Hey, I'm a statistician and data anaylst at heart, as soon as I know they're there I have to go searching for the percentages...
I'm not saying the roleplaying that's going on at Galaxy Girl is rubbish, I'm saying it is not representative of the true variety available in CoH/CoV.
There really is a big difference. You might think it weird that I even point this out but having a wide circle of gaming friends means that I am sometimes asked about various games that I play. I convinced two of my friends to give CoH a try and they did. After reading up on the forum they went to Galaxy Girl one night and confronted me with the (in their and my view) low level of immersion and high rate of OOC the next day.
Some roleplayers are more into character development and an immersive environment. If you happen to belong to that camp you might think: "Holy cow, this game is NOT for me!" when coming to a GG meet.
That there are people (like the guy that wrote the guide) is important to point out. I'm sorry if I did it in my own tone and phrasing and people are offended, but you're really attacking me for having a different view on roleplaying. What I'm really doing is saying: "Don't worry, Galaxy Girl is not the be all and end all of roleplaying in CoH/CoV, so if you're as disappointed as I was, don't give up."
Like I wrote earlier, the percentage was clearly wrong, my mistake. Big mistake since everybody centered in on that single bit, leaving everything else basically untouched.
And don't get so annoyed with words like "better", "more", "higher" and so on. Everybody understands such terms are subjective to the person using them. Especially in written form. To me GG is not good enough.
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Please remember my point: Just because RP is light at GG doesn't mean RP isn't great elsewhere.
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Hmmm...
Well, I don't recall myself or anyone else here claiming that the RP elsewhere is good, bad, indifferent or involves chatting to llamas.
You, however, have made the unsubstantiated statement that roleplay at GG is 'light'. Some of the best roleplay experiences I have ever had (and I'm including desktop, live action, and computer moderated roleplay there) have been at GG, and several of those have been anything but 'light'. They have also been funny, great fun, and very surreal on occaision, but not always.
Maybe, just maybe, if you got off your high horse and actually interacted with people (perhaps using one of those social heroes you say you have), you'd find out there's more to it than OOC chatter. Perhaps, just maybe, some of that OOC chatter wasn't OOC, but was 'heroes' talking about normal things instead of just beating up villains. Perhaps, if you think chatting about normality is odd for a hero, your heroes need to have more depth to them. Unfortunately, since you don't want to roleplay with me, or anyone else at GG, because we are 'light' RPers, I'm never going to find out. That's probably a shame.
Disclaimer: The above may be humerous, or at least may be an attempt at humour. Try reading it that way.
Posts are OOC unless noted to be IC, or in an IC thread.
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Well, I don't recall myself or anyone else here claiming that the RP elsewhere is good, bad, indifferent or involves chatting to llamas.
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I find that llamas powerplay too much. 
Before this goes completely off track, you're all aware that I'm talking about RP at the GG location? I mean at/near/under/on the statue of the old girl. Not any derived roleplay that might happen following a meet at the statue (as I can't possibly say anything about that).
I just thought that was important as some posts have included what I see as references to other locations, sights, and expeditions. I'm just referring to the Galaxy Girl meetings at 9 PM.
If everybody got that I apologize for the redundant post.
No, we get where you mean.. We just don't see what you're getting at... Have you paid ANY attention to some of the very heavy plots that have been going on at GG in the last few months?
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Actaully, we're already completely off track, the OP wanted to know whether to go to Union or Defiant for RP.
Bridger, we seem to have lost our "unofficial Roleplaying server" subtitle in the board restructuring, can we have it back please.
Or a least a little flag to wave.....
Okay, I -have- to ask specific questions, since you're clearly not willing to come up with examples of the kind of thing you've seen at GG.
1: Do you think characters talking about mundane things like their daily lives is "light" or not "immersive"?
2: What do your characters talk about when they're not in a mission or otherwise trying to help people?
3: What do your characters do in their "off time"? Do you actually play that sort of thing out?
4: Do your characters become emotionally involved in any way with other characters? We've had character fall in love, get married, lose their faith in humanity, be arrested, even die.
You keep saying that we've attacked you for stating your opinion. Is it not a better statement of opinion to say: "GG isn't my thing, but others may enjoy it, I'm not one to judge", rather than, "GG isn't as enjoyable as the other RP in CoH"? One is stating your preference for something, the other is degrading what we do.
To be honest, you seem very unwilling to even make the effort to see what it is that we do. No-one off-hand remembers either character you've mentioned, and you blow your statements far out of proportion, making yourself look bad in the eyes of anyone reading this.
You can easily say "my friends thought GG was rubbish". That's fine, I can say "my friends think cars are rubbish". What does that prove? I don't know your friends.
Even if you could give us some specific examples of what you don't like about GG, it would help. And the reason we focused on your comments about the ratio of IC to OOC chat, was because it was the only point you stressed in order to prove your argument. And now, another forum user has proven that your assessment is clearly wrong.
You're right. This is silly. If what I have wrote makes you curious, send me a Private Message instead. I'll get back to you as soon as possible.
Union is your best bet for roleplayers.
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Okay, I -have- to ask specific questions, since you're clearly not willing to come up with examples of the kind of thing you've seen at GG.
1: Do you think characters talking about mundane things like their daily lives is "light" or not "immersive"?
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No. OOC is Out Of Character, hence my gripe is not with any IC conversations. As long as it is characters meeting it is fine but the moment there is an undercurrent of players meeting everything falls apart.
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2: What do your characters talk about when they're not in a mission or otherwise trying to help people?
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Whatever fits their personality, the time of day and the company he/she is in. Of course, if something drastic has happened in the common history between him/her and another character that will propably be discussed unless there is some psychological barrier preventing this.
At other times simple conversational topics such as the weather, a (made up) article in a newspaper or anything else comes up.
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No, I do not play that sort of thing out with all characters. I have a very cerebral character who plays chess. I assume he is doing this in his off-screen time but use it in conversation. I have another who is very good at folding origami, which I type out in-game as if she is doing it right then and there.
I have another who is a rapid columnist, always writing about stuff in the newspaper. I send those pieces of text to my friends via in-game Email (if they want them) so they can comment on them, and quite a few write replies.
Two of my characters are politically active, one is boring and very conservative while the other is enthusiastic and idealistic to the point where it gets enervating.
4: Do your characters become emotionally involved in any way with other characters? We've had character fall in love, get married, lose their faith in humanity, be arrested, even die.
You can't roleplay without emotional connection between characters. I have a character that is married and another who is a widow (since the player got sent to Afghanistan on military duty). We roleplayed the death of her character and it was very emotional. Perhaps because we knew that she would leave IRL as well. Ah well, that's not too immersive, but it worked wonders for the mood!
Having now answered your simple questions let me state again: If GG is not what they seek, other venues are open to the wanting roleplayer.
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As long as it is characters meeting it is fine but the moment there is an undercurrent of players meeting everything falls apart.
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The end of that sentence is a mess of bad grammar, so I'm hoping it was meant to go along the lines of "players meet and everything falls apart".
Yet you've given no proof. No examples, just ranting.
Come to GG tonight. I'll be there from 9pm as one of the following characters:
Nevermore/Alan Drake
Memory/Richard Karsten
Alcatraz
I'll have my logs turned on. It'll be a quiet night since a lot of the regulars I roleplay with will be busy for a lot of tonight. We'll see what happens, okay?
I'll let Wordy discuss your post with you. You don't seem to like answering me.
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Having now answered your simple questions let me state again: If GG is not what they seek, other venues are open to the wanting roleplayer.
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Where?
Genuine question. Whenever anyone posts asking where to roleplay, the non-RPers say "Union", and the GGers say "come along to GG, 9pm every night, you can also find some others who roleplay, I'm sure they'll post and tell you." That's the lot.
GG gets a lot of publicity from its players, because we like it. We know it isn't for everyone. We've known that since the first schisms. It isn't even always for me since I don't like some of the plots that get run. (Anyone who vaguely reads the GG thread should have picked that up.)
Thing is that the other 'venues' don't seem to make their voices known. The number of people I meet while out levelling who wander up and say hello can be counted on the fingers of one finger. I've never teamed with anyone who stayed IC through a mission unless it was pre-arranged. In fact, I've never teamed with anyone who has even attempted to be IC at any point in the mission without prior arrangement.
So... here I am, a new player, and I want to find roleplayers. Where do I go look?
Disclaimer: The above may be humerous, or at least may be an attempt at humour. Try reading it that way.
Posts are OOC unless noted to be IC, or in an IC thread.
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The end of that sentence is a mess of bad grammar, so I'm hoping it was meant to go along the lines of "players meet and everything falls apart".
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Now who is being immature?
I'm Danish, you're Irish (or at least your location says you're in Ireland). Let me see you do better in my native language. Until that moment I would be a bit more humble about correcting grammar or spelling mistakes.
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So... here I am, a new player, and I want to find roleplayers. Where do I go look?
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Allow me... to basicly prove your point...
Hi, welcome.
Union is the 'unofficial' RP server, so your best hope for roleplay would be there. There's also RP on Defiant (and I assume the french and german servers aswell) but can be hard to find.
In fact, RP is hard to find, even on Union.
On Union we have a nightly meeting. Heroes (and vilains and citizens) come there for various reasons. The main one being to unwind, or share/gather information. Come to the Galaxy Girl statue in Galaxy City, behind the Freedom Corp building (the one with Backalley Brawler standing in front of it) and say hello.
If your character isn't the type to go to a cassual meeting and you can't find one to 'stumple' upon it... My advice would be: RP... RP always.
You have a chance that others will join in, you might even find some 'regular' RPers.
@ShadowGhost & @Ghostie
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I'm Danish, you're Irish (or at least your location says you're in Ireland). Let me see you do better in my native language. Until that moment I would be a bit more humble about correcting grammar or spelling mistakes.
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Ah, I see. Fair enough, I'm sorry. Apart from those few grammar mistakes, your English is good enough that I had no idea it wasn't your native language.
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Edit: A long post that made little or no sense. I don't dare leave this here for Wordmaker to nitpick over.
Will return tomorrow. Hopefully then the spelling police will have refound some dignity.
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Actually, I thought it was a very good post. Probably in the wrong place since it'll get lost in the thread and the only ones who'll see it are those already involved in the conversation, instead of new roleplayers. You would have been better posting it in Roleplaying or Union.
Incidentally, I apologised for commenting on your grammar. I don't take kindly to the sort of comment you just made there.
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Union is the 'unofficial' RP server, so your best hope for roleplay would be there. There's also RP on Defiant (and I assume the french and german servers aswell) but can be hard to find.
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Yes, went for Union myself for the unoff rp bit. I found Vigilance to be far more lacking rpers than Union is, even if there is some. Vigilance's state probably changed too since launch. I think one advantage of Union is the various flavour of rpers you get, it would be unlucky not to find your (or yours).
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In fact, RP is hard to find, even on Union.
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The GG meeting are well known now, another way is to find a RP supergroup. I think there is more than a couple, each one usually having a different tone. You can even mix it with GG (don't complain afterwards that you play too much CoH 
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Edit: A long post that made little or no sense. I don't dare leave this here for Wordmaker to nitpick over.
Will return tomorrow. Hopefully then the spelling police will have refound some dignity.
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Actually, I thought it was a very good post. Probably in the wrong place since it'll get lost in the thread and the only ones who'll see it are those already involved in the conversation, instead of new roleplayers. You would have been better posting it in Roleplaying or Union.
Incidentally, I apologised for commenting on your grammar. I don't take kindly to the sort of comment you just made there.
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I'm sorry, that was very bad form. I'll remove it instantly. Like I hinted, I'm tired, I have been debugging all day and waiting for various tests to run. I may be a bit weird here at half past five.
Regardless of proposals presented, opinions sought, or points refuted, please can we all refrain from ad-hominem attacks, especially ones directed at named individuals.
In addition, retracting a statement and replacing it with an insult, regardless of provocation, might be considered to be inflammatory. Ninja-posting often occurs, and retractions can be followed by accidental further insults. Best to stay safe.
Thank you.
The offer still stands, come to GG tonight, watch or take part as you wish. If you can get past your dislike for people using OOC comments to inform others of disconnects, or other such things, you may find yourself enjoying it.
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Will return tomorrow. Hopefully then the spelling police will have refound some dignity.
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Actually, I thought it was a very good post. Probably in the wrong place since it'll get lost in the thread and the only ones who'll see it are those already involved in the conversation, instead of new roleplayers. You would have been better posting it in Roleplaying or Union.
Incidentally, I apologised for commenting on your grammar. I don't take kindly to the sort of comment you just made there.
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Okay, being the partner of Ravenswing I have something to say about this. Having also read through the entire post, I have the following to say, Kigran;
I am Dutch, I speak, as stated Dutch, French and English rather fluently and German on a conversational level. Nobody's perfect, we all make mistakes, the main thing is that we learn from the ones we make, rather then jumping to a defensive position. Sorry, mate, but what it comes down to in my eyes, is that you are using your native tongue/country as an excuse rather then a means to learn.
Also, the way you rant on about GG, and the un-edited post you sent in previously would suggest a rather unadulterated opinion that you do not wish to change. My suggestion to you, is to stop posting in such an offensive manner. To the others I'd like to say; If it looks like a troll, smells like a troll and sounds like a troll, it most likely is a troll and it's best not to feed them.
If you like to prove me wrong on this, Kigran, come back when you are open to contructive criticism and able to give that yourself rather then try flaming. :-)
And this bickering is one reason why a lot of people think role-players are mooks, or that certain types of role-play are inferior to others.
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Back to topic, there is rp on defient from my limited observations of both servers Id say theres about the same amount.
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And this bickering is one reason why a lot of people think role-players are mooks, or that certain types of role-play are inferior to others.
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Back to topic, there is rp on defient from my limited observations of both servers Id say theres about the same amount.
..roleplay but judging from my post no spelling
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*Sighs* I am not even going to try and explain this. I am tired of people forming opinions based on one single post. My post has nothing to do with roleplay, and I admit this, but then again, neither were many of the posts made by the person I aimed this at.
I will keep true to what I said to Bridger after his personal forum goof-up, I think I will stop posting here all together (unless it's funny). All it leads to is frustrations that, quite frankly, I can do without.
I bid you all farewell.
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Since you seem to want proof and numbers.
Taking a random recent date (6/11/05) and filtering the logfile to include only local and emotes, I logged 1502 lines of text, of which 1460 were IC, or, in other words 2.3% of all comments to Local were OOC.
I'd love to know where you got 80% from.
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Having a bit of a quiet day Hiki?
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.