In PvP Granite cannot be detoggled by "toggle-drop attacks".
But stack enough stun magnitude and it will drop - but dropping Granite + Rooted needs a lot of stuns (or a dead /DA-Brute 
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In short, no. Typically, it takes a LARGE amount of mez to detoggle Granite. A Dominator with Domination up will manage it in a few holds, it'll take a Controller a bit longer (or so i hear, i've never actually seen it happen).
I'm not sure if issue 7 altered Poison Gas Trap in the Traps powerset, but it used to be that if you were caught in that (despite its small radius) it could detoggle you instantly.
Outside of those things, anything that can drain your endurance significantly like Kinetics, maaaybe a group of Longbow Spec Ops, Sappers etc will work just fine too, although Rooted will protect you to an extent.
posion gas toggle drops are a thing of the past
granite has mag 12 hold resistance so more than 4 holds are needed or more than 2 with domination/powerboost
And then you need to factor in rooted....
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Given a bit of time a Dominator can overcome granite and rooted to hold the target. In theory you could stun someone through granite but its much harder to stack stuns than holds.
Endurance drain will drop granite but Rooted has extremely high End drain resistance - Malta sappers do zilch through rooted. Of course in PvP you could toggle drop rooted and then end drain to drop granite.
According to Prima rooted is 10.38 and granite is 17.3 mez resist strength.
So...a ST hold with domination is 5.96
Which means...2 holds for rooted, 3 holds for granite and a mathematically extraordinary 5 holds for rooted PLUS granite.
....I'm sorry.....why is this in Stalkers?....
They were hoping to toggle drop a granite with EM stalkers? 
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Errm ... 
Because I was stunned when i posted?
I planned to post in Tanker but Im happy to see that Stalker readers know so much about Granite.
Thanks for all the great information. I can now tank in peace knowing my Granite stays on
- Kid Cash
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According to Prima rooted is 10.38 and granite is 17.3 mez resist strength.
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That are the numbers for Brutes,Tankers are 12.975 and 21.625.
And 1 more for inherent protection.
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So...a ST hold with domination is 5.96
Which means...2 holds for rooted, 3 holds for granite and a mathematically extraordinary 5 holds for rooted PLUS granite.
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Prima accidentally added AT-modifiers to hold strength instead of duration for a lot of powers.
Dominator ST-holds are MAG 4 in PvP,with Domination up it's MAG 8.
All numbers for level 50.
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Prima accidentally added AT-modifiers to hold strength instead of duration for a lot of powers.
Dominator ST-holds are MAG 4 in PvP,with Domination up it's MAG 8.
All numbers for level 50.
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and if you run into someone who has managed to stack domination - expect to be standing very still very fast.
Mind of Gaia lvl 50 Defiant's first Mind/Storm 'troller.
Deadly Doc 50 Dark/Dark Corr
and lots more on Pinnacle,Union and Defiant
Yes malta sappers do do stuff to rooted, I know because of the Lost mapserver ins and outs messing me around over the weekend, they seemed to still be throwing out attacks whilst I wasn't. Rooted has a high end drain res, but given enough time Sappers will still thwonk you.
Stun: an MA/DA could probably handle rooted, nothing else. Same with EM/DA.
Hold: 5 holds with domination to take the tanker down. After that, he's all yours. And with hasten, 5 hold stacking could be done without much difficulty.
Of course, Soul Transfer instantly stuns everything but Hamidon, so 1 suicidal DA brute and 2 stalkers would equal a very, very dead tanker.
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Stun: an MA/DA could probably handle rooted, nothing else. Same with EM/DA.
Hold: 5 holds with domination to take the tanker down. After that, he's all yours. And with hasten, 5 hold stacking could be done without much difficulty.
Of course, Soul Transfer instantly stuns everything but Hamidon, so 1 suicidal DA brute and 2 stalkers would equal a very, very dead tanker.
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You only need 3 domination holds to drop granite or unstoppable on their own.
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According to Prima rooted is 10.38 and granite is 17.3 mez resist strength.
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That are the numbers for Brutes,Tankers are 12.975 and 21.625.
And 1 more for inherent protection.
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So...a ST hold with domination is 5.96
Which means...2 holds for rooted, 3 holds for granite and a mathematically extraordinary 5 holds for rooted PLUS granite.
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Prima accidentally added AT-modifiers to hold strength instead of duration for a lot of powers.
Dominator ST-holds are MAG 4 in PvP,with Domination up it's MAG 8.
All numbers for level 50.
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Where is your info from UW ?
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Yes malta sappers do do stuff to rooted, I know because of the Lost mapserver ins and outs messing me around over the weekend, they seemed to still be throwing out attacks whilst I wasn't. Rooted has a high end drain res, but given enough time Sappers will still thwonk you.
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I've had 5 sappers shooting at me for quite a while with no drain at all, unless rooted has had its End Resist reduced since then.
Iirc, Domination only gave a 50% boost to mag? With a crit-chance of getting double? Was looking for that post where a red explained it, but cant find it.
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Iirc, Domination only gave a 50% boost to mag? With a crit-chance of getting double? Was looking for that post where a red explained it, but cant find it.
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My understanding was that domination doubles duration and magnitude (although the Prima PDF doesn't confirm this), dominators don't critical.
Granite can not be dropped in PvP by Toggle drops, but if you get enough Energy melee-ers and dominators (only a few with domination) and it'll be down before you can say
"NO WAIT I WASN'T READY HACKER HACKER! CHEATER! I WAS AFK ZOMG!!!! NOOB!!!!!!!"
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Where is your info from UW ?
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iakona's handy little charts (v2.0):
click
The missing formula for mezprotection is:
power scale * (AT mod) * [ResBool]
power scale for rooted is -30,for granite -50.
Inherent mezprotection for everyone is -1.
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My understanding was that domination doubles duration and magnitude (although the Prima PDF doesn't confirm this), dominators don't critical.
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Prima does confirm it (not double duration,but double magnitude) - with Domination you have the normal holdeffect and and additional holdeffect with +50% duration.
It's written a little confusing.
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Iirc, Domination only gave a 50% boost to mag? With a crit-chance of getting double? Was looking for that post where a red explained it, but cant find it.
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Like others said, domination doubles magnitude and doms dont get the criticals.
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You only need 3 domination holds to drop granite or unstoppable on their own.
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You cannot drop unstoppable but you can hold thru it. Unstop still stays on as its a clicky power.
Can stun detoggle Granite Armor like it can to Rock Armor?
- Kid Cash