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Whats the best chain for fire melee, FS-Cremate-GFS-Scorch?
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It is close but Incarcerate gives a higher dps with enough recharge in the attack chain. According to the forum gurus I can only tell you by feel
I have a gap in my chain I can still solo av's with my shield due to the 40+% in damage buff; but on test I went to Scorch due to the slight gap and my dps went up and I took down Marauder faster than I ever have today so I am going to respec him on live.
So the build can determine that as well
Pinnacle
Langar Thurs-Katana/SR 50; Hejtmane-DM/DA 50
Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA
So would Incinerate-GFS-Cremate-FS be better?
Incinerate > GFS > Cremate is the best but only slightly and it needs a lot of recharge to run gapless. Incinerate > GFS > Cremate > FS is only ~5% worse but only needs 1/3 the global recharge.
I always thought Scorch was better than FS? Is that not the case?
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I always thought Scorch was better than FS? Is that not the case?
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Well lets see
FS
ACT=1.584
Damage with 97%=228.4
DPS of FS= 228.4/1.584=144.2
So FS is 144.2DPS
Scorch
ACT=1.188
Damage with 97%=150
DPS for Scorch=150/1.188=126.26
So Scorch is 126.26 DPS
So FS is the better DPS attack.
"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time"- Chesty Puller US Marine Corps
Since best chain doesn't specifically imply highest DPS, I'll suggest Incinerate -> Scorch -> Cremate -> Scorch.
Compared to Incinerate -> Greater Fire Sword -> Cremate -> Fire Sword, it does 6.5% lower DPS, but uses 11% less EPS, which is a reasonable trade off for long fights. Recharge is similar, at +145% vs. +134%. The main advantage, though, is that it only requires three attacks instead of four, freeing up slots and a power choice for other aspects of your build.
Oh, and for fun, compared to Fire Sword -> Cremate -> Greater Fire Sword -> Scorch:
1% higher DPS
12.5% lower EPS
69% lower recharge required
1 less attack
So it's a win in every way.
To answer the but I thought we just proved that Fire Sword has better DPS reply, it does, and you can indeed swap Scorch for Fire Sword and chain Incinerate -> Fire Sword -> Cremate -> Fire Sword. However, you'll then burn 6.5% more endurance for only 3% more DPS, plus it will take +250% recharge instead of +145% recharge. So I wouldn't recommend it.
Anyway, if it were my build, I'd probably run either Incinerate -> Scorch -> Cremate -> Scorch or the top DPS chain, already mentioned by Norse, Incinerate -> Greater Fire Sword -> Cremate. It would all depend on how much recharge and recovery I was packing into the build.
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"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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Since best chain doesn't specifically imply highest DPS, I'll suggest Incinerate -> Scorch -> Cremate -> Scorch.
Compared to Incinerate -> Greater Fire Sword -> Cremate -> Fire Sword, it does 6.5% lower DPS, but uses 11% less EPS, which is a reasonable trade off for long fights. Recharge is similar, at +145% vs. +134%. The main advantage, though, is that it only requires three attacks instead of four, freeing up slots and a power choice for other aspects of your build.
Oh, and for fun, compared to Fire Sword -> Cremate -> Greater Fire Sword -> Scorch:
1% higher DPS
12.5% lower EPS
69% lower recharge required
1 less attack
So it's a win in every way.
To answer the but I thought we just proved that Fire Sword has better DPS reply, it does, and you can indeed swap Scorch for Fire Sword and chain Incinerate -> Fire Sword -> Cremate -> Fire Sword. However, you'll then burn 6.5% more endurance for only 3% more DPS, plus it will take +250% recharge instead of +145% recharge. So I wouldn't recommend it.
Anyway, if it were my build, I'd probably run either Incinerate -> Scorch -> Cremate -> Scorch or the top DPS chain, already mentioned by Norse, Incinerate -> Greater Fire Sword -> Cremate. It would all depend on how much recharge and recovery I was packing into the build.
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Well I am just doomed not to be as efficient no way I am giving up Firesword in my build that is my favorite Fire attack along FCS gerr I will just have to be in efficient I do not have quite enough recharge to run GFS >FS >Cremate >Incinerate >FS gapless so I went to scorch on test and did my Marauder fight I smoked him faster than the last time by dumping Incinerate for scorch so out of the attacks I have because no way I give up GFS or FS out of my build 
so if I have GFS; FS; Cremate and scorch what is the best chain in that build I will see if I can pull it off I only got to test one chain due to having to work last nigh from 10pm-4am plus travel time 
Pinnacle
Langar Thurs-Katana/SR 50; Hejtmane-DM/DA 50
Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA
Do not know the numbers but for fun I was running scorch >fire sword >scorch >cremate type chain I was hammering away at marauder before he got a couple lucky hits my endurance bar never ever moved and I had him at 1/2 health before he got back to back lucky hits
Just found that interesting
Pinnacle
Langar Thurs-Katana/SR 50; Hejtmane-DM/DA 50
Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA
Incinerate has amazing DPS and DPE, so I'm not sure how you smoked Marauder faster without it. Might be down to slotting or something.
Can you run the Incinerate -> Greater Fire Sword -> Cremate -> Fire Sword chain? It's a very good one if you can handle the endurance and don't have the recharge for something better, and half your attacks are swords.
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Do not know the numbers but for fun I was running scorch >fire sword >scorch >cremate type chain I was hammering away at marauder before he got a couple lucky hits my endurance bar never ever moved
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Worse DPS than any of the chains we've been discussing, worse EPS than Incinerate -> Scorch -> Cremate -> Scorch.
With your endurance bar never moving using that, you may be able to handle the endurance for Incinerate -> Greater Fire Sword -> Cremate -> Fire Sword (0.32 EPS higher before taking endurance reduction into account). It's like running one more toggle.
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"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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Incinerate has amazing DPS and DPE, so I'm not sure how you smoked Marauder faster without it. Might be down to slotting or something.
Can you run the Incinerate -> Greater Fire Sword -> Cremate -> Fire Sword chain? It's a very good one if you can handle the endurance and don't have the recharge for something better, and half your attacks are swords.
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Do not know the numbers but for fun I was running scorch >fire sword >scorch >cremate type chain I was hammering away at marauder before he got a couple lucky hits my endurance bar never ever moved
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Worse DPS than any of the chains we've been discussing, worse EPS than Incinerate -> Scorch -> Cremate -> Scorch.
With your endurance bar never moving using that, you may be able to handle the endurance for Incinerate -> Greater Fire Sword -> Cremate -> Fire Sword (0.32 EPS higher before taking endurance reduction into account). It's like running one more toggle.
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I am testing my issue has been global recharge or a lack of enough without losing my softcap and aidself.
I am testing different attack chain builds I took him down faster using gfs in the scorch build the last one was more for fun I knew that do less damage I was just testing a theory if I could damage him enough using nothing but scorch fire sword and cremate.
Endurance has not been the issue I was relooking at my entire chain since I was able to bump my fire sword by recharge a little here recently. I am still still one purple short from another 10% recharge now instead of two and my previous fights with the AV's had a gap due to recharge why I was looking at scorch over incinerate to have a gapless chain I will re-test the chain since I did bump up my fire sword attack a little
Pinnacle
Langar Thurs-Katana/SR 50; Hejtmane-DM/DA 50
Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA
This is one of my older builds that contains aid self. Defense is slightly under softcap for aoe (44.6%). Has enough recharge to run Incinerate -> GFS -> Cremate -> FS. Only uses one purple set so it isn't too expensive either.
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This is one of my older builds that contains aid self. Defense is slightly under softcap for aoe (44.6%). Has enough recharge to run Incinerate -> GFS -> Cremate -> FS. Only uses one purple set so it isn't too expensive either.
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i want nothing to do with tough weave in this build yes I know it is a sacrifice I have chosen to be different
Pinnacle
Langar Thurs-Katana/SR 50; Hejtmane-DM/DA 50
Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA
This is the build I will be going with on my Fire/SD, no purps & got 53% recharge. Does use 3 LotGs though & 2 Oblit sets. Wouldn't call it cheap, but not exactly expensive either. Doesn't have Hasten, but grapped Tough/Weave & Aid Self.
So im pretty sure it can run the Incin>GFS>Cremate>FS chain.
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The Only Token Black Guy
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Your mom's real name is Castle.
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So im pretty sure it can run the Incin>GFS>Cremate>FS chain.
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It can.
"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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i want nothing to do with tough weave in this build yes I know it is a sacrifice I have chosen to be different
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You will be very different but that's not a sacrifice I'd make. For one thing your S/L resists will be terrible (11-12%) and to cover the defense loss from not taking weave you'd probably end up needing either Maneuvers, which is even more of a strain on your endurance, or the pvp 3% defense IO which is hugely expensive on a secondary set that already needs to spend a lot to reach the top levels of performance that it's capable of.
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i want nothing to do with tough weave in this build yes I know it is a sacrifice I have chosen to be different
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You will be very different but that's not a sacrifice I'd make. For one thing your S/L resists will be terrible (11-12%) and to cover the defense loss from not taking weave you'd probably end up needing either Maneuvers, which is even more of a strain on your endurance, or the pvp 3% defense IO which is hugely expensive on a secondary set that already needs to spend a lot to reach the top levels of performance that it's capable of.
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yes I understand all that I taken at 6 AV's with the build I have maneuvers and assault. I currently looking at ways to tweak it to make it a little better I forgot about the enzymes when I built the thing but I think i found away to make it work my overall global recharge will still be 25% but I can boost cremate or incinerate by 20% for that attack by going with a Mako set over TOD and improve the acc of the power I boost my S/l from 12 to 17% range I give up about 60 hp and a little regen not enough to matter
Current build and yes I have a concept around this guy and his build
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Pinnacle
Langar Thurs-Katana/SR 50; Hejtmane-DM/DA 50
Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA
You don't have enough recharge in either of those to run Incinerate -> GFS -> Cremate -> FS which I assume your shooting for.
What you need:
Incinerate needs 72% recharge in it
GFS needs 133% recharge in it
Cremate needs 34% recharge in it
FS needs 0% recharge in it.
Right now you have:
Incinerate has 68%
GFS has 88%
Cremate has 88%
FS has 71%
This is using the second build you posted by the way.
If I do recall correctly the highest dps chain is Incinerate -> GFS -> Cremate. I don't know the numbers on it though, anyone care to comment?
Virtue: @Santorican
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If I do recall correctly the highest dps chain is Incinerate -> GFS -> Cremate. I don't know the numbers on it though, anyone care to comment?
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Incinerate needs 146%
GFS needs 237%
Cremate needs 88%
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Since best chain doesn't specifically imply highest DPS, I'll suggest Incinerate -> Scorch -> Cremate -> Scorch.
Compared to Incinerate -> Greater Fire Sword -> Cremate -> Fire Sword, it does 6.5% lower DPS, but uses 11% less EPS, which is a reasonable trade off for long fights. Recharge is similar, at +145% vs. +134%. The main advantage, though, is that it only requires three attacks instead of four, freeing up slots and a power choice for other aspects of your build.
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So, silly question here... to chain that three-attack chain together, you need to have a total of 134% recharge in each power (enhancement + global)?
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So, silly question here... to chain that three-attack chain together, you need to have a total of 134% recharge in each power (enhancement + global)?
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If your talking about the Incinerate -> Scorch -> Cremate -> Scorch.
Incinerate will need 145%
Cremate will need 89%
Scorch will need 74%
that would be enhancement + global recharge need. so take Incinerate you can get 90% enhancement recharge then you only 55% Global.
"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time"- Chesty Puller US Marine Corps
rooughly with the way i had that chain back when i did use it...i had incin with 80%rech with 77.5global rech...it was fun chain but also with pretty much the same rech you get to use gfs>incin>cremate>fs which imo is a funner and cooler chain to use.
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use gfs>incin>cremate>fs which imo is a funner and cooler chain to use.
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Same here, I really like that chain a lot. I like the look of all the attacks and it is fun to see all of the attacks back to back 
"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time"- Chesty Puller US Marine Corps
I'm not a big numbers guy, but I do have a high level FM/SR, and its worth mentioning that GFS is a REAL End hog.
I got to 33, was all "hey cool, I can run GFS-In-FS-Crem" and then quickly realised that just because I 'could' really meant that I really shoulldn't have, and should have put some more End-Reduction in in first.
Don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful chain, and I love my FM/SR (and am about to do the praetorian AV run with her) all I'm saying is that making sure there is enough Blue to go the distance is a bigger factor for this than any other set.
It was my experience anyway, and if i serve no other purpose in life, let it be to be a warning to others.
Whats the best chain for fire melee, FS-Cremate-GFS-Scorch?