Thoughts on Fire/Ice?
Would realy advice against chilling embrace as its an agroe magnet.
Not very experienced with the fire primary so I'll leave that one for now. From the ice secondary you really should take:
Ice sword (decent attack and a toggle dropper in PvP)
Buildup
Ice patch
Shiver (great slow)
Freezing Touch
IMHO, the only time you should consider chilling embrace is when you PvP alot, then it's a great protection agains't stalkers. In PvE it's not so useful (especially when you have shiver) and gets you alot of aggro. If you want to keep your enemies underneath the fire rain I'd suggest using shiver and ice patch...
Surely CE isn't that bad when teamed with a tank?
No not at all but imho taking one step back and using shiver works just as well. Seeing as shiver is alot more useful if there isn't a tank in the team, I'd go for shiver alone. However, your mileage may very, see what suits you the most...
I plan on duoing a lot of duoing with an Ice/Fire tank, who should hopefuly have no problem keeping aggro off of my blaster hide, when he was CE himself aswell as Icicles and taunt ^^
Doesn't sound like a half bad idea, something along the lines of:
2 ice patches
2 CE's
Rain of Fire - You
Combustion - Tank
Fire Sword Circle - Tank
Fireball - You
FireBreath(when positioned correctly) - You
This could have some devistating effects.
Fire Blast, Blaze and Ice Sword to finish up or to finish Bosses (greater fire sword for the tank at higher levels).
As a side note, CE very good in pvp but be careful about agro in pve as some have previously stated.
Can't think any more off the top of my head.
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Surely CE isn't that bad when teamed with a tank?
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Indeed - it's rather good. Its -Dam debuff is also the only direct damage mitigation you get access to before the Epics and stacking that with the -Dam from a Tank's CE as well should make you both a good bit safer.
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CE is great in PvE imo.
Got a fire/ice lvl26 blaster, i left him to rot, fire just realy aint my style.
My nrg/ice blaster i like a bit more, but about chilling embrace.. it does NOT work again stalkers, by the time they are being 'ticked' of chilling either their AS already triggered or they use a fly-by-SJ critical ET attack.
Same for ice patch, AS doesnt work then, but a fly-by-SJ critical hit will still do a succes hit. Once you got the stalker in target, he's already 100yrds away.
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My nrg/ice blaster i like a bit more, but about chilling embrace.. it does NOT work again stalkers, by the time they are being 'ticked' of chilling either their AS already triggered or they use a fly-by-SJ critical ET attack.
Same for ice patch, AS doesnt work then, but a fly-by-SJ critical hit will still do a succes hit. Once you got the stalker in target, he's already 100yrds away.
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Doesnt that depend on when the tick is? Afaik the ticks 'tick' regardless if theres an enemy in range. So if CE ticks the moment a stalker gets close enough it would stop him/her. This would take quite abit of luck or a laggy stalker but it sure beats zero defense at all...
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Got a fire/ice lvl26 blaster, i left him to rot, fire just realy aint my style.
My nrg/ice blaster i like a bit more, but about chilling embrace.. it does NOT work again stalkers, by the time they are being 'ticked' of chilling either their AS already triggered or they use a fly-by-SJ critical ET attack.
Same for ice patch, AS doesnt work then, but a fly-by-SJ critical hit will still do a succes hit. Once you got the stalker in target, he's already 100yrds away.
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Well I use CE a lot in Siren's and until now, I've survived most of the 1-vs-1 encounters I've had with stalkers (and managed to take down quite a few if they don't run away fast enough). I also use Assault and Tactics, but I'm surprised you think it doesn't interrupt AS. Ice Patch on the other hand I found less than effective against stalkers (and for PvP in general). And I agree with Chill, I mainly use CE for PvP.
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I know it 'is' interupting, i say it isnt realy working against stalkers. From all my encounters with AS's, i can only remember 1 time it hit me with the normal AS-damage. My chance of attacking back is often gone before i can react, CE does slow, but does supress any form of jumping (3slot CJ/3 slot hurdle).
Or i was just unlucky getting some pro-stalkers against me
Still i got great use of CE in PvE, i'm not that bothered
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My main is a lvl 46 fire/ice blaster who has also got the fire mastery epic power pool.
I found most of the low down ice powers a waste of time but ice patch, build up, ice sword and the one that incases the foe in a total block of ice (sorry can't remember the name) really good. But i found the last power in the pool a total waste of time, it never hits anything even though i've got it slotted with holds.
The ice block power along with char from the flame mastery pool is brilliant for holding everything from minions ro even AVs some times!
I've got nothing bad to say about the fire pool at all
Over all i have found the Fire/Ice blaster to be a great build
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Edit: Link doesnt seem to work here, basically CE won't interrupt AS anymore in I7
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Got a fire/ice lvl26 blaster, i left him to rot, fire just realy aint my style.
My nrg/ice blaster i like a bit more, but about chilling embrace.. it does NOT work again stalkers, by the time they are being 'ticked' of chilling either their AS already triggered or they use a fly-by-SJ critical ET attack.
Same for ice patch, AS doesnt work then, but a fly-by-SJ critical hit will still do a succes hit. Once you got the stalker in target, he's already 100yrds away.
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Well I use CE a lot in Siren's and until now, I've survived most of the 1-vs-1 encounters I've had with stalkers (and managed to take down quite a few if they don't run away fast enough). I also use Assault and Tactics, but I'm surprised you think it doesn't interrupt AS. Ice Patch on the other hand I found less than effective against stalkers (and for PvP in general). And I agree with Chill, I mainly use CE for PvP.
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In I7 there is a change coming that will make AS uninterruptible with just debuff auras. Ie. only damage auras and those that do some secondary effect like knockdown or repel, interrupt AS. Afaik CE is just a slow aura? thus it will not interrupt AS in Issue 7.
Chillblazes link doesnt work, btw.
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Got a fire/ice lvl26 blaster, i left him to rot, fire just realy aint my style.
My nrg/ice blaster i like a bit more, but about chilling embrace.. it does NOT work again stalkers, by the time they are being 'ticked' of chilling either their AS already triggered or they use a fly-by-SJ critical ET attack.
Same for ice patch, AS doesnt work then, but a fly-by-SJ critical hit will still do a succes hit. Once you got the stalker in target, he's already 100yrds away.
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Well I use CE a lot in Siren's and until now, I've survived most of the 1-vs-1 encounters I've had with stalkers (and managed to take down quite a few if they don't run away fast enough). I also use Assault and Tactics, but I'm surprised you think it doesn't interrupt AS. Ice Patch on the other hand I found less than effective against stalkers (and for PvP in general). And I agree with Chill, I mainly use CE for PvP.
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In I7 there is a change coming that will make AS uninterruptible with just debuff auras. Ie. only damage auras and those that do some secondary effect like knockdown or repel, interrupt AS. Afaik CE is just a slow aura? thus it will not interrupt AS in Issue 7.
Chillblazes link doesnt work, btw.
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That's correct. Clicky. Bad news for some of us. I don't think stalkers really needed a boost, but oh well...
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It's -speed -recharge -damage.
It's still incredibly usefull, so I wouldn't drop it even though it doesn't stop AS now.
My advice on ~Fire/Ice....
Go for Ice/Fire.
Ice - better control and single target damage with slows, with ice storm to equate to your favoured fire storm
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/Fire - generally more useful secondary than /ice apart from ice patch
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My advice on ~Fire/Ice....
Go for Ice/Fire.
Ice - better control and single target damage with slows, with ice storm to equate to your favoured fire storm
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/Fire - generally more useful secondary than /ice apart from ice patch
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/Fire has some nice AoE's, true. But Ice has a lot of utility, two slows, a hold, a knockdown, a sleep. If we can ignore Frozen Fists it's a nice set for PvE and casual PvP.
Saw the topic title and didnt need to read the posts
weak primary in termns of control, great damage but not enough to warrant fire unless u just plain fancy it.
strong secondary for control, overall not a bad choice. imo it is on the side of the 'viable' secondaries
conclusion: if it isnt elec energy or ice dont bother with it if you are looking to pvp or solo, otherwise, go for whatever.
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slotting frozenfist, icesword and CE all with slows, you can nulify most mobs recharge Add Shiver and they cant even move anymore.
But thats PvE experience, never tried PvE
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But thats PvE experience, never tried PvE
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Ohkay......
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slotting frozenfist, icesword and CE all with slows, you can nulify most mobs recharge Add Shiver and they cant even move anymore.
But thats PvE experience, never tried PvE
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How owuld slotting slows floor the opponents recharge? all that a slow enh does is enhance the -speed of movement (also quite useful in some cases). The single best way to floor recharge as far as i understand it is to slot recreds and stack the -recharge effects.
slows are a total killer if you can survive your opponents 1st chain.
Plight
Well, I had to make a blaster some day, I suppose. It was inevitable.
I'd like advice on the Fire/Ice combo if possible.
My current plan revolves around Rain of Fire and Chilling Embrace, to cause widespread destrcution that in inescapable.