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I am going to switch things about so that i can have lightning field a lot earlier (even if u dont uncover the stalker, u get a miss notice and aim will let u see them)
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Would that help with flying stalkers?
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Hurricane is the best defence my brute has in pvp (ty TG :P), healt drop to red (run to TG) , low end (run to TG and end drain him) , 4 angry scrapers chasing me (run to TG and taunt them)
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You can TP him and build some fury off him too as he inevitably stops to type "lol" or "u nub" or some other innane comment. It doesn't matter that you're missing because any attack builds fury and you can get a good 1/3-1/2 a bar off him as he stands there waggling his e-peen.
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Hurricane is the best defence my brute has in pvp (ty TG :P), healt drop to red (run to TG) , low end (run to TG and end drain him) , 4 angry scrapers chasing me (run to TG and taunt them)
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You can TP him and build some fury off him too as he inevitably stops to type "lol" or "u nub" or some other innane comment. It doesn't matter that you're missing because any attack builds fury and you can get a good 1/3-1/2 a bar off him as he stands there waggling his e-peen.
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yeah and while u building fury standing next to me i am sure you enjoy me placing holds on you and eventually licking the floor..go you and your tactics 
I can think of one other power my SG has used to negate knock/pushback powers like hurricaine before. It's staying a well-kept secret, though.
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It works against Tp foe no idea about hurricane sounds like it should
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IIRC, I believe someone once told me that stacked ID works against Hurricane - not sure if that was a theory or something that was tested and proved to be right, though.
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mentioning snipe, all too many times i get hit by AS and the simple melee i respond with doees over 50% dmg to the stalker, snipe as they run drops them, this is pretty much my reasoning for not droping snip in my melee heavy build.
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Ooo sounds feesable. I get some kinda aim with Radiation and the snipe looks good so far but unlike eng rad lowers defence but i took kinetcs secondery.
I think corruptors and blaster/blapper might face a lot of the same stuff regards power choices and PvP build.
I think its an idea to focus on range & debuffs (and travle power is gonna be importants in PvP me thinks) not sure if solo's an idea altho mishs are easy.
Poor Rave's in retirement - she's hard to kill (which is weird) but does about as much damage as a wet tissue.
I'm loving my coruptor and was thinking of a nemisis for her - a blaster hero but what to choose.......
I need to read up me thinks, OMG me? a blaster? hehe
Meh off topic but it always happens lol.
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Yah i know that and again I still say that higher MM's will be a threat.
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To put it into context. My empath can jump into a horde of MM pets, stand there and buff other players, even have time to target and buff non-teamed players, launch a heal and I'm fine again (healing for 260ish, their pets do very little dam).
MMs r quite simply rubbish in PvP, and if an empath is not troubled by them wotsoever, I hardly think any other AT is going be either.
What level MM's were you fighting? If ive seen Tanks being ripped to shreds by MMs with slotted Assault bots i'd say your empath would take a teeny weeny bit more damage than they would however much you can heal yourself.
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What level MM's were you fighting? If ive seen Tanks being ripped to shreds by MMs with slotted Assault bots i'd say your empath would take a teeny weeny bit more damage than they would however much you can heal yourself.
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Even at level 40 an MM is no serious threat...assault bot goes down really easy not to mention how fast you can silence it by simply placing a nice hold on it or acc debuff it to hell. As for the rest of pets they are just no threat due to level difference and difficulty in layng hits. PvE wise MM's REALLY GOOD PvP forget it just cannon fodders and little nuisance to PvP teams.Even the tactical approach that some MM's use by staying way back kills the MM inherent power of +acc +dmg to bots so they are doomed. Staying back kills the chances staying close is just like inviting the other team to kill.
I'll mention one power.. personal Force field 
I wouldn't take it for PvE, but would definately take it for PvP.
At some point i'll get my MM lvl'ing a bit again and see how it fares in PvP for myself. But unfortunately the play style isnt really for me. Was new and interesting to beigin with, but by the time i got to 23 i was kinda sick of it.
If as you say they are so underpowered in PvP i'd imagine their will be a boost in PvP damage or accuracy for them coming some time i the future. Either that or all heros will get a 99% defense decrease as a nerf to compensate
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What level MM's were you fighting? If ive seen Tanks being ripped to shreds by MMs with slotted Assault bots i'd say your empath would take a teeny weeny bit more damage than they would however much you can heal yourself.
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Even at level 40 an MM is no serious threat...assault bot goes down really easy not to mention how fast you can silence it by simply placing a nice hold on it or acc debuff it to hell. As for the rest of pets they are just no threat due to level difference and difficulty in layng hits. PvE wise MM's REALLY GOOD PvP forget it just cannon fodders and little nuisance to PvP teams.Even the tactical approach that some MM's use by staying way back kills the MM inherent power of +acc +dmg to bots so they are doomed. Staying back kills the chances staying close is just like inviting the other team to kill.
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it all depends on how many there are you cant compare one MM against a normal team as that is rediculous, an solo awesome tank/brute/scrapper and even storm troller cant stand against an organised team. lets put it into context instead, a team of 8 heroes Vs a team of 8 Robot MMs fully slotted, that gives you an attacking party of 48 robots, provided the MMs in question are smart enough to have stealth/phase/PFF I think even the most ardent team are going to find it hard going especially if they all group on one target at a time. It could get worse if you are fighting a team of 8 Robot/FF MMs as you wouldnt be able to to anything to them if they were all grouped buffing each other, their inherant power would be in play making them even more formidable and even TP foe would be useless. I think the buffs from an 8 man FF team beats even hurricane
A team of 8 sounds unlikely but you never know what type of teams high levels do for kicks, remember herding the hollows with our defenders and fighting +5s at lvl 6?
All ATs have their strengths so long as you exploit them to the fullest.
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I'll mention one power.. personal Force field
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Snowstorm: locks down floating MM
Quicksand+Earthquake: Debuffs
1 yellow if necessary and lay 3-5 holds PFF shut down.Also remember PFF shuts down inherent power of +acc +dmg
Really good power though PFF gives lots of trouble.And if you not take PFF for PvE u need reconsider or at least try it...is very very good
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If as you say they are so underpowered in PvP i'd imagine their will be a boost in PvP damage or accuracy for them coming some time i the future.
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Never said they are underpowered...the whole build though of an MM is not as effective due to the scaling of pets and the necessary playstyle u need to hold the +acc +dmg to the pets. Maybe if they made the boost perma without ever shutting down would be better (not sure though)
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you cant compare one MM against a normal team as that is rediculous
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petition me ....apart from joking though i meant that when MM's are in teams they are just spotted by the team scout and given priority as targets so the pets can fall...
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8 heroes Vs a team of 8 Robot MMs
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Lol hami raid revisited But still going after the MM and killing is not a deal...there is a way to face such a team which i can tell you in game or pm you if u want 
still would be a nice fight..
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you sir are lame *petitions* you cannot use your AT to the max cause it ruins the PvP zone
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Even at level 40 an MM is no serious threat...
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At this point, I'd just like to point out that there's more than one MM secondary, and at least one of those secondaries can be damned scary by level 40. Solo, you're still hosed - but in a decent team who can keep you alive, I sincerely believe there's still a place for a good MM... the only problem is finding them.
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Even at level 40 an MM is no serious threat...
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At this point, I'd just like to point out that there's more than one MM secondary, and at least one of those secondaries can be damned scary by level 40. Solo, you're still hosed - but in a decent team who can keep you alive, I sincerely believe there's still a place for a good MM... the only problem is finding them.
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Never argued about that and i sure agree that there is place is just that the objectives that the MM would have vary a lot imho
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What level MM's were you fighting? If ive seen Tanks being ripped to shreds by MMs with slotted Assault bots i'd say your empath would take a teeny weeny bit more damage than they would however much you can heal yourself.
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Comparative lvl to the PvP zone that I'm in. And no. My empath does not take a lot of dam from them even when I'm being targeted by all the MMs pets.
As for the tanks you saw being ripped apart, you must have witnessed seom really bad tanks. Tanks are annoying in PvP because their health makes killing them take that much longer. I'd say either you have either confused ATs, or saw tanks getting done after toggle drop, but even then it wouldn't be a quick death (i.e tank has time to get toggs back on)
Truth is that MMs cant kill an empath even with all their pets targeted. MMs don't even bother me in a PvP zone, any other villian AT I keep moving to stay alive and spam heal. MMs..I grab a beer, pull up a chair and hit heal every so often.
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What level MM's were you fighting? If ive seen Tanks being ripped to shreds by MMs with slotted Assault bots i'd say your empath would take a teeny weeny bit more damage than they would however much you can heal yourself.
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Comparative lvl to the PvP zone that I'm in. And no. My empath does not take a lot of dam from them even when I'm being targeted by all the MMs pets.
As for the tanks you saw being ripped apart, you must have witnessed seom really bad tanks. Tanks are annoying in PvP because their health makes killing them take that much longer. I'd say either you have either confused ATs, or saw tanks getting done after toggle drop, but even then it wouldn't be a quick death (i.e tank has time to get toggs back on)
Truth is that MMs cant kill an empath even with all their pets targeted. MMs don't even bother me in a PvP zone, any other villian AT I keep moving to stay alive and spam heal. MMs..I grab a beer, pull up a chair and hit heal every so often.
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you cant say that as you dont know what lvl MM you are fighting, an equivalent lvl and slotted MM would tear an empath a new one. Solo they are not much cop in pvp zones but neither is an empath, its a teaming AT with complimentary powersets. I dont have a MM and I regularly mash them with my warshade but I can still see the potential.
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you cant say that as you dont know what lvl MM you are fighting
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Ok. Lvl 15 Corrupters slotted with TOs and a few DOs kills quite a few lvl 50 ATs in bloody bay. Therefore I *can* say that because I *do* know.
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an equivalent lvl and slotted MM would tear an empath a new one.
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No. See above.
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you cant say that as you dont know what lvl MM you are fighting
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Ok. Lvl 15 Corrupters slotted with TOs and a few DOs kills quite a few lvl 50 ATs in bloody bay. Therefore I *can* say that because I *do* know.
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an equivalent lvl and slotted MM would tear an empath a new one.
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No. See above.
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err I dont know what you mean by that, as the /search function now doesnt show opposing ATs you dont know the lvls you are fighting. Corrupters are a completely different AT as are Stalkers, Brutes etc, and all have their own benefits/weaknesses, also the lvl 50s they kill are not mentioned so I am not sure what kind of comparison you are drawing.
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This is getting silly. I'm not re-writing previous posts, or pointing them out or anything else coz I can't be bothered. Just scroll up and read the thread. If you have something to add, then fine, post away or not. Your choice. I'm off to a PvP zone in-game with my empath.
Just in answer to your "don't know who they are". I know who they are because I have either teamed with them (the heroes), or have seen them about and checked their lvl/builds etc as my hero. Including your good self.
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This is getting silly. I'm not re-writing previous posts, or pointing them out or anything else coz I can't be bothered. Just scroll up and read the thread. If you have something to add, then fine, post away or not. Your choice. I'm off to a PvP zone in-game with my empath.
Just in answer to your "don't know who they are". I know who they are because I have either teamed with them (the heroes), or have seen them about and checked their lvl/builds etc as my hero. Including your good self.
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G I wasnt being weird or anything I didnt get the point you were trying to make and just wanted clarification is all.
I havent taken my emp to the PVP zones as I dont think he would last 5 mins against anyone, I dont like to pvp with him unless hes 50 as I have literally 2 incredulously weak attacks and TK and sleep are my only useful semi-offensive powers and they are the 41+ epics. Moving and spam healing would keep me alive but stopping gets me a faceplant each and every time and get the emp is seemingly everyones favourite game each time heal-obot is in arena
Now I ahve teamed with lvl 37(ish) MMs who munch lvl 41 bosses without taking a breath and couldnt envisage my emp standing against these on an equal footing without doing the SS and healing aura shuffle.
I have not had my heroes in any dangerous positions by a MM but in sirens my warshade has been annoyed by pets (ninjas with damned caltrops) who have started to sap the health of my Dwarf form (admittedly unslotted) before I TP away.
As I said I havent tested a MM v my Emp so am merely making assumptions and MMs do not currently worry any of the alts I do use but I can see this changing as support in a more organised team environment, in the same context that your emp cant do much against other alts solo but in your support role you bug the hell out of the rest of us and negate our hard work , I just feel that the pvp potential must be there with the KB, traps and holds that some pets have or the devs will do some more `balancing` (god help us all) and it will even out that way.
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yeah and while u building fury standing next to me i am sure you enjoy me placing holds on you and eventually licking the floor..go you and your tactics
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I don't remember you ever doing anything on the several occasions I TPed you apart from talking a bit of smack and then bouncing back to your group. Then I immediately TPed your blaster and laid the smack down on him with the fury I got from you.
My main is an ice/storm contoller. Quite similar to earth/storm. My "other" main is a storm/elec defender. You can do sweet FA at lvl 25 with regards to damage, especially not vs a stone/stone brute with Rooted and Earth's Embrace running. So don't start spouting any "licking the floor" nonsense with me matey. You didn't lick jack.
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So don't start spouting any "licking the floor" nonsense with me matey. You didn't lick jack.
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Ok you actually need say who your brute is for me to know what you refer to cause u got me confused. Also i never actually lay any smack on brutes There is no reason for me to.
Search might not show opposing ATS, but handy PvP tip of the day:
When you go into a PvP zone type /whoall
It gives you a list of everyone there in the zone and their level, from both sides hero and villain so you can see what likely odds you are facing and broadly what ATs and levels they are.
Cheers
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Search might not show opposing ATS, but handy PvP tip of the day:
When you go into a PvP zone type /whoall
It gives you a list of everyone there in the zone and their level, from both sides hero and villain so you can see what likely odds you are facing and broadly what ATs and levels they are.
Cheers
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ooh thanks, I have been missing the /sea showing all in the pvp zones
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To Plight,
Aww, they're a menace to conts and blasters. Some without the magic formula can be spotted you know. But yeah w8 till we get lvl 40's around then we'll see a fairer fight, well maybe.... well prolly not actually. And I think a toe to toe with a top lvl one could go either way but tbh in an open zone the result willbe pretty much as it is sorry to say. The key for you i'd rekkon would be getting one to to toe not open???
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yeah i do rely very heavily on melee in my current build, which is basically a scrapper/tank killer for those that dont run. its really a semi original pve build that i like to pvp with, i am going to switch things about so that i can have lightning field a lot earlier (even if u dont uncover the stalker, u get a miss notice and aim will let u see them), and i'm adding another PBAoE stun as my PBAoE control is poorer since ED (SC+PS is still total drain tho in pve). im also thinking of adding flight(removing hasten) and dropping intimidate (its only use is locking down scrappers and tankers and its not in my build until very late on). if i drop presence this allows me to pick up two powers, so say i swap hasten/flight, i could go for lightning clap and another, this should let me keep a blast and an AoE AND my snipe.
mentioning snipe, all too many times i get hit by AS and the simple melee i respond with doees over 50% dmg to the stalker, snipe as they run drops them, this is pretty much my reasoning for not droping snip in my melee heavy build.
if i do the things im thinking of, i will resemble the damage output of an nrg/nrg blaster/blapper more as atm i have far too many slots committed to control and such lose a lot of ranged dmg (only snipe is slotted)
i need to write a build really.
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