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ouch. given how short a time the SF has been there and Union's record against hami, I forsee a time in the not too distant future when heroes will be complaining loudly and repeatedly about "overpowered" villains in PvP 
(of course, you could just farm hami-Os in the states then transfer over but nobody would do something like that 
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(I personally think some of their epic powers counterbalnce this but meh).
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aye, i have to say that the RSF is easier than him when you know what your doing. of course, with a bad team its similarly impossible ;p
our PPP's do suck compared to the 'crea,' APP's. they are as good as some, but always fall short of the good ones, like BM.
well, on my hero-account (based on US-servers) i already have close to 40-50 HOs on all my chars put togehter, as my PvP-char (stone/EM tank) has about 30 of them, making him somewhat impossible to defeat 
and transferring him wouldnt be that hard lol......
But sure there might be complaints, but so far, he RSF isnt that easy.. we did it in 3 hours last time, even with failed pulls, but it was mainly coz we had a team full of very experienced players (it wasnt the sets that caused the win imo) and skilled PvE-players are more likely to win it.. compared to Hami where skill isnt needed (and i did most of my raids with a tank, which is useless agasint hami) where all u really need is numbers (and of course a good raid leader), id say that RSF is alot harder in some ways, and Hami only takes 2 hours, where RSF can take up to 6-10 hours if team is having a bad day.. if RSF took 2 hours every time, i could run 3 every day easy
Also take into consideration that Heroes already got tons of HOs and already has their share of spec Hamidon-chars, as we have to catch up both in making RSF-toons, and in earning HOs.. seems pretty fair to me tbh, if we can make more efficient farms than heroes can. i made 6 RSF's so far, and still havent gotten waht i need (drewling on BJB's Acc/Mez)
eihter way, im always up for trading.. as many others Acc/Mez and dmg/Acc are thoose i want.. but ill return later when i have a more usefull list of HOs myself to trade with
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Also take into consideration that Heroes already got tons of HOs and already has their share of spec Hamidon-chars
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HO's on CoH Union are still VERY rare as Hamidon has only ever been taken down 3 times on here. There are one or two fully HO'd PvP toons out there who transferred over from the US servers but other than those, Bludd will probably already have more HO's than any other hero on Union.
Main reason is that while Xanthus runs Hami farming sessions on Defiant, Every successful raid on Union has had completely different leaders as most of them do it once think 'Woot, I've ran a Hami raid' then avoid it like a bad smell afterwards as it's just too much aggravation.
I'm pretty confident that I can have Exofrost running 10+ HO's within 8-10 weeks(and he desperately needs end reducs!) but my toons on CoH only have 3 HO's between them and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
The simple fact is that dedicated Players on CoV will be able to do this SF quite regularly, as Bludd has shown, while those on CoH can't as it requires a server wide effort.
Not that I really give a monkeys as heroes have too much of an edge in PvP as it is so maybe the fact it's easier for us to get HO's will even the field a bit.
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HO's on CoH Union are still VERY rare as Hamidon has only ever been taken down 3 times on here. There are one or two fully HO'd PvP toons out there who transferred over from the US servers but other than those, Bludd will probably already have more HO's than any other hero on Union.
Main reason is that while Xanthus runs Hami farming sessions on Defiant, Every successful raid on Union has had completely different leaders as most of them do it once think 'Woot, I've ran a Hami raid' then avoid it like a bad smell afterwards as it's just too much aggravation.
I'm pretty confident that I can have Exofrost running 10+ HO's within 8-10 weeks(and he desperately needs end reducs!) but my toons on CoH only have 3 HO's between them and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
The simple fact is that dedicated Players on CoV will be able to do this SF quite regularly, as Bludd has shown, while those on CoH can't as it requires a server wide effort.
Not that I really give a monkeys as heroes have too much of an edge in PvP as it is so maybe the fact it's easier for us to get HO's will even the field a bit.
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I agree with Kin here tbh. I reckon i'll be doing at least 3 runs a week, and as soon as my RSF toon is completed (currently 39 and a bit) it'll be even easier and i can even do more.
Success is pretty much guaranteed now with a decent team as we not only know how to pull, but we know the maps inside out, know the AV's inside out, even down to what skills they use.
i now have 5 hami-o's. Going again on thursday will make 6 i'm sure, and again at the weekend would make 7. Even if one of those runs fails, both wont, so i'll have made 6 hami-o's in about 4 and a half weeks. This rate will only get faster.
I do think its neccesary in a way though, as hero classes seem stronger in base and in teams, so this might level the field a bit
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I do think its neccesary in a way though, as hero classes seem stronger in base and in teams, so this might level the field a bit
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... and the first time somebody loses to your fully tricked out villain in PvP, they'll be moaning about it.
Human nature I'm afraid.
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Success is pretty much guaranteed now with a decent team as we not only know how to pull, but we know the maps inside out, know the AV's inside out, even down to what skills they use.
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How btw do you pull? what would you say is best team combo? our last try failed at the last mission when running out of nukes. vindicator mission went pretty well though. is there some more tricks, or is it still all about nukes?
we had a pretty good team though, but could not scratch them w/o nukes. we had 3 brutes, 1 stalker, 4 corruptors (2 kin, 1 /rad 1 /cold)
With that team i would have said success is pretty much certain ;p
as for pulling, it works up until they agro, then its no longer possible.
we pulled two singles on tuesday, Numina and Synapse. Not a great haul as 4 is doable.
I intend to run many more teams so will be doing a lot of pulling, and people who watch can learn =)
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With that team i would have said success is pretty much certain ;p
as for pulling, it works up until they agro, then its no longer possible.
we pulled two singles on tuesday, Numina and Synapse. Not a great haul as 4 is doable.
I intend to run many more teams so will be doing a lot of pulling, and people who watch can learn =)
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Well people wanted to go to bed rather than getting fresh nukes, so we quit when psyche and numina were down already. i still think a 4-nuked assault (killing 2-3) followed by the inevitable wipe is the most effective. even 8 brutes with nukes could be the most powerful. nukes do the buff/debuff job, brutes get the most damage out of it.
on our first try, we had 4 brutes in the team, and we managed to take down 5 of them at once (without av patch).
well its entirely up to you which approach you chose. but surely pulling is an enhancement of your approach, as with 2 dead, and THEN your nuke charge, success is more assured?
if u ask me, id say nukes arent even needed.. and tbh.. i dont know why we where so strong last time.. if u count the numbers and stats on the power we had (dark maisma, Thermal, FF) as only buffers/debuffers its impossible to achive that kind of play that we did.. but something tells me, its more than sets.. its the knowledge and skill on how to use ur insps, for one.. dont use more than u need, and keep em rolling (+def) from my extended time as a wolf-herder on CoH i learned to hear when i took too many hits and started using insps to reduce the accumelating stun-effect. my Dominator can take 3 mobs lvl +3s LB's solo and survive (where most squishies would fear 1), coz of experience in how to play the char, sets, insps, and aggro management. by moving a certain way u make baddies act/move a certain way, use preferred attacks and more.. (not saying im better than any1, alot of ppl can do this, but far from all) and im sure PvE-skills like this has a proven quatlity in RSF. I used better theoretical team-configs for RSF and got halted at vindicators, and the team we had was really weak in debuffs/buffs, and still we only used 3 nukes in total and 5 or 6 shivans. and completed the SF in under 3 hours.. tho, we where a bunh of very experienced players, and most of us done RSF several times, even a few together, enabling us to know and be familiar with eachothers tactics, movement and game-type/skill, and that has proven to me several times in CoX to be very important for team-performance.
i would reccomend more SG-RSF-teams where ppl actually dont use their main, but the best char for the deal.. and dont give up.. its from the misstakes we do, we learn.. i made RSF 6 times and only won 2, but its mostly coz i like to test things, and some of the team-configs has been very bad (obviously lol) but i feel its important to learn at what minimum capacity one need to achive to win, so one can keep as many spots possible open on the RSF-teams for random ppl, and still be able to win. (one thing i learned is u need not more than 6 key-Sets to win, and thats 2 open spots for gimped toons perhaps it can be done with only 5 or less, and that would be good, eabling even thoose that took an MM or stalker as main to get the badges and join the HO farms
well, completely off topic bty now, but thats my analysis of it all so far
Dam/Range SHOE up for trade, preferably for something that could be used by a melee char
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HO's on CoH Union are still VERY rare as Hamidon has only ever been taken down 3 times on here. There are one or two fully HO'd PvP toons out there who transferred over from the US servers but other than those, Bludd will probably already have more HO's than any other hero on Union.
Main reason is that while Xanthus runs Hami farming sessions on Defiant...
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Tons??? There have been 8 succesful raids on Defiant since launch...thats hardly tons.
Xanthus has lead 3 raids succesfully before i7 and 1 failed after i7 over a course of 4 months.....hardly farming 
Personally I've got 5 Hami-Os which I have accumulated over the last 17 months...Bludd has gotten 5 in 2 months...anyone but me see a small imbalance here?
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Personally I've got 5 Hami-Os which I have accumulated over the last 17 months...Bludd has gotten 5 in 2 months...anyone but me see a small imbalance here?
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Yep, time to nerf BJB.
Seriously, I'd be very surprised if we weren't to see a similar end-game SF for CoH in either I8 or I9.
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Personally I've got 5 Hami-Os which I have accumulated over the last 17 months...Bludd has gotten 5 in 2 months...anyone but me see a small imbalance here?
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On the other hand, each successful Hami raid dumps rather large numbers on HOs into the population, whereas a successful Recluse SF creates a total of eight.
I don't see it as any sort of massive imbalance, really. And I say that as someone who actually plays more heroes than villains, and has exactly zero HOs on CoH. What I'd really like to see is something similar to the Recluse SF put into CoH alongside, or as a replacement to, Hami. The huge raids don't seem particularly fun, or even really challenging from everything I've been told. The Recluse SF is both, and I'd just like something along those lines to do with my high-level heroes. I think I'd level more up, then.
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Yep, time to nerf BJB.
Seriously, I'd be very surprised if we weren't to see a similar end-game SF for CoH in either I8 or I9.
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no nerfing me ;p
and i've bhad to work damn hard for the HO's ;p
if more people on hero side took it upon themselves to organise stuff i'm sure there'd be more HO's there too =)
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Yep, time to nerf BJB.
Seriously, I'd be very surprised if we weren't to see a similar end-game SF for CoH in either I8 or I9.
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no nerfing me ;p
and i've bhad to work damn hard for the HO's ;p
if more people on hero side took it upon themselves to organise stuff i'm sure there'd be more HO's there too =)
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Funny how finding 100+ Heroes, getting them to commit to about 1-4 hours of play time and get them to do EXACTLY as we say isn't that easy.
Not like getting together an 8man team or anything.
Hmm - I think I'd still say that for the vast majority of people taking part in a hami raid (and yes I exclude the leader here) its a doddle. Get in and spam holds/heals/taunts as fast as the horrible lag will let you.
RSF on the other hand requires EVERY person on the team to be playing at thier very best, utilising every trick they have.
All respect to Hami Raid organisers though - tough job.
ok after run seven i have some more commodities available
Heal and end reduction
dam and range
damage resist and end red
def debuff hit debuff recharge
def debuff, hit debuff, accuracy
this 5 are my trades, strangely enough i slotted my two dam/accs ;p
hehe and another glorious win. hamo-o stock has changed. lose the damres/end cost and replace it with another def buff red/acc buff red/ acc
Indeed, Dr., I think all of us have had alot of experience in this game, and playing our characters is like second nature. And I'm sure Two Fist had a great deal in helping all this, the firepower combined with the debuffs and buffs kind of helped finishing em off.
Okay I have a +Acc buff -Def Buff and ACC+ HO up for swaps, who has what HOs for a potential trade =)
i am also adding another lyso to my swapsies pile ;p
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Im pretty sure that should be: tohit debuff, def debuff, increased acc, m8.. just wanted to point that out [img]/uk/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
(lysosome: tohit and defense debuff, increased accuracy)
Since people are starting to accumulate hami-o's now and i forsee the rate increasing as teams get better at this i'd reckon we'll need to start trading our precious cargo.
I currently have
Acc Buf/Def Buff/End Cost
Mez and Acc
Heal and End Cost
Dam and Range
available, and aren't too keen on most of em ;p
Would like to recieve Dam/Acc's, but we'll see ;p
anyone else fancy trading HO's ?