whatever happened about this TG?
enquiring minds want to know.
he sure does like to brag, i teamed with him today wanting to know what was all the fuss about, and right off the bat he was going on about how he can take on the whole of monster island which i thought was funny, and even though im lvl 45 i seemed to do more damage on lvl 50s than he did strange that, ah well its only a game 
you always get one person who wants to [censored] you off in real life on on virtual life lol
well ok let me say the following overall most people have lay off him and he tries his best.Everyone knows how it is to be 15 so at times things get a bit out of hand but nothing a little spanking doesnt fix...some people still give him a lot of abuse but he tries put up with it and be calm although not always manageable. I have done my best and i keep doing it as overall he is a nice chap when his 15 years of age dont take over and goes a bit ballistic.He tries hard though and tries fit in with people either by being overenthusiastic or trying to chat up like most do. (some call it spam ) I dunno some people seem to enjoy him and even accept him slowly some others simply ignore him and is fair and they not abuse him no more. When he comes out of line talking calmly and putting him in place is the way to go as he seems to realise better when people not go ballistic on him. I dunno i tried my best, and i enjoy conversations with him (when he not go a bit nuts )
As much as I try, I can't talk to someone who asks me a question and then argues about the answer I give him.
I treat people as I would like to be treated but some push you to your limits. Not naming any names but a certain person was broadcasting in Altas Park bragging how he power levelled to 50 playing scissors paper rock in Dreck and abusing low level players. This was compounded by another player of the same SG who ruined a Hami raid saying they were misunderstood and laughing about wasting my time and effort.
If you saw this behaviour in real life would you try and understand them? or just write them off as a waste of time and space? I know what I would do.
People all play this game differently and I have a live and let live attitude to things, but when it spoils my fun time and upsets people all round I'm afraid I'm short on sympathy.
As for the age issue, we have SG and coalition members who are teenage boys and they are nothing but polite, respectful and a pleasure to team with. It is not an excuse to be rude and nasty.
Jackie Sparrow Defiant Goonie!
I want to be the minority
I don't need your authority
Down with the moral majority
'Cause I want to be the minority
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I treat people as I would like to be treated but some push you to your limits. Not naming any names but a certain person was broadcasting in Altas Park bragging how he power levelled to 50 playing scissors paper rock in Dreck and abusing low level players. This was compounded by another player of the same SG who ruined a Hami raid saying they were misunderstood and laughing about wasting my time and effort.
If you saw this behaviour in real life would you try and understand them? or just write them off as a waste of time and space? I know what I would do.
People all play this game differently and I have a live and let live attitude to things, but when it spoils my fun time and upsets people all round I'm afraid I'm short on sympathy.
As for the age issue, we have SG and coalition members who are teenage boys and they are nothing but polite, respectful and a pleasure to team with. It is not an excuse to be rude and nasty.
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hmmm and on this you are right...remember i merely tried make him change attitude and see if it was all due to abuse..if he not understand he is worth of his own fate....and i agree with JAckie age no excuse...is just a factor that sometimes come in play...
I havent had much contact with other than seeing his arena chat since the last Hammi. I generally just leave him. Once again though being 15 yrs old is no excuse though. Xanthus is also correct in how he carries on provoking trouble. As I say I leave him as a rule. Cut off attention from attention seekers and they soon become humble.
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I treat people as I would like to be treated but some push you to your limits. Not naming any names but a certain person was broadcasting in Altas Park bragging how he power levelled to 50 playing scissors paper rock in Dreck and abusing low level players. This was compounded by another player of the same SG who ruined a Hami raid saying they were misunderstood and laughing about wasting my time and effort.
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Totally off topic but I remember you from my first week of CoH 
You had the misfortune to team with my gimped blaster in the Hollows (being controlled by a n00b didnt help ). Anyway you were part of the first really good teams I was ever on, gave me advice and encouragement and inspired me to go and make an empathy defender, so a quick thanks from me.
I've not been too involved in the higher levels of COH, slowly building my main up, so forgive me adding my tuppence worth as someone not too involved in this whole debate or had any encounters with Lui. Tho I have seen some of it on arena chat.
I'm not a power leveler myself as I get too much enjoyment of getting the most I can out of COH and personnaly don't like them but its part of any MMRPG. I tend to work on a live and let live basis as long as they dont get abusive or try to take adantage of you.
Reading thro the post it sounds like its what Lui is saying is the biggest cause of aggravation.
I'm with TG on this one in that while i think age is no excuse its certainly a factor. Teenagers around his age tend to feel small when in groups of older people and so tend to overcompensate and try to act big to fit in. And naturally when people respond to this will get defensive and go to the 'get them before they get you' attitude.
I think all TG is trying to say that he thinks much of Lui's attitude is a reaction to waht people say to him and the rest is just the lack of maturity of many teenagers, i guess based on the conversations he had with him. And therefore to test this theory out TG is suggesting that everybody lays of him for a while and see if he does change his attitude. If not then fair enough.
I for one if i encounter him will give him a chance and try to take any rubbish from him on the chin like the mature adult i pretend to be 
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Vig'rid - L50 BS/SR Scrapper
Captain in [color=Blue]The Divine Syndicate [/color]
Ka'moon - L27 FF/PSI Defender
Captain in [color=red]The Protangonists[/color]
just to clear this out i dont say what people should or anything i am no expert or anyone to say what people should i just request and hope people lay off him,and most have already done that. Thats all...However if he at times needs to be put in place he should be put in place in a way thats not abusive but still he realise what go on. I try do that exactly.
Not a flame here Vigrid as you are trying to be a decent man and thats perfectly alright by me. But its not really limited to what he says or down to juvenile high jinks.
I think you would have to be there to witness some of the things he does then you might get the bigger picture.
Its not simply a case of he spouts trash and get shot down causing him to respond like that teen from Harry Enfield. He actually goes out his way to cause ruptions and actually plans them well in advance. Thats when he really get people backs up.
I stand by what I said in my earlier post on this subject. That lots of other more worthwhile and genuinely misunderstood players deserve more of a chance than this guy. I hope more people are given the break that some are prepared to give Lui.
i really dont know how to respond to this....
I hav played with Lui and his alts several times. i like CoH (still) and give every1 a chance. Repeatedly; i hav been nothing but civil to him; and hav always had abuse. Eventhough he considers me a friend (cpt Chicken). Dont think he means it; but it does make for an unpleasant playing experience. And gameplay, if not for anything else - is abt the fun.
Like I said though, I hav a lot of latitude for peeps; and hav not put him on ignore, but he is certainly pushing hard!
I am all for 2nd chances TG; but i hav given him repeated chances, IMHO i think peeps will hav to accept him for who he is, or just ignore him.
Hav fun and be safe peeps.
Cpt CHicken
I hadn't picked up on that he trys to disrupt missions Lodestar. And I accept that i wasn't there.
And that certaintly would change my attitude as that just spoils the fun for everybody else. I play this game because its so much fun especially when in teams. My best experience in this game has been in teams and thats due to the players in the team.
And my apologies if i sounded that i was having a go at anyone, that certainly wasn't my intention.
I'll wait and see how it goes if I encounter him. I always try and give people a second chance even if they really annoy me.
Ive always found a really good comunity spirit in this game and like to try and contribute to that.
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Vig'rid - L50 BS/SR Scrapper
Captain in [color=Blue]The Divine Syndicate [/color]
Ka'moon - L27 FF/PSI Defender
Captain in [color=red]The Protangonists[/color]
Not at all Vigrid I thought you were being perfectly reasonable. Didnt come across as a snipe and I hope my comments didnt put you out of ease.
Cheers and you didn't put me out of ease. You had fair comments and a point I hadn't considered.
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Vig'rid - L50 BS/SR Scrapper
Captain in [color=Blue]The Divine Syndicate [/color]
Ka'moon - L27 FF/PSI Defender
Captain in [color=red]The Protangonists[/color]
Lol I cant believe it. An entire thread dedicated to Lui.
When I see him I just put super speed on and run in the other direction. Me and my sg got a little fed up. Now I just leg it.
On a serious note I think a lot of player problems can be solved by just letting people get on with it. Once they are out of your team leave 'em to it.
Hmm, second chances are fine, even third chances but fifth, sixth, seventh chances? I don't have the patience of a saint, he went on ignore faollowing an extremely annoying mission on Croatoa where he spent all his time flying around luring the boss away from the rest of the team. Since we couldn't all fly there was no way to follow. I'd have understood running away if you're getting plastered a few times but after being told to stay back and let the healers do their thing it gradually dawned that this was perhaps deliberate. May have been, maybe not. He's probably forgotten all about that one so no point asking, and to be honest I don't much care. He's on ignore and staying there, as much for boasting about powerlevelling (now what is the point of that?) as for his other antics.
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I think you would have to be there to witness some of the things he does then you might get the bigger picture.
Its not simply a case of he spouts trash and get shot down causing him to respond like that teen from Harry Enfield. He actually goes out his way to cause ruptions and actually plans them well in advance. Thats when he really get people backs up.
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When I first encountered Lui, My first character was lvl40(ish) and in Founders falls, I have only teamed with him once, yet that experience did cause me to be more fussy with who I chose to team with afterwards, initially, he was ver "immature" in the way he played, and presumed that he was most likely a very young adult, or a teenager, and just let that slide, however on coming out of a Door mission, only to be met by an ambush, a quote from Lui "Lets leave the ambush for some poor noob, that'll be funny" I found totally out of order, and not a community attitude. Speaking as someone who as a mere lv15 running through Kings Row inside the Police droned area near Blue steel getting flattened by lvl38 enemies, I found his comments soured my impression of him. 
Following that almost every person I teamed with in the following couple of weeks relayed that they had had incredibly similar encounters with him, and one person told me of a mission he was in, Duo with Lui whereby Lui left the other guy to clear the entire mission while just hovering out of reach of the enemies.
In my opinion Lui may well be just a teenager, but at the same time he does not have the attitude of a person who I would like to team with in the future.
If that attitude changes then I would possibly look towards giving him a second chance.. 
..but until it is a proven change then my mind is already made up.
"An open mind, like an open window, should be screened to keep the bugs out." - Virginia Hutchinson.
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Well I've had endless severe agruements with Lui but I'm going to stick my neck out & give him a break. No I'm not following any general consensus to this. I'm making my decision based on a change in behaviour he seems to be making. Lui seems much more intrested in the things the game has to offer, content badges etc, & I'm hoping he's finding it more rewarding & fun than the quick impatient rush to get levels. I think he's probably finding more reward in interacting with people more positively.
I've actually chatted to him a couple of times, & teamed with him to take down Lusca. I'm hoping that making this effort will mean he'll be more open to listening to other people & understanding what other people want from the game, or simply, it might lead to realising what personal impact certain behaviour can have on other players. If I'm prepared to meet him halfway, I'm hoping he'll reciprocate and meet me halfway, & with that in mind, I don't mind giving him a break at all & we'll see how it goes.
I really can't be arsed with more shouting matches all the way through a Hami' raid or whatever. There's worse morons & griefers out there. Shame they never seem to learn or actually stop to make the considerations that Lui seems to be making an effort with over the recent times I've seen him. Oh wait... they just leave the game for a few weeks & come back when it's all forgotten.
Edit: Oh, btw, I forgot to mention that when we teamed, Lui was actually good fun, & played well. He had a good idea how to use his character, & how to approach what we were fighting. Oh, and he healed me a lot ! Yay, thanks Lui!
Im not a lui hater.. never teamed with the guy.. i only know what he is like when he talks on Arena Chat.. can be mouthy and cocky at times but 1 thing that im getting tired of is the slaggin matches that go on the Arena Chat including heroes that i wont say the names of.. must be about twice a week this happens and im getting sick of it.
Like i said i dont know lui.. if i do get the chance to team with him when i get back to coh or if he playes cov.. ill give him a chance and see how he plays.. if he is a pain.. then the ignore with take play.. if he is ok.. then no ignore.... But for the sake of everyone that uses the Arena Chat and is getting tired of the [censored] that is said towards Lui.. Get off the Arena Chat.. its sad.. stupid.. and pointless.. and like i have heard so many times from lui.. if you dont know me.. dont have ago..
Plus.. if Lui does look at the forums and sees this post.. bit of advice my friend.. if ppl have ago on the Arena Chat.. tell them to get a life and you use the best thing ever.. /ignore <player name>.. as most ppl have done to them already 
I agree there too Spawn I really do. The arena does house some of the most innane crotch goblins on defiant. Not a night hasnt gone by this week I havent felt like disabling the arena chat. I only havent because of the decent people there. And yes the flame matches are the worst and most off putting.
Why people bother to enable it just to lay out abuse is beyond me. I dont mind this channel has a few jokes and stuff unrelated to arena but coming on and using people to bump your own ego by knocking others, inspite of past infractions is the height of sadness. It impresses only the small minded and ergo the lowest quality of attention. Its also bullying. And that goes for all game channels come to that and to be honest all forms outside the game too.
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coming on and using people to bump your own ego by knocking others, inspite of past infractions is the height of sadness. It impresses only the small minded and ergo the lowest quality of attention. Its also bullying. And that goes for all game channels come to that and to be honest all forms outside the game too.
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Sad but true..i fully agree with u on this
i'll be glad when total cat goes live and i can finally remove my arena chat tab.
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.. if ppl have ago on the Arena Chat.. tell them to get a life and you use the best thing ever.. /ignore <player name>.. as most ppl have done to them already
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I'd suggest a petition for harrassment. The volume of constant jibes & remarks from some individuals, made over a server wide channel is ridiculous. Keep your opinions & comments out of other peoples gametime & act accordingly please.
I read but chose not to post. You see I first met him early one sunday morning and he instantly did several no no's. Leeching, making excuses and giving attitude when he was not even prompted.
I know lots of people who gave him a chance and to be fair he has had more than enough chances from me. Including a chat I had one day in atlas with him. I just didnt want to see anyone become a pariah. I am certainly all in favour of giving someone a chances and encouraging their better side rather than punishing their bad side. Its been my bane that I am way too forgiving and over the years I have learned when to quit on someone. I appauld anyone who tries but He acts the way he chooses and that the long and short.
I know he is respectful on occaisions but its crocodile tears. I was playing alot with his original SG and agonised with my coalition as to whether I should bring it up. As things stood his own SG which had done more for him than anyone kicked him while I was there and I said hardly anything. I didnt need to.
His age is no excuse Im sure alot have already said and feel that way. I had him on ignore for a while and chose to just stay clear. But his actions on monday pushed it. I didnt see much of what he said and unignored for a breif moment due to peoples comments and put him back.
Now here is where I was at fault. I am taught that shame on he who lashes out. Greater shame on he who lashes back. I did that twice on Monday and I shpuld know better. So the greater shame was clearly on me I admit. I found no comic entertainment in any of that at all.
But when all is said and done the guy remains the way he thinks he wants to be. My experiance says that he is highly unlikely to change or at least anytime soon. There are some people on defient that have had bad reps and deserve a chance far more than Lui. Some have undeserving bad rep and some so called respected members seem to get more breaks than they deserve. Thas my 2 infs worth and a bit of pocket lint thrown in.