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Today I come in and anytime i attack someone i get told "oh no we're duelling" or "we're just messing around with our powers" accompanied with abuse. It got to the point where I felt I had to send a tell to my target asking if its ok to attack them (didnt do that though). This kinda thing is really putting me off the pvp zones or onto the idea of creating a build specially for assasinating these people.
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You did nothing wrong! And never ever send a tell asking if it's "ok" to attack, just do it! 
You and anybody else that enters a PvP zone are free to kill whoever or whatever you like, reguardless of whatever they are doing at the time!
If people want a safe 1 vs 1, take it to the arena! 
And anyone that stands in a PvP zone and complains of getting killed.......should stay out of PvP zones!
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What Blizzaria said.
The PvP zones are just that - PvP zones. If you enter one, you are a valid target for anyone who wishes to attack you. If you do not want to be attacked by other players, don't enter the zones.
If you wish to duel another player or team privately, you can use the Arena. You cannot expect everyone else in a PvP zone to be aware that you are duelling, or to leave you alone while you do so. Some players may avoid duellers, but they are no obligation to do so.
Finally, if anyone becomes abusive with you in a PvP zone, please /petition. There is no excuse for abusive language, no matter what the provocation.
Its good to know I havent done anything specifically forbidden while attacking other people. Its what I expect really, if I see an enemy I attack without sending any "Excuse me, could I possibly attack you?" tells..
Its the abusive language that should be rooted out from the PvP zones. Its definitely a problem. Some people apparently can't see a difference between "normal banter" and "abusive language". Tsk. In my opinion banter doesnt include words that the profanity filter catches or words like "n00b".
About arenas, I'd recommend an official how-to-use arena guide put to here
http://uk.cityofheroes.com/game-guide/
for instance. It could then be linked in forums.
When the "devs" start siding with griefers, it's about time to let the devs and the griefers have the game to themselves.
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There is no excuse for abusive language, no matter what the provocation.
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There's no excuse for behaving like an idiot either.
Petitions about abusive morons don't get taken seriously anyway, so what's the point? Or is it just abusive language that is frowned upon? Sure, there's no harm in roving bands of gankers, but the second someone utters a naughty word "AAARGH! THE WORLD'S ABOUT TO END!" I'm sorry but this seems to me like an all american policy. "Think of the children, for the allmighty Baby Jesus' sake!"
This is a game. The devs set the rules. The rules include: by entering a PvP zone you declare yourself to be a target for anyone; and abuse and sweering is not alowed. And these rules are enforced. If you don't like the rules you are free to pick up your ball and play elsewhere.
I really should do something about this signature.
nothing wrong with the word n00b, in fact its how I refer to all my friends here 
Its unlikely I would ever refer to anyone I wasnt on good terms as such though
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This is a game. The devs set the rules. The rules include: by entering a PvP zone you declare yourself to be a target for anyone; and abuse and sweering is not alowed.
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I have no problem with a rule that says no swearing, but to me ganking and general griefing is 100 times worse.
And if two ppl are fighting and someone hops in and joins the fracas, and the two original combatants tell the newcomer that it's a friendly duel, then how hard is it for the newcomer to just lay off? Open PvP shouldnt be a standing invitation to behave like a drunken idiot, but clearly this is the sort of behaviour that's encouraged by devs and rednames, and it's for this reason I've, like you so eloquently proclaimed, picked up my ball and gone to play somewhere else. Problem is that I find PvP in CoX one of the more entertaining and exhilerating experiences in computer games today, when it's not ruined by children behaving like neanderthals on coke cut with ratpoison.
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Also, like you said, it's a GAME. Shouldn't everyone try to make the game as entertaining as possible for everyone else? If entertainment to you is giving other players grief, then you don't deserve respect from anyone.
Wouldn't it be in the dev's best interest to have as many people enjoy the game as possible? It's not my belief, but sincere hope that most people aren't idiots, so the griefers must be the minority, but this minority are still able to keep most people away from PvP. Most of the people I've talked to who say they don't enjoy PvP say they don't like it because there's so many idiots giving them grief.
When I can target something red my finger uncontrollably hits my initiate pwnage button.
World of Jackcraft.
Enjoyment is subjective. The devs have to use thier best judgment. Clearly they are never going to please everyone. However they have provided arenas for dueling, and great big warning signs on the PvP zone, and design the game so that it is never nessassry to enter a PvP zone. I think that is quite enough.
I really should do something about this signature.
Attacking two people who are dueling isn't griefing, it's PvP'ing and is well within the rules of the zones. It might not be your personal flavour of PvP but it is allowed none the less. If I see two people dueling I tend to back off and let them at it, unless one of the pair attacks me. That's a personal choice made by me though - an equally valid choice would be to run in there and throw all my attacks at which ever of the pair I'm able to attack. If you want to duel in the PvP zones that's fine by me. Just don't expect everyone to leave you at it.
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So I guess it's impossible for people to use their head, and to be respectful to other people... It's apparent that kids today has to do anything that is possible for them to do, as long as it is entertaining to them and it gives other people grief. As long as it's in your OWN PERSONAL best interest, OF COURSE you HAVE to do it...
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I have no problem with a rule that says no swearing, but to me ganking and general griefing is 100 times worse.
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But what you consider ganking and general griefing many others consider using the zones as intended. They really aren't the place for friendly duels, there are arenas for that. That's not to say you can't have a duel there, just don't get upset if you are interrupted.
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So I guess it's impossible for people to use their head, and to be respectful to other people... It's apparent that kids today has to do anything that is possible for them to do, as long as it is entertaining to them and it gives other people grief. As long as it's in your OWN PERSONAL best interest, OF COURSE you HAVE to do it...
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But aren't you doing the same thing, putting your enjoyment ahead of theirs?
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Mentions of griefing need to be specified a bit more, I acknowledge there some people out there who specifically try to annoy other people, but there are also borderline cases which we are discussing here. Disrupting a duel is within rights of everyone in the PVP zone, thats what Bridger and us are trying to say. Its not correct to try enforce "gentleman's rules" upon other people either.
They arent supposed to be there. Trying to make that happen in general simply will be unsuccessful and make you angry.. Even if there are some people ready to obey those rules. May I remind that its the game developers who decide what we should and should not do in those zones..
The rules of PvP zones are that they are free-for-all or general heroes vs. villains. Duels are against this definition actually..
I have to admit I don't know what I'd do if asked to back off out of a duel.. Possibly I would, possibly I'd not.
What I understand with griefing would be killing same player repeatedly, making mob kill somebody to cause debt, camping at hospital or something similar. In such cases I'd personally just leave the zone if playing there becomes pointless. Rez at base and exit via telepad.. although I admit Im a bit privileged to be able to do that. If you don't count chat, there's very little the other players can do to annoy me. Thats why I mentioned abusive language.
Most of the above cases aren't necessarily griefing, entering PvP zone is a big risk, thats what makes it fun. They're not parks to take a casual strolls in.
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So I guess it's impossible for people to use their head, and to be respectful to other people... It's apparent that kids today has to do anything that is possible for them to do, as long as it is entertaining to them and it gives other people grief. As long as it's in your OWN PERSONAL best interest, OF COURSE you HAVE to do it...
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Impossible for people to use their head? Not at all, as can been seen from my post where I said that I WOULD respect a dueling pair's decision to fight it out amongst themselves. Likewise if I attack a villain and see that they're actually fighting NPC's I will do my best to back away. Yesterday I attacked a mastermind just as they clicked on a patrol telephone. I backed off and let them at it. I'm assuming that there are plenty other people in the PvP zones who would do similar things. But giving other players that much space to do their own thing is not a requirement of the zone. People are well within their rights to attack anyone else within the zone, no matter what they're doing at the time. Feel free to petition if you feel the actions of another player in the zone are against the rules but I think you'll find that a lot of what you're complaining about is YOUR personal preference for how the game should be played in the zone. Just because someone else plays different to your preference does not make them a kid out to cause grief
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Union 50's: Chimera Obscura, Diet Anthracite, Grim Proctologist, Puny Little Minion, Raging Bitumen
In Soviet Russia, mission farm you!
Heh, I think that anybody on a patrol mission is supposed to be attacked though, otherwise what would be the point of patrol mission in a PVP zone if not the danger of being attacked? I mean, you even get a badge out of it..
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I have to admit I don't know what I'd do if asked to back off out of a duel.. Possibly I would, possibly I'd not.
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I know what I would do, I would get cross and continue to attack until they swore at me. Then I would /petition them. I get angry when people start making up their own rules and then expect me to obey them.
Attacking someone in a PvP zone is not griefing. That is the clearly spelled out rule of the zone. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT STAY OUT.
PS At 37 I do not consider myself a kid. Nor am I a disregarder of rules and manners. It is the people who try to impose thier own rules on the zone who are arrogant, ill mannered and inconsiderate.
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I really should do something about this signature.
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Heh, I think that anybody on a patrol mission is supposed to be attacked though, otherwise what would be the point of patrol mission in a PVP zone if not the danger of being attacked? I mean, you even get a badge out of it..
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My thinking was that they were probably doing it for the temporary stealth power. I enjoy fighting stealthed foes so I was happy to let them continue on their way
Defiant 50�s: Generalissimo, Righteous Bob, Splortch, Brutus Cayuga
Union 50's: Chimera Obscura, Diet Anthracite, Grim Proctologist, Puny Little Minion, Raging Bitumen
In Soviet Russia, mission farm you!
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Heh, I think that anybody on a patrol mission is supposed to be attacked though, otherwise what would be the point of patrol mission in a PVP zone if not the danger of being attacked? I mean, you even get a badge out of it..
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My thinking was that they were probably doing it for the temporary stealth power. I enjoy fighting stealthed foes so I was happy to let them continue on their way
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If no one attacks a person patroling a PvP zone, then the reward (temp power) Is very much greater than the risk. Don't be suprised if the patrols get removed if this becomes the norm.
I really should do something about this signature.
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Heh, I think that anybody on a patrol mission is supposed to be attacked though, otherwise what would be the point of patrol mission in a PVP zone if not the danger of being attacked? I mean, you even get a badge out of it..
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Exactly!
Risk Vs Reward, why do think theres a higher XP mission bonus inside PvP zones, because you run the RISK of being ATTACKED, and if you take away the RISK and start asking / waiting to attack others just when it suits them, it may as well just become another Zone.
I'm glad that I read this thread now. I didn't know that heroes and villians could pvp in the arena. No more duelling for me 
I think it's all related to manners. It's a game, and as such it should be entartaining for all who play it, if ruining a duel means you are ruining 2 other persons fun then it's quite clear there's something wrong.
Everyone is holding up the rules that it's a pvp zone and it's ok to attack anyone you see, but then comes the funny part : you get intrerupted in a duel, and you decide to hunt the player that spoiled the fun for you - you start getting silly broadcasts, then you decide to warn them that you'll petition them for abuse, AND then they'll start churning out that it's ok for them to spoil your fun but you aren't supposed to kill them and spoil theirs.
Anyway i'm quite sure that what i just said wasn't readable at all ( very tired and working also ), but the moral is : If you want to be treated with respect, then you should respect others as well, that would include not ruining their fun when they duel ( of course given they announce it and ask nicely to be left alone ).
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I think it's all related to manners - If you want to be treated with respect, then you should respect others as well, that would include not ruining their fun when they duel ( of course given they announce it and ask nicely to be left alone ).
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Manners? Anyone that attacks anyone in a PvP zone is free to do so. And anyone that decides to duel inside a PvP zone MUST be prepared to be attacked at any moment. If we all start this "wait till they finish" or "leave them if they are dueling" then the PvP zones will become very silly indeed.
There is NO need for duelers that get attacked, to respond with insults ect. You get no debt for being defeated in a PvP zone, you lose nothing, so if after all that they still have a problem with it, as Bridger has already pointed out....
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The PvP zones are just that - PvP zones. If you enter one, you are a valid target for anyone who wishes to attack you. If you do not want to be attacked by other players, don't enter the zones.
If you wish to duel another player or team privately, you can use the Arena. You cannot expect everyone else in a PvP zone to be aware that you are duelling, or to leave you alone while you do so. Some players may avoid duellers, but they are no obligation to do so.
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Manners? Anyone that attacks anyone in a PvP zone is free to do so. And anyone that decides to duel inside a PvP zone MUST be prepared to be attacked at any moment. If we all start this "wait till they finish" or "leave them if they are dueling" then the PvP zones will become very silly indeed.
There is NO need for duelers that get attacked, to respond with insults ect. You get no debt for being defeated in a PvP zone, you lose nothing, so if after all that they still have a problem with it, as Bridger has already pointed out....
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Well yes, i see this as a matter of manners, since what you are doing when attacking someone who's dueling is : disrespecting their wish of a fair fight. And that's exactly what it is : you are going to kill someone who's whole attention span is focused on his duel target, or who's already at half health from his fight, or who's under some conditions she might not normaly be under...so killing someone who's dueling isn't a big deal...and it certainly kills the fair play.
As i said : if you want to be respected, respect others without invoking "pvp rules", because nowhere in the rules it says you should attack people that duel ( nor does it deny it ), it's left to each player to contemplate on it.
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What did God say after creating man?
I must be able to do better than that.
What did God say after creating Eve?
Practice makes perfect
What did God say after that?
Must need more practise
Nothing wrong with dueling in a PvP zone in my opinion and nothing wrong with respecting such a fight but as stated the two duelers should always be aware that their duel might get interfered with and as such if that does happen you just have to deal with it (not in abusive behavior though, of course).
I'm sure many of us have wanted to do a 1 vs 1 in a PvP zone and don't really feel like being bothered going all the way to an arena to do one match, to just then have to return to the PvP zone.
I see nothing wrong with duels in the PvP zones. Just remember not all have the same views as you
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the prob is, not everybody knows that... I used to have duels in PvP zones until I found out that the hero and villain arenas were linked.
Some more info about the arenas to new players would be nice, seeing we now got the liaisons explaining the pvp zones, maybe they should add something like "if you want private battles with your friends, the arena is a sure way to fight your friends, be they hero or villain, without interruptions"
If people then STILL go duelling in an open PvP zone and start whining about it, then it's their own fault, if they still claim they didnt know bout arena its a severe case of "ZOMG!! RTFM!!11!" (well kinda)
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