QR was 'replaced' by Hide. Something had to go and they removed the feature of Regen that they dislike most, the massively reduced downtime. Personally, I think dumping Resiliance would have been more in concept, but 'in concept' isn't in the Cryptic dictionary... just look at MoG.
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I think dumping Resiliance would have been more in concept, but 'in concept' isn't in the Cryptic dictionary... just look at MoG.
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So true, so true *shakes head sadly*
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There stalkers not scrappers you want to play a regen scrapper go role one and chose stealth. You want a stalker well role one and learn how to play a stalker if you play like a scrapper you will die.
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Do you actually try to be abraisive, or is it just a talent?
The guy is making a perfectly good point about the illogic of removing a 'regen' power from a set called Regeneration and leaving in something like MoG which is conceptually not a regeneration power. This does not mean that he does not wish to learn to be a good Stalker.
Lighten up for heaven's sake.
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On the other hand as a stalker is designed for hit and run QR doesnt really go with the concept of stalker. The AT concept to me should come before the power set concept, which the devs have done.
Looks like any other regen moan I have ever seen on these boards and MoG is a panic button situ power for when your regen rate wont keep you alive. And as Zeph says there is no need for Q.R. due to the fact that you wont need it as a stalker. It was usful for a scrapper as they had to stand and fight I have yet to see a good stalker stand and fight hit and run for teh win.
Well whether QR fits in a -concept- or not, i dont care, its just an awsome good power, which is a total shame to throw away from the Regen sheet. It was the reason for me picking regeneration on my CoH scrappers. And Hide is not a replacement at all. For soloing, QR was thé power, now, id pick Regen only for the heals. Dunno what a good alternative is, next to spines. Regen combined with Stamina might give abit of the same result, but with ED, the recovery will be less i think.
Yeah but yopu will not be going at the enemy hammer and tongs like you would be as a regen scrapper so you needed the extra end to be able to kill quickly. As a stalker you will be doing more damage than a scrapper and you will also be running and away so that you can hide agian. A stalker is nothing like a scrapper and thats whay the sets are differnt I mean could you imaagine these boiards if all the CoV A.T. where the same as the CoH ones. Yes they have reused some sets but they play very differntly to the hero versons.
On the other hand, MoG should be no use to a Stalker. A better bet would have been to put in some form of Phase Shift power, perhaps Phase Shift combined with a massive speed boost and an AoE placate. This is more in-keeping with the AT and no more out-of-place than MoG.
I disagree that Cryptic took a careful look at Regen and adapted it for Stalkers, I think they just needed a slot for Hide and picked the lowest level power they could throw away.
Actually, the only Stalker secondary I do think they looked at properly is ninjutsu, which is a beautiful concept set and well worth taking just for beautifully integrated, in-concept powers.
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yeah but regen dont really fit with a stalker if you ask me but I do think that its is a very pure Regen set as I have siad MoG is a panic button. There are probaly reasons they got rid of QR and that is more than likey as it dont help a stalker stay alive or maybe that it was over powerd.
I mean look at brutes they cant have fire/ice no illusion dominators or Archery/Trick arrow currupters all these are not avaible because they would be far to powerfull.
At the end of the day a panic button like MoG is still more useful to a Stalker concept wise or not than QR.
And i too doubt that cryptic took a careful look at regen or adapted it. It's probably only there because it is so popular. Imo Regen set shouldnt be there for Stalkers full stop, but it is, and it has the powers it has.
Point. Regen probably should be in the Brute sets. Brutes are more like Scrappers than Tanks.
I still think QR got dumped because Cryptic don't like it. Not only that, but a lot of non-regen players don't like it. It got badly nerfed by ED, and one of the reasons given for ED was to nerf Stamina (less powerful than QR) and Hasten.
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Actually, the only Stalker secondary I do think they looked at properly is ninjutsu, which is a beautiful concept set and well worth taking just for beautifully integrated, in-concept powers.
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Erm.. are you playing the same ninjitsu as me??
I think if ninjuitsu was in concept it would have a net trap or something to hold the enemy for 3 seconds, that would be alot more useful. As it is its not very good.
BTW if you were refering to Smoke flash im afraid to tell you it doesnt work at all and is a waste of a power.
If you get your ninjitsu to roughly lvl 30 plz come back and argue the point if you still think that way 
, and we can have a good discussion.
In think the one that is most in concept is SR, purely because of quickness. Any stalker that feels the need to pick more than 5 powers in his secondary power set is not really getting the essence of a stalker i dont reckon.
I agree with rock eagle and zephyrus on this one. Stalkers dont need any more endurance recovery anyway so it is a logical choice. MoG is more of a stalker power than that imo.
Your just speculating. You have no more idea than the rest of us why they got rid of QR instead of any other choice 
We could argue back and forth all day and still none of us would be any the wiser.
I blame the fish 
I don't mind that QR has gone as we are only running two toggles (not countin the powerpools).four toggles is say the highest we might ever be running. [censored] me thats amazing compared to my dark armour scrapper. If i want him fully kitted out to fight i'd be running around 7 toggles which is a nightmare for the endo.
But i suppose you guys see a alot more difference as you havent tryed dark armour. Once you've tried the toggles on that you will be grateful with any other set. Not saying its not fooking awesome, its just endo heavy.
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Point. Regen probably should be in the Brute sets. Brutes are more like Scrappers than Tanks.
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LOL a Regen Brute, that wouldn't be INCREDIBLY overpowered...
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Point. Regen probably should be in the Brute sets. Brutes are more like Scrappers than Tanks.
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LOL a Regen Brute, that wouldn't be INCREDIBLY overpowered...
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No more than regen scrappers are tbh. I have found that it normaly takes a team to take down a regen but then agian as I have never played one past lv 12 but but in hero vs hero there way overpowerd.Im sure you could tell me other wise but they are meat to stalkers.
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No more than regen scrappers are tbh.
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Actually, Brutes have more HP than Scrappers, so the regen rate would be through the roof.
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Regen brute would be so insanely overpowered that there's not even a word for it. Brutes need to have some downtime to balance Fury.
I don't think regen scrappers are really overpowered at all in their current state, although they are still very nice.
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ninjutsu, which is a beautiful concept set and well worth taking just for beautifully integrated, in-concept powers.
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Yeah I agree.
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You know what would be really cool a Martial Arts/Ninja scrapper I could make a Batman like toon on CoH it would be so cool.
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Downtime... what's that?
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Regen brute would be so insanely overpowered that there's not even a word for it. Brutes need to have some downtime to balance Fury.
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Yeah lol that would be a joke. Thered be groups of them charging through missions running at full rage the whole time and just self healing between fights.
Hey, is it just me or did they destroy half of the use of Regeneration? If im right, Quick Recovery is left out of Regeneration in CoV. It made me so good in CoH with my scrapper, never had to rest!