Grav/Kin is excellent!
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Grav is a really fun set to play but IMO the "weakest" troller set there is ('cept maybe illusion?).
If you look for real control i would recommend Mind, Earth or Ice. Don't let this discourage you as I said it is a very fun set to play, has the best troller pet...the sing is just awesome 
For Grav i would probably recommend Rad over Kin for the debuffs and extra control in EM Pulse. Rad is really a set where you (almost!) can't go wrong and it's really good in PvP if you wanna go down that road.
Kin is also a fun set but a late bloomer and your playstyle will be more frantic and fast than with Rad + teams will love you for transfusion, speed boost, transference and fulcrum shift
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i have a grav/rad troller and thats gd. The grav pet (singularity is awesome) 
Kinetics in my experiance is very, very powerful in the hands of either a Defender or a Controller.
I've leveled with a couple Grav/ Trollers and they seemed to be kicking some sweet *whisles*, so I'd say - go ahead and try it out...
If you're having problems... you can always roll a Ice/Empathy Troller 
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Grav is a really fun set to play but IMO the "weakest" troller set there is ('cept maybe illusion?).
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Grav and illusion are weak? Funny as no other AT can create an indestructible army and have great pets at below lvl 30, as for my grav, i get numerous complaints in sirens regarding the strength and duration of my holds 
Mine is rad and as you say compliments grav well, choking cload sucks and seems pointless imo as its acc seems to suck and you cant put any acc enhancements in it so in pvp you ahve no real pbaoe protection. Kinetic is fun but more defendery as is mainly a buffing set but repel is very good (but not 100%) at preventing AS strikes in pvp.
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Grav is a really fun set to play but IMO the "weakest" troller set there is ('cept maybe illusion?).
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Grav and illusion are weak? Funny as no other AT can create an indestructible army and have great pets at below lvl 30
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OK, maybe weak was the wrong word to use. Both are very powerful but still lacks control compared to the other sets I mentioned (control swapped for dmg).
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as for my grav, i get numerous complaints in sirens regarding the strength and duration of my holds
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AFAIK grav holds have the same basic duration and mag of all other troller holds so it's depending on slotting.
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Mine is rad and as you say compliments grav well, choking cload sucks and seems pointless imo as its acc seems to suck and you cant put any acc enhancements in it so in pvp you ahve no real pbaoe protection.
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This is simply not true but choking cloud is not a power all rads should pick. It's exellent for trollers and defenders who wants to get down and dirty...for instance I think it's a must for fire trollers; simply awesome combo.
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Grav is a really fun set to play but IMO the "weakest" troller set there is ('cept maybe illusion?).
If you look for real control i would recommend Mind, Earth or Ice. Don't let this discourage you as I said it is a very fun set to play, has the best troller pet...the sing is just awesome
For Grav i would probably recommend Rad over Kin for the debuffs and extra control in EM Pulse. Rad is really a set where you (almost!) can't go wrong and it's really good in PvP if you wanna go down that road.
Kin is also a fun set but a late bloomer and your playstyle will be more frantic and fast than with Rad + teams will love you for transfusion, speed boost, transference and fulcrum shift
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pfft gravity has brilliant pets and great holds as well as some special control moves! Also illusion is the most wanted set as it keeps agro ok i admit it aint got many holds but it does have flash and blind! On a av blind is fast to recover and rarely misses. And insestructable pets rock i mean if you have no tank they are the next best thing! Dont mean to argue with you but i dont think i would get to 41 with the *weakest set*!
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Grav is a really fun set to play but IMO the "weakest" troller set there is ('cept maybe illusion?).
If you look for real control i would recommend Mind, Earth or Ice. Don't let this discourage you as I said it is a very fun set to play, has the best troller pet...the sing is just awesome
For Grav i would probably recommend Rad over Kin for the debuffs and extra control in EM Pulse. Rad is really a set where you (almost!) can't go wrong and it's really good in PvP if you wanna go down that road.
Kin is also a fun set but a late bloomer and your playstyle will be more frantic and fast than with Rad + teams will love you for transfusion, speed boost, transference and fulcrum shift
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pfft gravity has brilliant pets and great holds as well as some special control moves! Also illusion is the most wanted set as it keeps agro ok i admit it aint got many holds but it does have flash and blind! On a av blind is fast to recover and rarely misses. And insestructable pets rock i mean if you have no tank they are the next best thing! Dont mean to argue with you but i dont think i would get to 41 with the *weakest set*!
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ok, gonna do this one last time...first, I already said that the grav pet is the best pet in the game IMO. Second, the special control moves you talk about is what makes grav fun as I mentioned too. Third, I have at no point said that grav and ill where weak, simply that they haven't got the same control capabilities as mind/earth/ice and to a lesser extent fire.
Furthermore I believe illusion is so popular 'cos it looks good and has exellent solocapabilities where for instance earth is totally teamdependant to lvl 32 (and since the earth pet is pretty poor) and probably to epics.
I'm in the process of trying all the troller primaries and currently have a 50 ill/rad (my first and an exellent place to start if it's your first troller), 50 earth/kin (immense control and power), 43 ice/storm (shaping up to be a real killer in PvP) and a 36 grav/emp (dont play him much simply 'cos my other ones are better! much to do with the secondary of course). I've still to try fire/? and mind/? but that's soon to come.
This is my point of view and I understand if someone would disagree just hope that I've made my point clearer now
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I have a grav/rad controller (IX), and she's great fun to play. I can solo and team with her easily, and I can't wait to pick up the pet. Rad's debuffs are fantastic. It is an end-heavy setup, though once I got stamina that hasn't been so much of an issue.
That said, Kin would compliment Grav well too. With siphon power and speed heaped on Containment damage, you could probably become quite terrifying. Hmm, there's a thought.
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Mine is rad and as you say compliments grav well, choking cload sucks and seems pointless imo as its acc seems to suck and you cant put any acc enhancements in it so in pvp you ahve no real pbaoe protection.
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This is simply not true but choking cloud is not a power all rads should pick. It's exellent for trollers and defenders who wants to get down and dirty...for instance I think it's a must for fire trollers; simply awesome combo.
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Clearly it is true as I have stood in choaking cloud with my stalker for quite a prolonged period of time before I got bored and ASd them, any my stalker has no defence, I have spent enough time in pvp to gauge what does have use If a stalker can stand next to a rad with choaking cloud running for several seconds before going through the AS animation and still not get caught it offers no pvp pbaoe protection. The lack of being able to slot acc in it ruined what could be a great power IMO, with ED messing up stamina running another toggle at the same time as the rad debuffs seriously limits what you can do, spamming holds is a recipe for end crashing, all for a hold that barely hits even lvl minions.
If you wanna get down and dirty far better to stand in the debuffs, choaking cloud is a weak toggle in the rad set imo
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Thank you all for the advice on this. Rolled a grav/kin yesterday and is going well.
Picked a power that i wish i didnt know though (crush multiple targets one), but hey i can respec that out later.
Thank you all again for the advice and opinions. Always appriciated
I strongly disagree with Stalkobot. Choking Cloud can be awesome for a rad defender or a rad controller. Its a matter of playstyle.
Choking Cloud makes AoE holds last forever. Thats pretty nifty if you ask me.
Choking Cloud allows rad defenders to out tank even tanks in some situations. When you combine choking cloud, radiation infection and enervation field, you have a hell of a lot of damage mitigation.
Choking cloud effectivly remove 50% of all minions, and if you stand there longer, more too. Choking cloud pulses a hold every 3 secs Iirc, and these holds stack. So with choking cloud, you can hold bosses given that you have enough time.
Choking cloud is a great power, but you gotta have to guts to go up close.
The reasons why people dont always take it are,
1) Being in the middle of the mobs, isnt always fun when you are playing a squishy troller/defender.
2) The huge end cost makes it hard to also attack, so you have to either use few attacks, or none at all.
3) Its worthless if you dont 6 slot it (3 holds, 2-3 end reds, 0-1 rec). The rad sets has so many good power and since you cant choose and heavily slot all powers, something has got to go.
4) not very good in PvP due to the huge recharge time and bad accuracy.
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4) not very good in PvP due to the huge recharge time and bad accuracy.
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Thats all I was saying, clearly not very well
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i dont mind chocking cloud but if they get stunned they are ddead from the start as soon as the hold wears off they wont have a chance to reactivate it... dont get me wrong its a great move just lacks perfection
Grav/Kin leads to a lot of laughs on the team which is an invaluable asset and you can solo pretty well too.
Still more choices to go for though. I dunno if i should get super speed or super jump as travel. Hasten would be nice but I would also like the status protection in leaping set.
Hmm.. any ideas?
hasten/superspeed/hurdle works for me. once inertial redux kicks in you will have SJ for free anyways - mean time carry some break frees with you...
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Still more choices to go for though. I dunno if i should get super speed or super jump as travel. Hasten would be nice but I would also like the status protection in leaping set.
Hmm.. any ideas?
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You don't need a travel power if you're /Kin
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Still more choices to go for though. I dunno if i should get super speed or super jump as travel. Hasten would be nice but I would also like the status protection in leaping set.
Hmm.. any ideas?
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You don't need a travel power if you're /Kin
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Unless you want to get INCREDIBLY ANNOYED every time Siphon Speed misses.
Hi,
Im thinking of making a grav/kin controller, but have no idea if this AT is any good.
Played tanks, scrappers, defenders (empath and others) but not a controller before.
Is a grav/kin better than say.. a grav/rad?
Any thoughts appriciated.