GGOOC Global Channel Moderator Nominations
By
Arctic_Princess,
Posted on: 2006-07-08 13:39 in Roleplaying
Hmmm where to begin.
1.) Personally I feel that should someone ask for public nominations, it is not ethical for those running the election to comment on specific nominations. It does not instill confidence in a fair procedure...
2.) As someone whose been a moderator within various channels and on various boards over the years, I have to disagree.
The forum community can now see who are the moderators of the GGOOC channel, as it has been posted on this forum. Therefore it is inevitable that those appointed will be considered by the board to be representative of the GG community. Therefore it is imperative that they undertake to act as ambassadors for the community etc.
I'm frankly disappointed once again by your responses FFM to people's posts. As someone who considers themselves core to the RP community, you certainly do very well at trying to create divides which those who dismiss roleplaying and the meetings at GG will undoubtedly will be enjoying immensly.
A round of applause, old chap
Prize, I won't get into an argument over it, but please see Coile's post above yours as he says it perfectly. I will just state facts.
GGOOC is a global chat channel created to take the OOC away from the Roleplay. It was created by players, not devs, so WE set the rules. If you don't like how it's setup to run, and IMO it's the only way such a channel CAN be run, then you're free to setup your own, with your own rules.
As far as GGOOC is concerned, it's remit will NOT change. The mods are free to say what they want, how they want, where they want; as long as it's in the rules of the channel. All they have to do in GGOOC is stop fights flaring up and ask people to keep the bad language down, silencing or removing anyone who can't follow those two simple rules. Anything else is off topic for the channel, as it should be.
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1.) Personally I feel that should someone ask for public nominations, it is not ethical for those running the election to comment on specific nominations. It does not instill confidence in a fair procedure...
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All nominations are pubic, as will the votes be. Anyone can tally them up. Your statement is extremely uncalled for.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
You do seem to be getting hot under the collar by my suggestion FFM, I feel there is something more behind this, but I guess only time will tell.
It is a shame that you were unable to sit back and reflect upon my suggestion rather than dismissing it straight away.
Again I can only reiterate that it was a suggestion which I feel is best for the overall community as a whole.
But I don't wish to pollute this thread, which is for an important purpose. All I can say that whether I'm elected or not I will leave it up to the conscience of those elected to do what is right for the community and to portray us in a positive light.
Ok, can people stop behaving like children and treating this like a popularity contest?
Either GGOOC has nothing to do with GG other than as a useful service provided to members, in which case it doesn't matter who the mods are so long as they're there and visible, or it's integral to GG, at which point the mods do matter.
If people are going to opt for the second then I'd like to request that the mods be representative of the membership, with one for each supergroup attending the statue and one "neutral" responsible for new members and holding the casting vote.
We can have one or the other, right now we've got the first and it seems to work, precisely because the mods don't visibly exercise power except to stop abuse.
I will also note that under the second system either FFM or Ghost would have to step down, and any other Cirque member would be prevented from moderating.
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If people are going to opt for the second then I'd like to request that the mods be representative of the membership, with one for each supergroup attending the statue and one "neutral" responsible for new members and holding the casting vote.
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Personally, I really wouldn't like this sort of thing. Sure, the Supergroups will have an easier time picking a candidate, but for all those unaligned, or like myself, in a one-man Supergroup, I don't think they'd want one singular person they may not even affiliate with to be in charge of a 'casting vote'
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It is a shame that you were unable to sit back and reflect upon my suggestion rather than dismissing it straight away.
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You are free to think what you wish, however that doesn't mean that we've not given this thought before. Such things were considered when the channel was first created. To assume we'd just dismissed it out of hand is rather presumptious, and wholly incorrect.
As Coile said, you are mixing GG and GGOOC up. One is NOT the other, never was and never will be. It's just an OOC chat channel that we try to keep family friendly.
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All I can say that whether I'm elected or not I will leave it up to the conscience of those elected to do what is right for the community and to portray us in a positive light.
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Individual mods can choose to act in that way if they so wish, but it is off topic for the channel, and they do so purely as an individual. The point of GGOOC is NOT to portray the GG community in ANY light at all. It ONLY exists to reduce the amount of OOC chat spam in the RP area.
I'm actually surprised at your interest in serving. You've been asked before if you'd be interested, and declined at the time.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Personally, I favour independant moderation, but so many people are crying out for "structure" or "order" that I thought it best someone put it down on paper what this would mean.
I've always felt GGOOC was far more somewhere to discuss the football, or what RP games you like, or how your job is going than somewhere to discuss rules mechanics or the OOC running of the statue.
Maybe I got the wrong end of the stick? 
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I've always felt GGOOC was far more somewhere to discuss the football, or what RP games you like, or how your job is going than somewhere to discuss rules mechanics or the OOC running of the statue.
Maybe I got the wrong end of the stick?
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No, you didn't, you got it spot on. It's for Out Of Character conversation, for pretty much any topic anyone wants to voice... It has NOTHING to do with the roleplay at GG except to reduce the amount of OOC chatter in local, which can disrupt peoples roleplay. And I'm determined it should stay that way, it's the only way, as far as I'm concerned, that it can work.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
My votes so far (as an occassional, ex-regular GGer)
<ul type="square">[*]Max - thoroughly awesome guy with the ability to stay neutral when he wants to stay neutral 
[*]Prize - He's a poker player, he knows how to bluff and deceive everyone into resolving their arguments (and voting for him). Another great guy.[*]Red - I don't really know Red Commissar, but from all accounts he had been portrayed as a great person and community member, so I'll happily stand by him.[/list]
To clarify:
1) I'm not sure anywhere where I've personally indicated my intentions of serving.
2) Ringmaster, Brighteyes and Captain Cliche nominated myself. I nominated Red Commissar and Leif Roar
3) ShadowGhost did offer me the position upon my return, which I declined. However, since then I've started to roleplay significantly more than envisaged due to the diverse and interesting nature of the RP on offer. I was concerned that I would find it difficult due to the abscence of core players who formed GG. This has not been the case at all.
4) This thread called for nominations, and yet one of the organisers of the thread felt fit to specifically comment on my nomination. No other player has had the disrespect to try to influence against someone being nominated. What was a positive thread by this one action has become negative?
5) You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about my return, a shame, but it's a bit like GGOOC rules.... TOUGH!
EDITED for typos and adding Captain Cliche's nomination
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4) This thread called for nominations, and yet one of the organisers of the thread felt fit to specifically comment on my nomination. No other player has had the disrespect to try to influence against someone being nominated. What was a positive thread but this one action has become negative?
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Attempting to influence? Not at all. You've been nominated, so it stands. If I had a problem with you being nominated, then I wouldn't list your name when we open the vote thread. Your name will be on it, along with everyone else who's been nominated. Like I said, it will be the community decision. I merely expressed surprise that you now seemed interesting having not done so before.
As for a bee in my bonnet. The only bee I have is over the remit of GGOOC. We will NOT change it from what it is currently. Such is not open to discussion and any new MODS will be expected to realise that and abide by it.
The channel mods only job will be to keep the chat channel friendly. If people want a roleplay community thread that does cover the grounds you've raised, please start one. I, however, do not feel it right that one set of roleplayers have any authority over another set at the statue, nor should we have one group representinge everyone. There was an incident a while ago where we DID actually try something along those lines... It was a massive mistake and caused lots of problems for those involved and the channel mods. I do not want a repeat of such an incident.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
FFM as you're rightly know I have not once indicated that anyone is in charge of anything else. What I clearly said is that publicly identfied mods should attempt to avoid bringing the community into disrepute. I'm sorry but the GGOOC is a community resource directly linked to the GG meets. For the outside world crossover between the two is inevitable.
I'd also point out that my comment rather influencing nominations, ties into your much earlier post directly after Brighteyes nomination.
Whether I have an interest or not in accepting my nomination, the fact you specifically commented (in my view) negatively is the reason why I am concerned regarding your stance regarding this process, and myself.
If others feel am I interpreting your actions incorrectly, then I will of course apologise, as this has always been my nature.
Those who know me, are aware that I will defend and promote the GG philosphy and community to the hilt.
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- GGOOC. That's a chat channel created, moderated and operated by a select few. They (in this case ShadowGhost) created it and they do set the rules. Any rule, for any reason. It is a service that is provided for others. As regular channel users the rest of us can express our opinions but we hold no power whatsoever. And neither will we, unless the channel is set to public domain or mods otherwise allow people to have a role in governing the channel. Which is now taking place. GGOOC is not a democratic thing and the mods don't have to use nominations or some such. In that regard it is like it or sod off. Anyone who doesn't like the current system is free to set up a new channel for the same purpose and with different rules, if they like. I'm not saying that anyone should, just that that is the only way to affect the things as they are now. Personally I'm fine with GGOOC. It doesn't matter to me much who's moderating it. For me the current system works. Someone did the work, someone calls the shots. I'm along for the ride.
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I think Coile nailed it just fine. Personally I see no reason for mods in the channel, you have a problem with someone ask them nicely to tone it down, if they don't put them on ignore. Problem solved. Same thing goes with GG I guess. If there is found to be a need for mods I'll support the people that I have actually seen helping the community.
Shadowplay - Scrapper DM/DA SL 50
Doctor Storm- Brute SS/Elec SL 50
"speed boosts someone in the face" - Cognito
And in the interest of overview:
The nominations so far are: (added valid nomination reasons provided in this thread)
<ul type="square"> [*]Red Commissar - A steady, regular player; often there to greet new people. Vocal and not too rash - he's been nothing but polite and helpful to absolutely everyone, i've never seen an ill word from him
[*]Molok - A steady player who's always been pretty fair and reliable as far as I've seen
[*]Dark Rose. - Mature player, knows where lines are/should be drawn, on till late, not afraid to speak his mind - Often the last at the GG, A very nice guy, who most players get on well with. He has his head on his shoulders but will take no [censored].
[*]Max - the ability to stay neutral when he wants to stay neutral
[*]Prize - Not on as much as we/he would like but always there for new players and happy to answer questions. - He's a poker player, he knows how to bluff and deceive everyone into resolving their arguments
[*]Inago - often the first memeber of the GGOOC to wake up. spends most days online and knows almost all the ggooc to talk to.
[*]Leif Roar -[/list]
If anyone would like to add reasons (particularly for Leif Roar), please do so with the following guidelines:
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Please consider the following when making nominations:
<ul type="square"> [*]Availability - They MUST be regulars on GGOOC [*]Fairness - They need to be able to NOT take sides in any issue [*]Personality - Being helpfull and friendly is a must[/list]
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@ShadowGhost & @Ghostie
The Grav Mistress, Mistress of Gravity
If you have nothing useful to say, you have two choices: Say something useless or stay quiet.
Umm, all FFM said was that your position as founder, one which does admittedly put you in high regard amongst the roleplayers, shouldn't entitle you to special considerations such as automatic Mod status.
This counts double because of your long absence. I can only remember you very briefly from your first comeback, and I'm one of the longest running survivors (and that's scary)
Is asking people not to put you on a pedestal and judge your worthiness to be a mod by the same criteria as everyone else a negative comment?
Possibly I read more into your suggestion than you intended. If so, then I'm sorry if I've been somewhat short.
Please know that I don't feel ANY kind of animosity to you in any way at all. Sometimes I can come across a bit off, especially as I have outside pressures on me, but that's no excuse so please, accept my sincere apologies if you feel I've offended you.
However, I stand by the purpose of GGOOC. It's nothing to do directly with the roleplay at GG, it's just a chat channel that we want to keep family friendly.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Is asking people not to put you on a pedestal and judge your worthiness to be a mod by the same criteria as everyone else a negative comment?
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Yes it is. While I agree with the sentiment (the Reason Prize is getting my vote is because I know him and how much he cares about the community) singling out someone and mentioning that their perceived popularity is for the wrong reasons is a negative comment and could very well be considered an attack.
What FFM should have done if he was so concerned about peoples perceptions during the vote is politely ask Prize to raise the point himself.
Prize on the other hand is wrong because he bit, it's not important, consider FFM a tosser and get on with it (I'm not saying that FFM is a tosser, just advocating a healthy attitude towards the problem).
On Leif Roar, he was nominated because he has shown unparalleled level headedness and impartiality, not to mention a good dose of humour. When I say unparalleled I really cant stress that enough. His main disadvantage is that he will not accept the position in all likelihood.
Shadowplay - Scrapper DM/DA SL 50
Doctor Storm- Brute SS/Elec SL 50
"speed boosts someone in the face" - Cognito
Hikari-Hime, I felt as the thread only asked for positive nominations that is how the thread should have stayed.
My position as Founder should not count towards automatic moderator status, and to my knowledge no-one has ever suggested as such.
Yes I was absent for a long time, partially due to WoW for a time, and then for personal reasons which I'm not publicising on the board.
FFM - We will have to agree to differ upon the roles of moderators. And apology accepted. Let's return to the positive aspect of this thread.
My reasons for nominating Leif Roar is:
An articulate individual who has always supported the RP community in CoH. In the early days of the community he successfully helped diffuse a full scale war of words between two RP SG's.... and he's a nice guy!
Prize? FFM? Break it up, you two. Take it to PMs
Prize:
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What was a positive thread by this one action has become negative?
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I have to mention, it takes 2 to tango.
Brighteyes:
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Personally I see no reason for mods in the channel, you have a problem with someone ask them nicely to tone it down, if they don't put them on ignore. Problem solved
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Luckily, this is usually the case. How ever, in the past we have cleaned up messes that were disrupting people's fun.
At such rare instances, it's nice to have policemen nearby to contain a situation.
FFM:
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I stand by the purpose of GGOOC. It's nothing to do directly with the roleplay at GG, it's just a chat channel that we want to keep family friendly
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Indeed, GGOOC was originally created purely for GG, it's now something that has grown into it's own being (I like to think so, any way)
@ShadowGhost & @Ghostie
The Grav Mistress, Mistress of Gravity
If you have nothing useful to say, you have two choices: Say something useless or stay quiet.
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Prize? FFM? Break it up, you two. Take it to PMs
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Yes dad, sorry dad, we've made peace now dad... I think! 
So.. People.. many more nominations?
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Prize - quoting from you origional nomination on the GG thread in union.
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Ringmaster
Prize.. Not on as much as we/he would like but always there for new players and happy to answer questions. Plus lets face it.. it is Prize's bat and ball we play with every night.
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I'd say that's a pretty big indication that your founder status was being taken into account.
Brighteyes may not have intended the impression given, but his was.
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Brighteyes
Prize especially deserves that position,
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Especially deserves? Why? To me that implies some indication that you deserve special consideration, especially without elaboration.
So I'd say FFM may not have had the most diplomatic phrasing, but the intent was in the right place and necessary. You are on a pedestal, for better or for worse, I just hope that you can live up to the ideal we all have of you.
Prize takes bat to pedestal, batters into tiny pieces
I agree with Hikari regarding the wording of the nominations, but also agree with Brighteyes that it could have been handled better.
But the hatchet has been buried, so I'd like to politely request that the subject moves back to the topic of the thread.
I know he's going to kill me, but I'd like to nominate Gideon.
Continual lurker, with a good sense of decency, and quiet enough to stay neutral in pretty much any arguement.
Would be nice to hear from nominated people what they themselves think of being nominated, or doing the job.
The reason I'm asking for this is that I've burned myself out in a few occasions while doing a voluntary job that lost the fun but kept the work. It's easy to go on for a long time telling to oneself that the job needs doing and the responsibility should be fulfilled. Do the nominated people want the job?
All's fine if you do, but if you have doubts, be sure to voice them. No one else knows what you people think. If a job takes more than it gives, it's not worth doing. It'll eat your fun away.
And it makes other people feel better about pestering you later if they know that you've after consideration volunteered. 
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Now, if I want to sound harsh, I could answer RM's question of
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Who died and made you god?
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with:
<ul type="square">[*]No one, I already was.[*]GGOOC is the creative product of several people. The current MODs are part of that group, and there for have 'ownership rights'[*]If you don't like it, bugger off[/list]But since I'm not fond of sounding hars, I'll say this instead:
<ul type="square">[*]GGOOC is for and especially by the people. Let the MODs reflect that.[/list]
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This is put rather bluntly, but truthfully. I think there is a chance that people confuse two things:
- GG. That's a freeform RP meeting spot / time / system / place that no one owns. It's what people make of it. No one is in charge.
- GGOOC. That's a chat channel created, moderated and operated by a select few. They (in this case ShadowGhost) created it and they do set the rules. Any rule, for any reason. It is a service that is provided for others. As regular channel users the rest of us can express our opinions but we hold no power whatsoever. And neither will we, unless the channel is set to public domain or mods otherwise allow people to have a role in governing the channel. Which is now taking place. GGOOC is not a democratic thing and the mods don't have to use nominations or some such. In that regard it is like it or sod off. Anyone who doesn't like the current system is free to set up a new channel for the same purpose and with different rules, if they like. I'm not saying that anyone should, just that that is the only way to affect the things as they are now. Personally I'm fine with GGOOC. It doesn't matter to me much who's moderating it. For me the current system works. Someone did the work, someone calls the shots. I'm along for the ride.
To summarize: GG is public domain and owned by none. The same does not apply to GGOOC. They are two very separate things.