the damage is higher then spines...
As a whole, Martial Arts is similiar to the Broadsword Scrapper primary, in that its main attacks have a high Brawl Index (BS has a slightly higher BI on most things iirc), but it also has a very effective + damaging Knockback power (in the form of Crane Kick) and stuns in the form of Cobra Strike + Ealges Claw. The brawl index of an unslotted Martial Artist is noticably higher than that of an unslotted Spiney.
This, combined with the fact that there are never any draw times on the count of the use of the hero/villain's bare hands, makes this an effective power set to use, especially in conjunction with powers that would normally make you need to redraw your weapon (powers like Aid Self, Air Superiority, etc).
MA ftw 
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so the builder was wrong when telling me that impale and eviscerate were higher damage than hum.. bah crane kick as MA lack another high level attaque available in siren.
how am i supposed to deal with that missing attaque? i currently have thunder/crippling axe kick and assassin blow
at siren i will only have 3 attack to scrappe it out ? is it enough?
is cobra strike a must have or can i skip it? i already played a energy stalker, true that stun was usefull but did'nt worth an attaque cause of the no damageness of it : /
o_O ma almost as tough as bs in scrappers????
We could argue about secondary effects ma has, all the advantages kb and mainly stun have, the recharge and end required for ma is much lower than in bs too, or how annoying it can be having to redraw your sword... but honestly, saying that ma deals 'slightly' less damage than bs is, at least, arguably...
I wouldn't know in stalkers, as i have never played an ma one, but in scrappers, a critic BU+Headsplitter one-shots my troller; a critic BU+ Eagle's claw followed by Crain Kick won't faceplant me.
Each type has it's own advantages, but in pure simple damage, BS is not only 'a little' stronger than MA
well 7...it does..seeing as I have played both an MA and a B.S to the Low/Mid 30's..well...MA comes pretty close...altho it has to be said that eagles claw can't compare with headsplitter 
Nor the second highest dmg attack in ma (think it's crane kick IIRC) can compare to disembowel, so... 
, i must be losing something. Plus in a scrapper you can slot both 1 acc 3 dmg 2 rech for pve and pvp, provided that u pick focused accuracy, so u can have a nice chain with 2-3 powers
are we in the stalker channel? ^^'
MA can triple crit cant it?
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Don't forget MA would count as a smashing only damage power set, and many opponents, both PvE and PvP have resistance to this kind of damage.
Martial Arts is one of the best Stalker primaries next to Energy Melee.
Anyone that says martial arts is gimp or weak is an idiot.
Martial arts has a better build up, better accuracy, soft control. All of the attacks critical from hide. It also hits bloody hard, it just does less damage out of hide in comparison to Energy Melee, so you have to be more "Stalkery"
AS>placate>eagles claw does higher damage than AS then energy transfer.
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Normal Build up gives an 80% damage boost, focus chi gives a 100% damage boost.
Just a silly mistake in Hero builder. All build ups are the same. (its 80% for stalkers Iirc). Focus Chi is actually worse than any other BU since its animation is longer.
Yes, every other set (except spines (and thats PvP only) is weak compared to energy melee.
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Focus Chi animation is 1.17 sec. - like most other Build Ups.
Only Spines (Scrapper + Stalker) and Claws (Stalker) Build Up is shorter (0.73sec.)
Now this is getting interesting 
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Having tested MA BU it seems correct that it's 80% dmg boost. Some think that best set for a stalker is spines for its range -fly. Others say EM for its dmg stuns. MA would be quite like EM IMO, but dealing less dmg yet demanding less endurance
but MA have less attack than spines and claw it make the effectiveness comming later.. so is it a set for high level PvP only? even in PvE after the as i have only too low level attack to follow up 'till level 26 (cobra strike can disorient one for a moment but with only 2 attack that can scrappe it only give a delay to the problem)
so exepet the basic hit and run 'till level 26 ....
Many MA grab Air Superiority (sp?) for their low-midlevel attack chain.
Better damage than Thunder Kick,knockdown and -fly .
Just tested a level 40 martial arts/ninjitsu stalker in recluses event, and i must say martial arts is far from weak, I two shot squsihes with BU eagles claw>placate> crane kick. I hardly even need to rely on assassin strike with that combination. With scrappers (without DP) i usually need to chain another attack in to take off that last slither of health, however with hasten I can even chain another eagles claw. But seriously I hardly find martial arts weak, its really fantastic, I find myself doing a lot better than all the spine stalkers out there, and just as well as the energy melee stalkers. I just need to be in hide more often to pull of the crits.
I dont think MA is a weak set at all, but it all comes to compare the other sets. In RV test server thingie, i also 2shot squishies with hide+reaper placate impale (with the advantage that the second hit is ranged). In fact, and i know im against the majority here, but imo spines is all in all the best primary for pvp stalkers.
must admit that i played a MA/NIN too duringthe event and yes it not as weak as i though. just i am very amazed to see how difficult it is to hit trough elude even with BU 3acc and 3 acc in each power. i wonder how can do otherset that don't have the acc bonus inherent to MA.
but for the AS i saw really low number, i know that contandant damage are heavily resisted but still.. my as was quit the same damage as a rava crit (which usually was at 480 x 2 even when i was on retsu : / )
the only think i founded hard was to finish a foe that was running, in that maybe spine is more efficient.
The main problem with martial arts,katana,spines and claws is at 50, everything in the game has resisitance to s/l damage. Martial arts can get away with it stun to knock off shields. But this is really where energy melee shines with its damage type.
Spines stalker teams are the best, if yo just spike the same target with impale. Xanth and Archy were doing that while i was running about with my MA. But I wouldn't say spines is the best, yes it does have range but it doesn't have enough impact damage, a percentage of the total damage is DoT.
Imo the resists dont matter as much if we stalk properly, as afaik crits and most of AS are unresistable damage no matter what the powerset. Its different if somebody wants to scrap..
I played MA on test server event and it definitely wasnt weak. I still prefer claws because of ranged attack and knockdown. I dont want to use spines because everybody else does, and villain claws are much cooler 
And of course claws are faster..
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must admit that i played a MA/NIN too duringthe event and yes it not as weak as i though. just i am very amazed to see how difficult it is to hit trough elude even with BU 3acc and 3 acc in each power. i wonder how can do otherset that don't have the acc bonus inherent to MA.
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I wouldn't try to hit thru elude, I just follow them until their end bars drop, watch them try to jump away like gimped rabbits and come to collect the easy win . - well at least in theory, heh
i looked in several forum both scrapper and stalker says that MA is the boss killer (if we take energy out).
but after having take a look at a builder (maybe not a good one i don't know) it seems that MA damage are weaker than for exemple spines's one.
i heard that damage were good : /
maybe the popularity is due to thekind of sorf control that represent MA secondary effects but, stun, or knockback is quite well resisted in pvp.
what is the strengh of MA?