I still haven't gotten an explanation for why Stalkers would even want Ice Melee, one of the worst damage sets going.
So, why?
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Thanx I love the entire concept of big icy arm spikes impaling ppl.
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I still haven't gotten an explanation for why Stalkers would even want Ice Melee, one of the worst damage sets going.
So, why?
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Dude just picture a pair of baddies chilling out in a hallway or a cave and one turns to the other, "Did it just get cold in here?" Suddenly BAM! IMPALED!!!!!
Nuff said!
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I still haven't gotten an explanation for why Stalkers would even want Ice Melee, one of the worst damage sets going.
So, why?
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I still haven't gotten an explanation for why Stalkers would even want Ice Melee, one of the worst damage sets going.
So, why?
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You make a simple mistake. Many people say "I'd like a Stalker Ice Primary." No one at all says "I'd like Tanker Ice Melee ported directly to Stalkers." That, I think we can all agree, would be terrible, and all attempts at assembling a Stalker Ice Primary out of Tanker Ice Melee so far have shown signs of heavy enough modification that making a whole new set from scratch isn't that much further off.
Edit: Imagining a Stalker Ice Melee set, I honestly look at a lot of the animations for Spines and Thorns. Anyone got a link to an animation of the Spines AS? Although a rehash of the Katana AS using an Ice Blade would be pretty awesome too.
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I still haven't gotten an explanation for why Stalkers would even want Ice Melee, one of the worst damage sets going.
So, why?
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You have an outstanding order for this posted somewhere where everyone who gives a [censored] can read it?!!?
Also, just cause tanker version of it isn't god mode doesn't mean it will also suck for stalkers. Elec Melee is a good example.. it is good for brutes.. but it is omfg awesome for stalkers.
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What's wrong with Tanker Ice Melee? Legitimate question here, I have no experience with the set, I'm just curious.
Personally I'd just like Stalker Ice Melee with the Ninja Blade AS animation and an ice sword.
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I still haven't gotten an explanation for why Stalkers would even want Ice Melee, one of the worst damage sets going.
So, why?
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How bout you giving us a reason why not!
Ice Melee stalkers would be awesome! Can you imagine my Ice/ Stalker named Permafrost Phantasm! He walks up behind you and you get a chill running down your spine followed by an ice shard impaling you through the back!
With a few buffs/debuffs it can be an awesome set.
Oh and before you bring up the fact that Ice would slow down the Fury buildup on Brutes...were not brutes! Let brutes deal with Ice...the game doesnt revolve around Brutes Fury!
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What's wrong with Tanker Ice Melee? Legitimate question here, I have no experience with the set, I'm just curious.
Personally I'd just like Stalker Ice Melee with the Ninja Blade AS animation and an ice sword.
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Low damage traded for good control. Possibly the lowest damage of any Melee set in the game... I'm having a hard time thinking of any others that could compare. An Ice Melee Tanker can play like a Controller to a certain extent, but he's going to take a long time killing anything himself.
A Stalker with a direct port would find himself particularly frustrated by the fact that his biggest single target attack (after AS) is weaker than a couple other sets Tier 2 attacks, his second biggest Single Target attack is a slow-recharging DoT (But also a Hold, which is nice), and that his Tier 9 answers the question of "Would Foot Stomp be all that great if you didn't have Rage?" with a clear and resounding "No". Also, all that Control I mentioned? A lot of it is wrapped up in Ice Patch, a zero damage PBAoE Knockdown that would almost certainly be the sacrifice to make room for AS. So a direct port would have crappy damage without the level of control that "officially" balances it out for Tankers.
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I'd suspect Frozen Aura would probably be the power to drop seeing as that's the one that does AoE damage. Granted, thematically speaking Frozen Aura seems like a more stalker oriented power with its freeze and flee style.
Honestly, if Ice is that bad, it probably really needs to be ported around just to get the kind of exposure it needs to be fixed. After all, is there any other set in the game that's restricted to just one AT? (minus MM pets of course)
EDIT: I guess Illusion, but that's mostly because the only other AT that could accept it gets very little inherent benefit
I dont think that we would want to get a direct from tank port to stalks, I would like to see ice melee and I would like to see Ice/ but as a new powerset not a proliferate.
I mean ice shortswords and ice punches that look like the Fury Claws! I dont want to just wrap my hands in ice and backslap someone, I want to cover my hands in spikey ice and jab someone.
If they buffed the damage would that make people happy? I would like to keep the Rech/Slow secondary effects.
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Greater ice sword isn't weaker then any other set's tier 2 power, it has a 1.96 base damage, while the strongest stalker first or second attack is 1.32. I agree ice is a lower damage set, but there is no need to exaggerate it's low damage.
Then if you compare to elec, since I hope they keep ice's aoe powers.
Tier 1 and 2 are the same. Tier 3 are cones ice does a bit more damage and has a larger cone, while elecs recharges quicker and cost less end, so it is a draw. AS, build up, and placate would be the same. I would also call frozen aura and thunder strike balanced. Thunder strike does extra single target damage while frozen aura does more aoe damage. That leaves ice doing more single target damage and control with ice patch, freezing touch and GIC, while elec having better aoe with LR and chain induction.
Now the trickier part which power the devs would change to AS, they could let ice keep control heavy, focus on single target damage, or aoe. It would be one of the last 4 that becomes AS.
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Greater ice sword isn't weaker then any other set's tier 2 power, it has a 1.96 base damage, while the strongest stalker first or second attack is 1.32. I agree ice is a lower damage set, but there is no need to exaggerate it's low damage.
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Pardon, meant Tier 3. Or rather, I meant Tier 2, but I unintentionally reverted to the definition favored by the community for another game, rather than the one accepted here. In this case, to specify the second window in which a new power becomes available, where the first two powers would both be Tier 1... not that that's actually applicable to Tanker Melee though, so it's failure on my part both in communicating clearly and in maintaining consistency in my internal logic.
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I'm still waitin for a reason not to offer Ice Melee to a Stalker!
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I'm still waitin for a reason not to offer Ice Melee to a Stalker!
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Because the devs would actually need to put forth some effort to Port it properly instead of just transferring entirely pre-existing sets.
Dont get me wong, I'd prefer Ice Melee on stalkers than Broadsword, but something tells me we're barking up a tree with no fruit.
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I still haven't gotten an explanation for why Stalkers would even want Ice Melee, one of the worst damage sets going.
So, why?
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Nobody here has to answer to you on this topic.
I'm all for being a smarmy dick to people that deserve it but I don't see how this deserves it. You might as well make some [censored] ascii art "pointing" at the suggestion forum while you are at it.
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What's wrong with Tanker Ice Melee? Legitimate question here, I have no experience with the set, I'm just curious.
Personally I'd just like Stalker Ice Melee with the Ninja Blade AS animation and an ice sword.
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Low damage traded for good control. Possibly the lowest damage of any Melee set in the game... I'm having a hard time thinking of any others that could compare. An Ice Melee Tanker can play like a Controller to a certain extent, but he's going to take a long time killing anything himself.
A Stalker with a direct port would find himself particularly frustrated by the fact that his biggest single target attack (after AS) is weaker than a couple other sets Tier 2 attacks, his second biggest Single Target attack is a slow-recharging DoT (But also a Hold, which is nice), and that his Tier 9 answers the question of "Would Foot Stomp be all that great if you didn't have Rage?" with a clear and resounding "No". Also, all that Control I mentioned? A lot of it is wrapped up in Ice Patch, a zero damage PBAoE Knockdown that would almost certainly be the sacrifice to make room for AS. So a direct port would have crappy damage without the level of control that "officially" balances it out for Tankers.
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I think you're being harsh on Ice/. It's not that bad especially if you realize just how much control you can get solo. It's almost overpowered being able to sleep a mass of foes and pick them off in near 100% safety.
The power I think they'd drop from Ice Melee would be Ice Patch. Reason? Ice armor has too many powers that need to be replaced (Chilling Embrace and Icicles need to go) so Icicles can be replaced for Hide and Chilling Embrace for Ice Patch.
Ice Melee would lose some control, yes, but it'd be gaining some solid single target damage. It's a fair trade and not much different from Elec Melee's situation and that is a solid set too.
Another thing I remember, Dark Melee use to be thought of as a crappy port to Stalkers. Everyone thought it's burst damage would be too low and losing Soul Drain would hinder the set. Guess what? It's now considered one of the best because it is fast, does good damage and has outstanding controls and debuffs. I feel a port of Ice Melee would be the same. Powers would be shifted, numbers adjusted and it will do solid AoE and ST with outstanding controls and debuffs.
One change I think will probably be made: Frozen Aura will probably have the sleep duration shortened but it's damage improved.
I highly doubt Stalkers will get the mass-sleep if Ice/ is being ported.
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I still haven't gotten an explanation for why Stalkers would even want Ice Melee, one of the worst damage sets going.
So, why?
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Dude just picture a pair of baddies chilling out in a hallway or a cave and one turns to the other, "Did it just get cold in here?" Suddenly BAM! IMPALED!!!!!
Nuff said!
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I would wish for an ice melee stalker primary with a modified chilling embrace. Make it -rchg/-spd with no aggro alert, and you set up this situation perfectly. If blasters can have a low damage confuse aura with no aggro alert, stalkers should be able to get a non-damage aura with no aggro alert. It would just *feel* right on an ice/ stalker.
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Ok I have an idea on how the ice melee set would be awesome for stalkers. It would use a few of the current powers and a few new ones of course. Here is what I think the set would look like.
Tier 1: Frozen Fists. Coating your fists in a layer of ice you pummel a foe with both of them. (use same power and animation as tanker version.)
Melee, Minor Damage (Cold, Smash), Foe: -Recharge -Speed.
Tier 2: Ice Blade. You coat one arm from the elbow up with ice formed into a blade and slash a foe with it. (Be much like ice sword without the goofy looking sword.)
Melee, Moderate Damage (Cold, Lethal), Foe: -Recharge -Speed.
Tier 3: Frost. You create a short cone of frost in front of you, that can frostbite a foe, and slows their attack speeds as they uncontrollably shiver. (same as tanker version)
Cone, Moderate Damage over time (Cold) Foe: -Recharge -Speed.
Tier 4: Assassins Chiller. You create a massive blade on your whole arm and impale a foe on it then it shatters causing massive damage. (Much like Ice Blade but a bigger blaade and you impale the enemy with it. Would use either the spines or ninja blade esque animation.)
Melee, Special Damage(Lethal).
Tier 5: Coldsnap. You Decrease the temperature of your body immensely for a very short time. increasing the intensity of all your attacks. (Build Up.)
Self: +Damage, +To Hit.
Tier 6: Placate. Allows you to trick a foe into no longer attacking you. A successful Placate will also hide you. This hide is very brief, and offers no defense bonus, but it will allow you to deliver a critical hit or an Assassin's Strike. However, if you attack a placated foe, he will be able to attack you back. (same as normal)
Ranged, Foe Placate, Self Stealth/Hide.
Tier 7: Freezing Grasp. You grab a foe and summon ice on them. Immobilizing them and slowing them. (same animation as Freezing Touch, except ice on feet rather than whole body.)
Melee, Minor Damage (Cold), Foe immobilize, -Rech, -Spd, -Fly.
Tier 8: Icy Arc. You summon blades on both arms and slash them in front of you in a wide arc. Slicing anyone in your wake. (Same animation as Eviscerate with ice arms.)
Melee(Cone), High Damage (Cold, Lethal) Foe: -Recharge -Speed.
Tier 9: Frozen Wrath. You summon up a pair of ice blades on your arms and Impale a foe for massive damage. then the blades shatter damaging nearby enemies. (Use the Energy Transfer animation with ice blades then make them shatter once they hit.)
Melee, Extreme dmg(Lethal/Cold), -Spd, -Rech. Delayed secondary Melee(AoE), Moderate dmg(cold), -Spd, -Rech.
there it is post your ideas.