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Which means energy stalkers will hit through it also, you mentioned brutes before, not sure if u omitted stalkers by mistake 
I seem to recall you telling me that the Acc debuff would stop me hitting with an energy stalker (fuzzy memory, but i think thats what you said) . But i doubt that would be the case if i had a reasonably high damage attack slotted with 4 Acc and 2 Disorient combined with build up to use as an opener. Not to mention the use of inspirations....
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Dont get too excited i looked around the forums and right now it seems that the people that are crying are simply the ones that dont have a single clue for PvP and therefore dont know any of the wonderful tactics against stormies 
The hard facts layed in the US forums are the following
* /energy brutes will just walk right through it and hit you - most likely de-toggling in the process
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yep I sure do however you are a slippery thing and dont stay still for long, i ahve to preload total focus and jump after you till I get close enough to plant one on you 
I actually think lowering the -acc for melee would be a shame as it would give my NRG brute a huge advantage, I like to faceplant Talin but I like earning it
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you know 3 players that can hit you...That is my point!
I have no intencion of starting a huricane discution , but i has hoping for litle more honesty from you regarding how powerfull that powers is !
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hmmm sorry but i am totally honest...if 3 players can hit me it means more sure can and i already mentioned u lots of AT's and sets that can.Its powerful of course never said its weak but its not so overpowered as people think
I gotta agree there. The power does what it's supposed to do, there are ways round it. It ain't over powered, it just makes you have to think to achieve your goal. Sure it's a pain in the [censored], but i at least don't expect to be able to kill everything easily. This is a Heroes and Villains world we play in, we all need our nemesis.
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I gotta agree there. The power does what it's supposed to do, there are ways round it. It ain't over powered, it just makes you have to think to achieve your goal. Sure it's a pain in the [censored], but i at least don't expect to be able to kill everything easily. This is a Heroes and Villains world we play in, we all need our nemesis.
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blah i hate you when u agree
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I think they've nerfed it on US test anyway
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Actually they havent i just went through the notes and there is no thought about doing so so far.And especially killing the
-acc debuff of melee then the power should be removed cause its purpose is exactly this...kill acc of melee and remove melee from the controller. I personally dont see it happening cause the power seems well balanced with loads of counter moves and tactics.
Here you can also find a nice discussion about hurricane and the general feel is that the power shouldnt be really touched and that comes from a variety of AT's. What i find a nice quote is from my favourite PvP guy in US forums Tal_N
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There is a perfect circle of dependance within the ATs which is the essense of how they are balanced. Hurricane is a trump card against melee ATs, get used to it.
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Sums it up nicely..
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there are ways round it
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Yes, I can use Laser Beam Eyes to decimate that Stormie. They all run and hide when I'm on the prowl with my one ranged attack!
For quite a lot of us, there is simply nothing we can do against a Stormie other than look for something else to fight. Yes, Blasters/Trollers and one or two melee sets can get through it, but the rest of us can't and thats no fun.
MoG pop 2-3 acc and go for it. Or just let the ranged attackers deal with it while you tear apart the rest.
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MoG pop 2-3 acc and go for it. Or just let the ranged attackers deal with it while you tear apart the rest.
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So I either become a /REGEN or don't team with my friends anymore. Great suggestions TG, keep them rolling in!
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MoG pop 2-3 acc and go for it. Or just let the ranged attackers deal with it while you tear apart the rest.
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So I either become a /REGEN or don't team with my friends anymore. Great suggestions TG, keep them rolling in!
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uh what u mean by that.I thought u are regen... If you are not regen and cant get in then you can let someone of the ranged attackers deal with the stormie i not see how this prevents you from teaming with your friends.And is a pretty good suggestion. Just because you are not the one that can take down the stormie it dont mean much. You will let your team deal with it and work with tactics against it
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MoG pop 2-3 acc and go for it. Or just let the ranged attackers deal with it while you tear apart the rest.
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So I either become a /REGEN or don't team with my friends anymore. Great suggestions TG, keep them rolling in!
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uh what u mean by that.I thought u are regen... If you are not regen and cant get in then you can let someone of the ranged attackers deal with the stormie i not see how this prevents you from teaming with your friends.And is a pretty good suggestion. Just because you are not the one that can take down the stormie it dont mean much. You will let your team deal with it and work with tactics against it
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Im DM/DA. I have no ranged attacks but Laser Beam Eyes. I rarely team with anything but scrappers. Sometimes I might like to pop into a PvP zone solo. I can do nothing against a Storm set.
So my tactics are: either get in a team that has the AT's required to beat one specific powerset, or don't bother PVP'ing. Great.
since you team with scrappers is not hard to kill a stormie. Simply use Chives (or any spines,i just mentioned his name) Impale and generally the Laser beam Eyes and all kind of ranged attacks you got and kite the stormie to death...a couple of yellows would do as well in case he try debuff you. Plus a claws scrapper will have no problem with the stormie. Yes solo you ll have problem and not much u can do as far as i know...then again everyone got a nemesis in duels.Alone you ll have issues and all you can do is keep kiting with Laser Beam Eyes till he go down.
Don't know if it was a bug but I managed to get a swing in on a stormie with my brute in PvP.
Now I know being stone I can stand in the hurricane with rooted, but at the time I had Super Speed on (so no rooted) targetted the stormie, queued the attack and charged at them and the attack went off as came flying back out the hurricane again.
Now I missed with the attack but still i hadn't popped any accuracy so wasn't expecting to hit for the test, next time I see another hurricane user I'll be testing this some more to see if it was just a lag glitch that let me do it or something else.
The other test Im going to be trying is TPing in next to them, again with no mez protection on for the sake of the test and with a queued attack again seeing if I can get one off before I got flying out again.
On the whole Storm types are annoying, I have enough toons I can always bring one on that can give them a headache if needed, I suspect hurricane may well be changed in PvP, I don't see it needs to be so much but then I can get around it, is it overpowered yes (in pvp), do I care about the fact no, I could always make a storm controller if I was that keen on it.
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Haha, yeah... because Laser Beam Eyes is quite the devastating attack .
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So my tactics are: either get in a team that has the AT's required to beat one specific powerset, or don't bother PVP'ing. Great.
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Or you could do as i do if solo against a storm.... go fight someone else if there are more around. If not then go do something else, surely when you enter PvP the only person around isn't just a storm defender/troller?
What you say is as if you are barred from PvP because there is a power set called storm. In my experience there aint that many of em around.
Tg's ego is big enough without these kind of discussions adding to it
The problem is, I can't choose to have the Stormie not fight me. And from what I've seen of the PvP zones, at the higher levels your rarely spoiled for choice on who to attack.
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The problem is, I can't choose to have the Stormie not fight me. And from what I've seen of the PvP zones, at the higher levels your rarely spoiled for choice on who to attack.
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And even if you have a choice , they usualy are all on a 8 man team standing inside the huricane :/
Huricane is as powerfull as CoF before the nerf...
ps: @TG you are a good pvp player , and are just using huricane to its best efect , dont take this huricane hate personal... but i realy think that huricane makes any pvp team way to powerfull , and not fun to fight against !
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dont take this huricane hate personal... but i realy think that huricane makes any pvp team way to powerfull , and not fun to fight against !
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I take it personal i ma gonna hunt you down and beat you with a /em batsmash then /em smack than uhhh dunno run out of emotes
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I take it personal i ma gonna hunt you down and beat you with a /em batsmash then /em smack than uhhh dunno run out of emotes
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LOL 
@Snow.
Defiant: Snow + many other alts
Arc ID 61069
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Tanks= as above. Stone tanks forget about it 
Blasters= these are the biggest problem. A blaster armed with a full tray of BFs will destroy you. only chance is to hope he dosent bring any BFs
Defenders. You will need invis to drop any Rad debuffs. Dark defenders i hear are very good but ive never fought one. Dont think you should have much bother with the rest.
Controllers.= Always a good fight and who ever gets the first kill often goes on to win it. Watch out for end drain.
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What are you talking about? The people I'm LEAST afraid of are blasters, but that could be because I'm a /emp and as such have a pretty damn good self-heal. So they have break frees? You're a controller. BURN THROUGH THEM. Throw ALL the mezzes you have at them and forget the damage until they have obviously run out. Once this happens, start going wild and spamming lift and gravity distortion field. Then you'll see why you don't want propel.
Stone tanks? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, no more granite. If I can do it, so can you.
Defenders are easy, it's just a case of hoping your invis recharges as fast as their debuff will (with the exception of dark miasma's, who have their damn dark servant to kill as well).
Controller vs Controller fights are boring. It just comes down to whoever runs out of break frees first.
Oh, and you can use Lift to bring down fliers. If you want an immob for containment, do what I did and take Crushing Field. It's especially good in the open PvP zones because you'll have groups of enemies more than you'll be 1vs1.
If you keep propel, come to the arena on defiant (or warburg) and I'll SHOW you why you don't want it.
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My post was for grav/storm controller. Yes an /emp might be a bit harder but i doubt it My two 50s are a grav/storm roller and a ice/dev blaster. And i know my roller would have no chance against my blaster. Tried a couple of arena match's tonight, my blaster against a grav/storm roller and they finished 8-2 and 8-1 in my blasters favour. I think a /emp would be harder but with my snow storm i think i could take you down before your heal recharges My COH test isnt working at the mo but once i get it fixed ill have ya a duel.
thanks all for posting, is some nice ideas and battle tatics in this thread.
Also be intersting to hear the results of your duel as you both pvp winners looking at your forum names.
@Snow.
Defiant: Snow + many other alts
Arc ID 61069
you know 3 players that can hit you...That is my point!
I have no intencion of starting a huricane discution , but i has hoping for litle more honesty from you regarding how powerfull that powers is !