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That said, Claws/SR can be useful in a team, and makes a formidable duo with an Empath
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that said any scrapper in i4 can make a formidable duo with an empath 
and some dark armour scrappers fail to slot for end properly as a rule a toggle has to be brought to about .24 eps if possible.
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Any SR scrapper, can make a dangerous team with an Empath. The others tend to benefit more from a Kin. SR + Fortitude = Reasonable defence
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They were appropriately appalled
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They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
-def is a rubbish secondary effect, especially after ED with people running around with 2 Acc enhancers slotted in thier powers.
NB Spines does have defensive potential, it slows attack rate (which is most effective combined with regen). It also has a ranged Imobilise.
SR is the weakest Secondary against +level mobs and AVs, at least until the defence changes in issue 7 occur. However when combined with Parry, Divine Avalanche or -Acc (DM) it is far more effective.
Thus Claws + SR is anti-synergistic.
IMO the way to fix Claws would be to change -Def to -Res (as you rend armour).
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In addition to speeding up the animation times and decreasing the end cost a touch more, that would probably do it.
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3 damage slots lvl52
focus pre follow up 201.58
focus post follow up 240.06 = 19% mark up
2 damage slots lvl 52
focus pre follow up 177.42
focus post follow up 215.19 = 21% mark up
1 damage slot lvl 52
focus pre follow up 140.17
focus post follow up 178.65 = 27% mark up
0 damage slot lvl 52
focus pre follow up 102.59
focus post follow up 141.07 = 36.5% mark up
ok it looks scaleable the more damage you have in your attacks the less effective follow up is
omg how devious can the devs be and omg how bored must i be doing that
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This is perfectly normal behaviour - you'd see the same thing with Build Up if you tested it with another build. Damage boosters add a proportion of the base damage of a power, which will become a smaller proportion of total damage as more Damage enhancements are added. This means, among other things, that all such damage boosters became substantially more powerful post-ED.
37.5% does seem a pretty low bonus, though, but at least it can be in effect almost constantly - a lot better than Build Up in that respect - and adds slightly more than one extra SO would have done. Does its bonus stack with itself, out of interest?
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lvl 50 possessed scientist
3 damage slots lvl52
focus pre follow up 201.58
focus post follow up 240.06 = 19% mark up
2 damage slots lvl 52
focus pre follow up 177.42
focus post follow up 215.19 = 21% mark up
1 damage slot lvl 52
focus pre follow up 140.17
focus post follow up 178.65 = 27% mark up
0 damage slot lvl 52
focus pre follow up 102.59
focus post follow up 141.07 = 36.5% mark up
ok it looks scaleable the more damage you have in your attacks the less effective follow up is omg how devious can the devs be and omg how bored must i be doing that
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This is perfectly normal behaviour - you'd see the same thing with Build Up if you tested it with another build. Damage boosters add a proportion of the base damage of a power, which will become a smaller proportion of total damage as more Damage enhancements are added. This means, among other things, that all such damage boosters became substantially more powerful post-ED.
37.5% does seem a pretty low bonus, though, but at least it can be in effect almost constantly - a lot better than Build Up in that respect - and adds slightly more than one extra SO would have done. Does its bonus stack with itself, out of interest?
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Well never have i seen a post showing the behaviour of build up or follow up or anything said. Seeing as you knew this is their any maths for it? As for bonus stacking ill go and find out.
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Eh? Since when, and when was the memo sent around? I sure didn't get one!
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no you wont nobody likes you enough but people i know who have endurance problems i just tell them that and they go away and come back with much better more fun character that doesnt stop, rest and say "wait for me".
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Eh? Since when, and when was the memo sent around? I sure didn't get one!
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no you wont nobody likes you enough
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Any SR scrapper, can make a dangerous team with an Empath. The others tend to benefit more from a Kin. SR + Fortitude = Reasonable defence
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well slotted sr + well defence slotted fortitude = pretty much elude+ from what i have to work out with figures wise.
To my info, fort offers 30% defence to lethal, smash, fire, cold, energy, neg energy and psionics, slot that 3 defense slots all +2 say roughly adding 66% to it thats almost 50% defence added to someone. Elude is 45% no wonder i barely have to heal the person i gave it too. 3 recharge slots in fort you can keep 2 people in the team perma-forted approximately, so thats the tanker and anyone else thats somehow managed to be a target despite having a tanker on the team.
Thats not reasonable defence thats great defence. Until scaleability comes of defence the benefits of fortitude isnt fully realised. All types of defenders are worth the same to any team in my eyes but yes to certain AT's some types can be of more benefit than others.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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IIRC, I've had stacked Follow Up before - for maybe one attack, but still.
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I thought Fort was 25% either way......
its the scaling that stops me saying its Great defence at the moment, in I7 SR+Fort=great defence
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
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There is an additional icon.
The main problem with Follow Up in my experience is it almost decreases DPS - the time it takes use Follow Up you could have used another attack (which is easy in the Strike, Focus, Strike, Eviscerate chain) and the damage increase isn't actually enough to balance the loss of an attack in the chain.
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tested - results
follow up 3 recharge used within duration does show an additional icon in the buff bar having 3 recharge follow up and hasten would show this for longer.
does it stack
against lvl 52 spectral series 1
follow up attacks 40.03
focus strikes 112.85
follow up attacks 55.04
focus strikes 143.6
yes it does stack but i wouldnt remove any damage slots for the sake of recharge without putting myself through mathematical boredom to find out what changes i could make to what attacks? how many recharge? how many damage? what attackchain? i am willing to accept common slotting of 3 dam, then acc, end and rec or whatever it is for better peace of mind and just get on with the game.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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In that case, I'm pretty damn awesome at timing when to use it . I've yet to get a second buff icon when using the power without the first icon disappearing 
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The main problem with Follow Up in my experience is it almost decreases DPS - the time it takes use Follow Up you could have used another attack (which is easy in the Strike, Focus, Strike, Eviscerate chain) and the damage increase isn't actually enough to balance the loss of an attack in the chain.
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this is how i feel, i agree with you, i think follow up is basically an asset whilst you are lacking in slots and then past a certain level or the time when all your attacks are well slotted it may become a pittance of a power and it maybe best to do things differently.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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In that case, I'm pretty damn awesome at timing when to use it . I've yet to get a second buff icon when using the power without the first icon disappearing .
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erm no recharge is 12 secs and the duration is 12 secs you could just be spamming it. nah u knew that and are playing.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Well never have i seen a post showing the behaviour of build up or follow up or anything said. Seeing as you knew this is their any maths for it? As for bonus stacking ill go and find out.
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Sure, the maths is pretty straightforward.
Total damage = Base damage * (1 + damage bonuses)
so, in your example with focus:
Unslotted Focus Total damage = 102 * (1 + 0) = 102
Focus + follow up = 102 * (1 + 0.375) = 140.25
Focus + 1 SO = 102 * (1 + 0.33) = 135.66
Focus + 1 SO + follow up = 102 * (1 + 0.33 + 0.375) = 173.91
Focus + 2 SO + follow up = 102 * (1 + 0.33 + 0.33 + 0.375) = 207.57
and so on. The small differences from your measured values are because you're using lvl52 SOs and I can't remember how much extra bonus that will give you off the top of my head, so I just approximated with even level ones instead.
By my 50s shall ye know me:
Tundra, DVM, The Late, Neutrino Ghost, Sir Clanksalot, End Of Days, Prof. Migraine
Howler Monkey
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erm no recharge is 12 secs and the duration is 12 secs you could just be spamming it.
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Sure, the maths is pretty straightforward.
Total damage = Base damage * (1 + damage bonuses)
so, in your example with focus:
Unslotted Focus Total damage = 102 * (1 + 0) = 102
Focus + follow up = 102 * (1 + 0.375) = 140.25
Focus + 1 SO = 102 * (1 + 0.33) = 135.66
Focus + 1 SO + follow up = 102 * (1 + 0.33 + 0.375) = 173.91
Focus + 2 SO + follow up = 102 * (1 + 0.33 + 0.33 + 0.375) = 207.57
and so on. The small differences from your measured values are because you're using lvl52 SOs and I can't remember how much extra bonus that will give you off the top of my head, so I just approximated with even level ones instead.
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i would of thought the 0.33 becomes 0.34 at +1 and 0.35 at +2 and 0.36 at +3
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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erm no recharge is 12 secs and the duration is 12 secs you could just be spamming it.
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Unslotted Focus Total damage = 102 * (1 + 0) = 102
Focus + follow up = 102 * (1 + 0.375) = 140.25
Focus + 1 SO = 102 * (1 + 0.33) = 135.66
Focus + 1 SO + follow up = 102 * (1 + 0.33 + 0.375) = 173.91
Focus + 2 SO + follow up = 102 * (1 + 0.33 + 0.33 + 0.375) = 207.572 damage slots lvl 52
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3 damage slots lvl52
focus pre follow up 201.58
focus post follow up 240.06 = 19% mark up
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Unslotted Focus Total damage = 201.58 * (1 + 0) = 201.58
focus + 3*++ SO + follow up = 201.58 * (1 * 0.35 + 0.35 + 0.35 + 0.375) = 287.25 
but in game i got 240.06 thats quite far out dont you think? or have i done something wrong here?
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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i would of thought the 0.33 becomes 0.34 at +1 and 0.35 at +2 and 0.36 at +3
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In fact, going from your numbers above it's 0.366 at +2. The penalties from ED start to complicate this, though. With +3 Enhncements you'll see a very slight penalty at 2 SOs, otherwise there'll be a penalty on the third, so the best way to find out your enhancement bonus is from the enhancement screen.
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Unslotted Focus Total damage = 102 * (1 + 0) = 102
Focus + follow up = 102 * (1 + 0.375) = 140.25
Focus + 1 SO = 102 * (1 + 0.33) = 135.66
Focus + 1 SO + follow up = 102 * (1 + 0.33 + 0.375) = 173.91
Focus + 2 SO + follow up = 102 * (1 + 0.33 + 0.33 + 0.375) = 207.572 damage slots lvl 52
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3 damage slots lvl52
focus pre follow up 201.58
focus post follow up 240.06 = 19% mark up
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Unslotted Focus Total damage = 201.58 * (1 + 0) = 201.58
focus + 3*++ SO + follow up = 201.58 * (1 * 0.35 + 0.35 + 0.35 + 0.375) = 287.25
but in game i got 240.06 thats quite far out dont you think? or have i done something wrong here?
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Total Damage = 102.59 * ( 1 + 0.35 + 0.35 + 0.35 + 0.375) = 248.78
But you have an ED penalty on your third SO which will bring the total down a bit. The main problem was that you'd used slotted damage where you shaoul have used the base value.
By my 50s shall ye know me:
Tundra, DVM, The Late, Neutrino Ghost, Sir Clanksalot, End Of Days, Prof. Migraine
Howler Monkey
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Unslotted Focus Total damage = 102 * (1 + 0) = 102
Focus + follow up = 102 * (1 + 0.375) = 140.25
Focus + 1 SO = 102 * (1 + 0.33) = 135.66
Focus + 1 SO + follow up = 102 * (1 + 0.33 + 0.375) = 173.91
Focus + 2 SO + follow up = 102 * (1 + 0.33 + 0.33 + 0.375) = 207.572 damage slots lvl 52
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3 damage slots lvl52
focus pre follow up 201.58
focus post follow up 240.06 = 19% mark up
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Unslotted Focus Total damage = 201.58 * (1 + 0) = 201.58
focus + 3*++ SO + follow up = 201.58 * (1 * 0.35 + 0.35 + 0.35 + 0.375) = 287.25
but in game i got 240.06 thats quite far out dont you think? or have i done something wrong here?
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Total Damage = 102.59 * ( 1 + 0.35 + 0.35 + 0.35 + 0.375) = 248.78
But you have an ED penalty on your third SO which will bring the total down a bit. The main problem was that you'd used slotted damage where you shaoul have used the base value.
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ah yes! i also went (1 * 0.35 instead of (1 + 0.35 as well, no wonder! thx i should give up my day job as a proof reader
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Most I4 scrappers didn't duo with Empaths, though, as they were entirely optional - the extra damage/defence was overkill in a lot of cases;for Claws/SR, the extra damage/defence counted (and still does) that much more, as it works as panacea for our slightly anaemic damage and defence.
The main reason why I'd dislike to play a Claws/Dark is largely down to the endurance issues, yes, but it's also a resistance-based-set - although you could (and would probably have to) use Death Shroud to augment your low damage output.
@Synaesthetix
"Here, take some more bees with you. You may need them."
Union: FU//LoUD
"that Syn is that that" - Mothers Love