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Just for the record my stone armor brute is 7 seconds away from perma hasten... While in granite form.. Runs faster than damn near everyone while in granite. (of course ss is faster) ... I have a simple macro that combines everything into reds and that plus my double rage, in almost always at damage cap... Not to mention the near perma hasten again... So I can damage as good as the rest of them... I'm done with the argument... Apparently none of you have an IO'd out SA. Go do some research in mids. Ciao.
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Double Rage is generally a bad idea on Brutes. Why don't you eat all those reds and not crash every 60 seconds?
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I skip rage all together when fighting the average mob because I get a steady supply of inspirations. Obviously I don't receive as many inspirations when fighting all bosses + because they don't die as quickly. So in certain situations I use all inspirations, rage plus inspirations, and sometimes double rage. Depends.
I won't be running hero stats because I'm not trying to prove anything other than survivability against tougher opponents that aren't Made specifically for my character. I have no doubt that your ss/fa brute is faster and better suited to fight premade fire enemies.
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I'd be happy to show data on my Brutes, plural, against many enemies on many maps 
Like Battle For Television, The Snake Boss map in Mercy, the Nemesis Platform in the Black Scorpion Arc or virtually any other Developer made non-AE story arc map
My point being that any Brute, driven by an experienced and skilled player, can handle any content in City of Heroes. There is no need burden yourself with the penalties of Stone Armor. However, if a player prefers to have the burdens of Stone Armor to make it easier for them that is understandable.
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no doubt you can handle non ae stories. No need to point out your player skills, I'm sure you are very skilled. I think you have missed my point.
I do prefer to make it easier on myself, because the burdens of stone armor have been negated. Just as I have said. That's what IO's are for.
People really try to make it harder on themselves? I personally like to walk into every mob with the feeling that I'm completely unstopable. If my daughter starts crying while I'm in the middle of 16 elite bosses or if I'm hungry and I want to go make a sandwich, I can. You?
Sure. It's not liked I'm tied to the chair or something.
I'm sorry. I was under the impression that we were trying to help the original poster decide on what was best at killing things as fast as possible. I got this impression because he said...
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I have a great single target DM/WP brute, but sometimes you want to get on a team and farm something or just generally walk into a pile of foes and have them die.
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People really try to make it harder on themselves? I personally like to walk into every mob with the feeling that I'm completely unstopable. If my daughter starts crying while I'm in the middle of 16 elite bosses or if I'm hungry and I want to go make a sandwich, I can. You?
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Of course I can. I walk away all the time. People are trying to make the killing go faster. That's the goal. We want more dead stuff. If you want easier but less dead stuff go Stone. I actually prefer it to be harder. The harder stuff is more fun, interesting and engaging to me.
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I actually prefer it to be harder. The harder stuff is more fun, interesting and engaging to me.
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Because I'm a compassionate person, I want to help you in your quest for harder stuff. And what's cool is you don't have to re-roll your characters! Just respec a couple of them and give me any purples or PVP IOs you have. I *guarantee* the game will instantly be more challenging for you, while simultaneously being less so for me! So we'll both be having more fun. It's a win-win, I tells ya.
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Galinda: I know! That's what makes me so nice!
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I actually prefer it to be harder. The harder stuff is more fun, interesting and engaging to me.
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Because I'm a compassionate person, I want to help you in your quest for harder stuff. And what's cool is you don't have to re-roll your characters! Just respec a couple of them and give me any purples or PVP IOs you have. I *guarantee* the game will instantly be more challenging for you, while simultaneously being less so for me! So we'll both be having more fun. It's a win-win, I tells ya.
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Curses! Foiled again!
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Freedom: Blazing Larb, Fiery Fulcrum, Sardan Reborn, Arctic-Frenzy, Wasabi Sam, Mr Smashtastic.
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People really try to make it harder on themselves? I personally like to walk into every mob with the feeling that I'm completely unstopable. If my daughter starts crying while I'm in the middle of 16 elite bosses or if I'm hungry and I want to go make a sandwich, I can. You?
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Of course I can. I walk away all the time. People are trying to make the killing go faster. That's the goal. We want more dead stuff. If you want easier but less dead stuff go Stone. I actually prefer it to be harder. The harder stuff is more fun, interesting and engaging to me.
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and that's why I stated ss/stone armor for boss farming.
Ss/fa and ss/sd for everything else. We got off on a tangent.
And of course ss/fa for premade boss fire enemies. Point for you on the challenging subject. Heh.
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Yup. I work at home and play between calls and am afk alot. Not sure why you would want to have the aggro cap of EBs since they give the same inf as bosses (in AE anyway but that is the only place you will see that many in once spot). You seem to want to make things harder than they have to be.
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Yup. I work at home and play between calls and am afk alot. Not sure why you would want to have the aggro cap of EBs since they give the same inf as bosses (in AE anyway but that is the only place you will see that many in once spot). You seem to want to make things harder than they have to be.
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hey, Smuphy fanboi, it was a figure of speech.
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I have a great single target DM/WP brute, but sometimes you want to get on a team and farm something or just generally walk into a pile of foes and have them die.
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People really try to make it harder on themselves? I personally like to walk into every mob with the feeling that I'm completely unstopable. If my daughter starts crying while I'm in the middle of 16 elite bosses or if I'm hungry and I want to go make a sandwich, I can. You?
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Of course I can. I walk away all the time. People are trying to make the killing go faster. That's the goal. We want more dead stuff. If you want easier but less dead stuff go Stone. I actually prefer it to be harder. The harder stuff is more fun, interesting and engaging to me.
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and that's why I stated ss/stone armor for boss farming.
Ss/fa and ss/sd for everything else. We got off on a tangent.
And of course ss/fa for premade boss fire enemies. Point for you on the challenging subject. Heh.
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No. I'm using anything but Stone else for all those boss farms too.
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Yup. I work at home and play between calls and am afk alot. Not sure why you would want to have the aggro cap of EBs since they give the same inf as bosses (in AE anyway but that is the only place you will see that many in once spot). You seem to want to make things harder than they have to be.
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hey, Smuphy fanboi, it was a figure of speech.
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Typical. When people cannot make an effective arguement they try and tear down the person. Just because in this case we happen to have a similar thought process does not make me his fanboi. If anything he is my fanboi. 
And I'm sorry but what part about what you said was a figure of speach? Because in context, I have never heard any of that as a figure of speach before.
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Currently farm lvl 52 bosses at the aggro cap. So no I am not used to just 1 or 2 bosses with the rest minions and LTs. With my aoe most everything drops about the same time and additional attacks would just be a waste of endurance. That chain with rage crahses and hasten crashes is a killer on the end bar.
You don't need granite to survive. There are plenty of other options that can be made just as difficult to kill wihtout having to have 5 purple sets and 2 LotG just to be at 0 recharge. Not saying it is useless. Just not very flexable. Go figure a big rock not being flexable.
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I don't farm, but if I did, would be farming for purples outside AE so mixed groups. My experience is taking standard +1/2/3 set for 6-9 (8 on unyield is effectively 9) mobs solo, and there with the mix of bosses and others, the AoEs kill the minions and lieuts, but ST attacks are needed for the boss(es). The occasional TF pool drops from bosses outside AE don't hurt either.
It's true. This game is NOT rocket surgery. - BillZBubba
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Currently farm lvl 52 bosses at the aggro cap. So no I am not used to just 1 or 2 bosses with the rest minions and LTs. With my aoe most everything drops about the same time and additional attacks would just be a waste of endurance. That chain with rage crahses and hasten crashes is a killer on the end bar.
You don't need granite to survive. There are plenty of other options that can be made just as difficult to kill wihtout having to have 5 purple sets and 2 LotG just to be at 0 recharge. Not saying it is useless. Just not very flexable. Go figure a big rock not being flexable.
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I don't farm, but if I did, would be farming for purples outside AE so mixed groups. My experience is taking standard +1/2/3 set for 6-9 (8 on unyield is effectively 9) mobs solo, and there with the mix of bosses and others, the AoEs kill the minions and lieuts, but ST attacks are needed for the boss(es). The occasional TF pool drops from bosses outside AE don't hurt either.
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Although I do have the platform farm and that one is fine with just AOE attacks as well. You heard up about 3-4x the aggro cap and drag them over out of LOS along with the boss. You get a constant line of minions and Lts running to you as you are taking out the boss.
On mainly overnights at work so teams are not great for me and I hate asking others to pad my mish.
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Yup. I work at home and play between calls and am afk alot. Not sure why you would want to have the aggro cap of EBs since they give the same inf as bosses (in AE anyway but that is the only place you will see that many in once spot). You seem to want to make things harder than they have to be.
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hey, Smuphy fanboi, it was a figure of speech.
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Typical. When people cannot make an effective arguement they try and tear down the person. Just because in this case we happen to have a similar thought process does not make me his fanboi. If anything he is my fanboi.
And I'm sorry but what part about what you said was a figure of speach? Because in context, I have never heard any of that as a figure of speach before.
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the figure of speech was ..."in the middle of 16 elite bosses"... meaning a very difficult mob that 95% of other players cant stand in the middle of and go afk.
You are for sure a fanboi.. deathagizer bunny?? jojo the bunny??.. you defending his stance every chance you can... heh...
typical? make an effective argument?.. try reading comprehension.
I would say you're an idiot but that might be against the rules of the forum.
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Ladies and Gentlemen the OP asked for help, not a bickering session. If one disagrees with another then fine, offer another case and point. Throwing around insults don't prove a point...it makes you look childish.
While I'm still working on my Fire-Fire-Mako idea, I have seen both SS-Shield and Elec-Shield in action. Both are impressive, but both can be expensive to maximize potential. So far alot of good points and ideas have been made. It is true that SS has a quick recharging PBAoE, but without adding patron powers...that's all it brings. If I am understanding the OP...and I might be wrong...he/she was looking for ideas for making a brute that is heavy in AoE attacks and such.
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I'm guessing they're referring to the way you used the term "figure of speech" then slammed another user for not understanding it the way you used it. The normal way "figure of speech" is used is as a label for commonly used phrases that don't make literal sense like "I caught his eye from across the room."
What you used was more of a hypothetical example, not a figure of speech. And thus it's annoying when you misuse a term then impugn someone else's reading comprehension when they don't follow.
I could be wrong, but that's my take.
Freedom: Blazing Larb, Fiery Fulcrum, Sardan Reborn, Arctic-Frenzy, Wasabi Sam, Mr Smashtastic.
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Ladies and Gentlemen the OP asked for help, not a bickering session. If one disagrees with another then fine, offer another case and point. Throwing around insults don't prove a point...it makes you look childish.
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Hold on a minute there, bub. This is an internet forum. As such, it is subject to certain inviolable laws including the inevitability that bickering over off-topic trivia will inevitably descend first to vitriolic personal attacks, then ultimately to being compared to Hitler. So, sure, we'll all listen to your commands, mein Führer! 
EDIT: more seriously, I just did an interesting personal experiment. I had an Elec/Shield that I invested heavily in so he was softcapped and had decent +Recharge bonuses. Ran lots of ITFs/LGTFs and a couple of respec trials with him. Super effective, great fun to play. The worst that could be said was a) Elec's single target damage is indeed nothing to write home about, and b) modest defense debuff resistance compared to sets like SR or Ice means that a couple of lucky shots by Cimerorans opens you up to speedy death unless you're reasonably on your toes and pop a purple to get your defense back up. So if the OP decides to roll an Elec/[anything], I predict much fun in his future.
Based on ThugsRus's latest brute guide for SS/SD, I decided to roll one up and transfer IOs from the Elec/SD to the new brute. The new character does pump out the AoE a little better than the Elec, and has the hard-hitting single attacks I didn't have before. So it's a good way to go, and I'm pleased with the results. On the other hand, Rage crashes with their -25% End and inability to do damage for 10 seconds are a pain in the butt and I miss how splashy and fun Lightning Rod was. Heck, I even made a mini-game out of seeing how many jumps I could get Chain Induction to do! So my SS/SD is more effective than my Elec/SD, but more fun? Nah.
Freedom: Blazing Larb, Fiery Fulcrum, Sardan Reborn, Arctic-Frenzy, Wasabi Sam, Mr Smashtastic.
And Sardan finally pointed out the most important factor. Fun. At that point speed does not matter. Me personally, I have fun by trying to see how fast I can clear a map. Others have fun by taking weak slow sets and turning them into actual killing machines.
I do not like Elec/ because of the inconsistant damage and the fact that the one killer aoe is on a 90 second timer.
I also do not like /Stone due to the need to overcome the speed, and recharge self debuf applied to it. Damage is less of an issue on brutes due to rage.
Others do not like the rage crash of SS and cannot get past it. Some love multi levels of protection from things like /WP or /Dark or /Stone. Others would rather have one main type of mitigation like SR, Elec, or Fire.
Once again, play what you enjoy and the the speed will be less important to you.
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You are for sure a fanboi.. deathagizer bunny?? jojo the bunny??.. you defending his stance every chance you can... heh...
typical? make an effective argument?.. try reading comprehension.
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Yes it is typical. Those that cannot make an effective arguemnt tend to use different tactics beyond the realm of normal logic and reasoning.
I.E. 2 people came to a simialar conclusion that opposes what I believe. They both have toons whith the name bunny in them. One of them must follow the other and write whatever the other posts to feel better about them self. It is obvously not because 2 people that can think for themselves came to a similar conclusion that differs from my own.
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You are for sure a fanboi.. deathagizer bunny?? jojo the bunny??.. you defending his stance every chance you can... heh...
typical? make an effective argument?.. try reading comprehension.
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Yes it is typical. Those that cannot make an effective arguemnt tend to use different tactics beyond the realm of normal logic and reasoning.
I.E. 2 people came to a simialar conclusion that opposes what I believe. They both have toons whith the name bunny in them. One of them must follow the other and write whatever the other posts to feel better about them self. It is obvously not because 2 people that can think for themselves came to a similar conclusion that differs from my own.
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this conversation bores me.. either way, you havent read all my post in this thread because i clearly stated my argument. I said fanboi simply because you defended a stance that did not need to be defended.. smurphys logic is simply illogical, however you felt the need to defend his stance.. atleast it seemed that way.
my point and undeniable fact.. nothing can take damage or withstand as much damage as a fully slotted, IO'd out, stone armor brute. with the exception of a stone armor tank. therefore the argument that was made against my post was pointless IMO. Sure any other well made brute can take on boss spawns.. sure fire armor can deal more damage.. very good points... but it wasnt my point.
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I'm guessing they're referring to the way you used the term "figure of speech" then slammed another user for not understanding it the way you used it. The normal way "figure of speech" is used is as a label for commonly used phrases that don't make literal sense like "I caught his eye from across the room."
What you used was more of a hypothetical example, not a figure of speech. And thus it's annoying when you misuse a term then impugn someone else's reading comprehension when they don't follow.
I could be wrong, but that's my take.
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thank you webster... actually, it means this:an example of figurative language that states something that is not literally true in order to create an effect.
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Just for the record my stone armor brute is 7 seconds away from perma hasten... While in granite form.. Runs faster than damn near everyone while in granite. (of course ss is faster) ... I have a simple macro that combines everything into reds and that plus my double rage, in almost always at damage cap... Not to mention the near perma hasten again... So I can damage as good as the rest of them... I'm done with the argument... Apparently none of you have an IO'd out SA. Go do some research in mids. Ciao.
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Double Rage is generally a bad idea on Brutes. Why don't you eat all those reds and not crash every 60 seconds?
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I skip rage all together when fighting the average mob because I get a steady supply of inspirations. Obviously I don't receive as many inspirations when fighting all bosses + because they don't die as quickly. So in certain situations I use all inspirations, rage plus inspirations, and sometimes double rage. Depends.
I won't be running hero stats because I'm not trying to prove anything other than survivability against tougher opponents that aren't Made specifically for my character. I have no doubt that your ss/fa brute is faster and better suited to fight premade fire enemies.
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I'd be happy to show data on my Brutes, plural, against many enemies on many maps
My point being that any Brute, driven by an experienced and skilled player, can handle any content in City of Heroes. There is no need burden yourself with the penalties of Stone Armor. However, if a player prefers to have the burdens of Stone Armor to make it easier for them that is understandable.