice flow chart?
2. Can you put a big story on the front page about mob tp'ing and how it is not griefing? Would save me, the GM and the players I do it to A LOT of time.
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I've noticed it from a particular villain that is notorious for being rude and abusive, I haven't been in Siren's every night this week though so it might be some other people. One person being rude and abusive might cause other people to be rude and abusive back. Then people are annoyed and things just get worse.
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1. Can we have an example of a mob tp'ing that would violate the EULA please? As getting an exact set of rules from you is like getting blood out of a stone.
2. Can you put a big story on the front page about mob tp'ing and how it is not griefing? Would save me, the GM and the players I do it to A LOT of time.
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1. with the huge amount of variables that are possible in a MMORPG with humans in control, a set of hard and fast rules is not possible which is why the eula is worded in a vague and ambiguous way. It all comes down to the GMs own opinion and interpretation of the events.
2. It is certainly possible that mob tping can be and contribute to griefing, harrassment etc etc within the confines of a highly dynamic environment like COx, especially with large amounts of variables, circumstances and possibilities available.
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Can we have an example of a mob tp'ing that would violate the EULA please? As getting an exact set of rules from you is like getting blood out of a stone.
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I'd say as a general rule mob tp'ing is alright so long as you don't just use a hold and let the mob rip up the player.
You have to actively cause more than half the damage and preferably get the last hit in. That way you get the points and its your victory. Or you could just save yourself and everyone a load of grief and hassle and don't do it.
I really don't see the problem, or any boundaries or complex variables where mob tping is or isn't a violation of the EULA.
If you are in a PvP zone, and you tp someone into a mob or near a drone, that is not a vioaltion of the EULA. Granted, it might be seen as cowardly, not very sporting and a royal pain in the backend, but if you're overly concerned about those kinds of things, perhaps you should stick to PvE. From my understanding the only forms of griefing someone in a PvP zone, by definition, can never be combative.
If you are in PvE zone, and tp someone into a mob, then that IS surely griefing and thus petitionable.
Does it really need to be any more complicated than that?
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Bridger,
As you have noted, I said a mob tp may or may not hasten this process. I haven't actually said that I do this myself.
I could have equally said that killing them in 'fair' combat may or may not hasten this process.
Know that I am aware of the cuppajo post? I was the one that showed you wasn't I?
Now 2 things.
1. Can we have an example of a mob tp'ing that would violate the EULA please? As getting an exact set of rules from you is like getting blood out of a stone.
Maybe we could continue with examples or maybe you can tell us the criteria that you use. How about a nice flow chart?
2. Can you put a big story on the front page about mob tp'ing and how it is not griefing? Would save me, the GM and the players I do it to A LOT of time.
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Bridger said the "Action" TP'ing into a mob in it self is not a crime or against the rules.
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However if the person that is TP'ed into the mob sees this as Harrassment or abusive is it is then against the EULA.
So someone did it to a "friend" and they found it funny and choose not to petition your fine
If someone was to TP someone you didn't know or like. They can choose to petition.If they see it as Harrassment or abusive
Thats about the long and short of it
Lets just put it blunty who ever TP's into mobs has moral issues someone who is heartless and nasty does this he/she needs to sort them selfs out.
Any "fair" players knows its not right to inflict debt on another player.
PvP isnt about debt its just with PvP Zones its been dragged into question
I hope theres plans for the future for a PvP Zone without NPCs.
Yes personally I think a pvp zone without npcs or missions (unless you could in some way enter them to pvp inside) would be a great addition to the game.
Personally I don't mind being teleported into NPCs especially not if the other side is heavily outnumbered. But then following people around and teleporting the same person into big groups of NPCs over and over again just to cause harm and then bragging about it in the broadcast just to upset people would not be good sportsmanship in my eyes whether it's against the EULA or not.
How about if someone repeatedly tps u into a mob? Is that abuse or harassment?
I would say it is if they deliberately do it over and over and target you over and over.
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Disagree I'm afraid Knight Stalker, and I'll thank you not to label anyone who uses a valid PvP tactic as "someone who is heartless and nasty" you may not agree with it, but name calling doesn't help.
You can't make people conform to your own morale code, it's as simple as do a /petition if you don't like what's happening and let the GMs follow up.
Debt is part of the PvP zones and part of the risk you run for playing in the zone, if you don't like it then the Arena is there for you to use without any problems.
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How about if someone repeatedly tps u into a mob? Is that abuse or harassment?
I would say it is if they deliberately do it over and over and target you over and over.
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Doesnt matter if they do it once or twice If you consider it harrassment or abusive petition it.
Harrassment or abusive is against the EULA.
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you may not agree with it, but name calling doesn't help.
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Debting someone really doesnt help either
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you may not agree with it, but name calling doesn't help.
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Debting someone really doesnt help either
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But only one of the above is against the EULA.
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you may not agree with it, but name calling doesn't help.
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Debting someone really doesnt help either
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But only one of the above is against the EULA.
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Repeatedly causing debt on purpose is griefing, which is against the EULA.
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Debting someone really doesnt help either
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But only one of the above is against the EULA.
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Not true, if by debting someone feels they are being abused, harrassed or greifed then it is against the eula, have a read, its quite an ambigous document.
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Indeed, i think it's a very odd statement from Bridger.
Whilst I see that the company have to protect people from feel abused/griefed/harrassed I don't know how they judge levels of abuse. Can only assume it's on a case by case basis.
I could feel abused by a stalker using his boombox, does that mean if I petition him for being against the EULA any further action would be taken?
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Not to everyone it isn't. And the act of causing debt as an action isn't against the EULA, it's a tactic.
Using an insp is a tactic, it might cause someone grief does that mean it's against the EULA to use insps?
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Indeed, i think it's a very odd statement from Bridger.
Whilst I see that the company have to protect people from feel abused/griefed/harrassed I don't know how they judge levels of abuse. Can only assume it's on a case by case basis.
I could feel abused by a stalker using his boombox, does that mean if I petition him for being against the EULA any further action would be taken?
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by all means petition away, I would hate for your sensibilities to be offended by such an odious practice 
I am sure it will recive the attention it deserves and approriate action taken 
and yes all petitions will be done on a case by case basis, the game is too complex to have any form of generic 'benchmark'
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Reading all this discussion there is almost more PvP in here than in the average PvP zone
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Not to everyone it isn't. And the act of causing debt as an action isn't against the EULA, it's a tactic.
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Please explain how deliberately causing someone debt is a tactic? These are your words and Im all ears
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This thread is why I don't do PvP.
Couple of things grabbed my attention straight away. Firstly bobthedemon said "When someone is abusive to me I wait until they swear then I petition them". He didn't say, "I provoke people so that they swear at me, then I petition them".
Secondly, how is TPing into a mob in a PvP zone classed as griefing? Using mobs to attack other players in a PvE zone is an entirely different matter. You go into a PvP zone, you will get attacked. It's really as simple as that. Or are we going to get into that ridiculous "honour" argument again?
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I'm sorry, but that is not what Bob said, and nothing like how it was phrased.
Secondly, why wait until someone swears to petition them anyway? I, and I think most other people would consider the abusive behaviour more worthy of petition. Yet, for some reason you seem to think that it is only the swearing that warrants it.
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