IoP's and Base Raids Supergroups Discussion

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Gah, I predict a massive influx of posts like that.

The thing is, my tactic in a base raid WOULD be to destroy other stuff in the base rather than the people first. If they've got no power, how can they use their base defences? If they've got no control, how can they buy inspirations? If they've got no medibay, they'll have to either get a rez mid-fight, or run aaaall the way to a base portal from a hospital.

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if they've got no power, how do they have control and most of times the portals are near hosps

however, i expect alot of posts by people saying "could you guys be nice and at least keep the base in 1 piece? thank you". Though on the other hand I also expect people (the griefing kind) to just attack a base and destroy everything with or without really paying attention to the IoP, but thrash everything just to bug the other SG.

Yes, thats what Im afraid as well. "Who cares about PvP as long as we trash their base".

Theoretically just taking down the generator should reduce any functionality of the base to 0, but Im not so sure it can be destroyed. I for one cant target it or get its HP bar, same for mainframe. All add-on's,workshop,infirmary reclaimator and telepads are targetable however. Is this working as intended? Maybe the most needed pieces cant be destroyed?

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Gah, I predict a massive influx of posts like that.

The thing is, my tactic in a base raid WOULD be to destroy other stuff in the base rather than the people first. If they've got no power, how can they use their base defences? If they've got no control, how can they buy inspirations? If they've got no medibay, they'll have to either get a rez mid-fight, or run aaaall the way to a base portal from a hospital.

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if they've got no power, how do they have control and most of times the portals are near hosps

however, i expect alot of posts by people saying "could you guys be nice and at least keep the base in 1 piece? thank you". Though on the other hand I also expect people (the griefing kind) to just attack a base and destroy everything with or without really paying attention to the IoP, but thrash everything just to bug the other SG.

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Oh don't get me wrong. I DO want the IoP but while I'm there I might as well mess around a bit And of course you are most welcome to do that to our base.

If you don't want nasty raids don't get IoP. It's simple as that. If someone decides to grief Insanity Inc and just destroys the base and forgets the IoP, I won't be the one whining why the hell they did it. We all know what we are signing in when we get one of those IoPs. PvP.

Yeah we know that but there are going to be people moaning about PvP base riads saying how they are unfair and that there base was destroyed Ect Ect. Its just gonna be like "ZOMG a stalker pwend me nerf him" all over agian but for bases.

I know I know. It's just how the things work in PvP. No matter what you do or how polite you are, if you win... someone will complain. It's always going to be like that and so i dont pay that much attention to it.

The sad part is that the complainers will use the same tactics themselves. I'v seen so many peeople from the forums who has complained about TPfoe and nasty tactics like that, using those too. I don't mind the complaining but the hypocrisy... thats sad.

Imagine if :

a/ Greifer SG's diddn't get an IoP so they can raid and trash bases.
b/ PvP SG's diddn't get an IoP because attack is more fun then deffence.
c/ PvE SG's diddn't get an IoP to avoid having to PvP.

And so nothing happened.


Funnily the most unlikely of the 3 is c. I can't imagine PvE SG's not doing a new mission. Which means they'l get PvP forced on them and cry a lot.

NB: I do mean forced, the IoP's are clearly giving PvE bonuses, thus are part of the PvE game. While technically noone is actually forcing them to get an IoP, no one is forcing them to use enhancments either.

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NB: I do mean forced, the IoP's are clearly giving PvE bonuses, thus are part of the PvE game. While technically noone is actually forcing them to get an IoP, no one is forcing them to use enhancments either.

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I don't really agree on this.. The bonus is too small to have a real effect. When I told one friend about 1% extra damage she laughed at my face

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Oh don't get me wrong. I DO want the IoP but while I'm there I might as well mess around a bit And of course you are most welcome to try to do that to our base.


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As Smooth said, the simplest thing to do is NOT get an IoP. It's the same case here as in the PvP zones, if you don't want to PvP then don't do it!

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NB: I do mean forced, the IoP's are clearly giving PvE bonuses, thus are part of the PvE game. While technically noone is actually forcing them to get an IoP, no one is forcing them to use enhancments either.

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I don't really agree on this.. The bonus is too small to have a real effect. When I told one friend about 1% extra damage she laughed at my face

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While I disagree about the usefulness of 1% dammage. That isn't really important. What does bother me is that a lot of people will want the 1% bonus. Very soon people will consider any SG that dosen't have it nerfed.

Any privallige you get to keep for more than a week becomes a right.

Dont get my post wrong bout the griefing SGs. I for one will of course utilize every tactic in a raid to get my hands on that IoP, including cutting off their power supply etc. Therefore our SG prolly wont go into pvp until we got a decent base going on (WITH defenses). However, my point is, that there will be griefers, ignore the IoP and just thrash another SG's base just for fun. I agree, if you dont wanna risk your base being destroyed, dont get an IoP. On the other side, I think destroying a complete base using the IoP as excuse so items arent rebuilt, is just a lack of good sportsmanship. Now I dont know exactly how IoP raids work and thus also dont know bout the chances your base is rebuilt. Only know robotic fabricators give a 5% extra chance of items being rebuilt. So I'd reckon the chance of items being rebuilt is pretty slim. Think my point is, feel free to use every trick in the book in an IoP raid, but at least try to aim somewhat for the IoP and dont use it as excuse.

About the generator and mainframe, they CAN be targetted. Off the bat (should check it later) they are classed as lvl 47/48 Objects, and the generator has bout 740 hp. I hope its damage resistance will be pretty high otherwise those things will be trashed in no time.

Hmmm, well my SG is probably more PVE orientated. We all like going to PVP zones & having spankings, but it's nice to go back to the base to chill & get nursed back to health by our capable SG nurses .
I dunno if the whole group will be too keen on the idea of PVP getting rammed down their throats in their own home. But then again, yeah, it's another new mission , it'd be nice to see what the Cathderal trial is like. ZOMG, I just thought... do you get a badge for it as well???

er... how about we go get Item Of Power one day & then sell it before anyone notices ?

I can see large bases and IoP being really good reasons to join an SG. I think players might start leaving their SGs to join an SG that has had success in gaining an IoP either through Base Raids or doing the trial.
No doubt there will be guides on building the best Bases and the best defensive layout soon enough.

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I can see large bases and IoP being really good reasons to join an SG. I think players might start leaving their SGs to join an SG that has had success in gaining an IoP either through Base Raids or doing the trial.
No doubt there will be guides on building the best Bases and the best defensive layout soon enough.

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Lol, I don't think people that would leave an SG to join another for a puny buff are really getting all they can out of their SG in the first place then.

I wouldn't mind seeing the trial or a raid at all, but that's all dependant on how the rest of my SG feel. For sure, if we do ever get there, we'll be well aware of what we're letting ourselves in for. I don't really think that an IOP is going to overshadow the friendships, fun & laughs that have cultivated within the group though.

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I don't really think that an IOP is going to overshadow the friendships, fun & laughs that have cultivated within the group though.


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True, I can see it happening in the less than happy SGs lol. The new players that haven't teamed much with that SG will jump ship though.

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As Smooth said, the simplest thing to do is NOT get an IoP. It's the same case here as in the PvP zones, if you don't want to PvP then don't do it!

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Not QUITE the same though is it, as an IoP gives you a buff in the PvE zones. Might be a minimal buff, but a buff nonetheless - these things are important to some people.
Would be different if the buff only worked in PvP zones.