Skipping GFS is VERY viable. It's DPS isn't anythinh special at all. Less than Incinerate if I recall. What it does have if front loaded damage so you get that big SMASH at the start.
Other than that?
I skip it myself. 
Skipping GFS is ok like Powerforge said. With the attack chain of Inc>Scorch>Cremate>Scorch will be around 170DPS and the attack chain of Inc>GFS>Cremate>Fire sword can be around 180 DPS so your not going to lose much.
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Thanks P-forge and thanks for the numbers Brokenprey, I'll stick to the plan then 
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Skipping GFS is ok like Powerforge said. With the attack chain of Inc>Scorch>Cremate>Scorch will be around 170DPS and the attack chain of Inc>GFS>Cremate>Fire sword can be around 180 DPS so your not going to lose much.
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What's the difference in recharge between the two chains? Seems like one might be more low-recharge friendly than the other....
Lets see in the Inc>Scorch>Cremate>Scorch chain
Inc will need to recharge in 4.092 so that will be 144%
Cremat will need to recharge in 4.224so that will be 89%
Scorch will need to recahrge in 1.716 so that will be 74%
Now
Inc>GFS>Cremate>Fire sword
Inc will need to recharge in 5.808 so that will be 72%
GFS will need to recharge in 5.148 sso that will be 133%
Cremate will need to recharge in 5.94% so that will be 24%
FS will need to recharge in 6.072 and that will be 0%
So it look like a 10% recharge is the different in to attacks chains. Both don't seem to be high recharge chains because it is not hard to put 95% recharge in an attack so that would mean you would only need 49% Global at the most.
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Skipping it is viable, but I don't like too. Without it I feel like fire melee really lacks burst damage. And there are times when that's what you need.
I'm gonna throw in with the "You can, but I don't wanna!" crowd. Granted, it's not like skipping Head Splitter, but it would just feel odd to skip the T9.
@Roderick
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Ditto.
I always seem to find it useful on my builds so i take it. I never found it to be a deal breaker either way.
I skipped it. I use the Incin>Scorch>Cremate>Scorch chain. Since I took Hasten, this chain has been viable since level 26(I am 34 now).
I haven't found burst damage to be an issue. If I BU>Incin>Cremate>FSC, +1 Lts die, and if used on a boss, they are left hurtin' badly. The built up FSC also does nice collateral damage to minions at the same time. After the alpha I go into the ST chain for mop-up.
/SR makes a build inherently tight, and freeing up a power choice without losing but 10 dps is always a nice option, especially since the Incin>Scorch>Cremate>Scorch chain has better eps.
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Well guys I"d like to fit it but I can't find room in my build (see OP).
If I were an invulnerability master I would make it fit, but alas I am not... 
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I like GFS. I guess if you play a spreadsheet and need MAXIMUM XP/S then some folks say you should drop it? I don't know. I hate the sound effect though. HISS! FWOOSH! Sounds like a CoT ghosty thing. I like big numbers all at once, and GFS delivers that. Also one more place to throw in kinetic combats for that juicy s/l def.
No, no. You keep it for maximum DPS. But dropping it still allows for a very good attack chain with less of an endurance problem to fix. In other words, yes, you can live without GFS.
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I'm in the same boat...
That said... My current build don't have it. I had to find room for ET. It makes solo farming 52 bosses set for 8 a bit easier...
Um, GFS is skippable, but it's hardly "nothing special". Incinerate does indeed have a better DPA, but GFS is the 2nd best attack in Fiery Melee and has about the same DPA as Golden Dragonfly, Sweeping Strike & Midnight Grasp. It's also quite a bit higher than anything Claws, BS or Spines can do for ST damage.
Since Incinerate > Scorch > Creamate > Scorch does work so well, I do skip it on my Fire/Fire, but only with great reluctance, mostly cuz I go for S/L def cap and not the silly recharge that would enable a Incinerate > GFS > Cremate chain.
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... but GFS ... has about the same DPA as Golden Dragonfly
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When both do/don't crit, and GD only hits one target. But GD, like Head splitter, is a small cone that can hit multiple targets, and it has an increased chance to crit. So overall GD will have a better DPA than GFS.
But GFS is still freakin' sweet, and if it fit, I'd totally have it in my build on a Fire Melee scrapper.
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... but GFS ... has about the same DPA as Golden Dragonfly
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When both do/don't crit, and GD only hits one target. But GD, like Head splitter, is a small cone that can hit multiple targets, and it has an increased chance to crit. So overall GD will have a better DPA than GFS.
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Both, very good points, and Sweeping Strike can be part of a combo to increase its overall DPA as well. I just wanted to illustrate that GFS falls pretty high up the scrapper food chain.
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But GFS is still freakin' sweet, and if it fit, I'd totally have it in my build on a Fire Melee scrapper.
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Yup, pretty much.
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Damn now I want GFS. Any suggestions on my posted build (see OP) to fit it in?
Thanks!
I would drop Resist Elements personally, or one of the other passives. I just took a quick peek at your build so I think losing RE and the reactive set would only take away a puny res buff and small def bonuses that you won't really miss. I would think that's worth GFS if you want it.
@Rakin
"You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up they would pound each other behind the barn." - Mike Goldberg
Thanks Rakin, I went with your suggestion and took 1 slot out of scorch and aid self to 5-slot GFS. Now I have 44.9% s/l def with 1 foe in range, I guess it's better than the 41% from before even though my f/c went down a bit
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Another suggestion would be to drop your travel power.
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Awww that's be too painful for me on any build that isn't SR (because SR has great runspeed with slotted quickness+swift). I want this to be an AV killer and AE farmer but also doing normal missions, TFs and such.
I was wondering, is it good DPS if I skip GFS and chain Scorch-Cremate-Incinerate (and scorch in the gaps if any)?
Also would it be possible to chain them without gaps in this build?
Thanks in advance!
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01 fm inv scrap: Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Secondary Power Set: Invulnerability
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Medicine
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Scorch -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(7)
Level 1: Resist Physical Damage -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(7), RctvArm-ResDam(9), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(9)
Level 2: Cremate -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(11), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(11), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(13), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 4: Temp Invulnerability -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(15), RctvArm-ResDam(17), RctvArm-EndRdx(17), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(19)
Level 6: Dull Pain -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(19), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(21), Dct'dW-Heal(21), Dct'dW-Rchg(23)
Level 8: Build Up -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(23), RechRdx-I(25)
Level 10: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Zephyr-Travel(25), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(27)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(27), Zephyr-ResKB(29)
Level 16: Unyielding -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(29), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(31), RctvArm-ResDam(31)
Level 18: Health -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(31), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(33), Mrcl-Heal(33), Mrcl-Rcvry+(33), RgnTis-Regen+(34)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(34), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(34), P'Shift-End%(36)
Level 22: Resist Energies -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(36), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(36), RctvArm-ResDam(37)
Level 24: Fire Sword Circle -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(37), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(39), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(39), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(39)
Level 26: Incinerate -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(40), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(40), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 28: Invincibility -- HO:Cyto(A), HO:Cyto(42), LkGmblr-Rchg+(43)
Level 30: Aid Other -- Heal-I(A)
Level 32: Aid Self -- IntRdx-I(A), IntRdx-I(43), Numna-Heal/Rchg(43), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Numna-Heal(45)
Level 35: Tough Hide -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(45), LkGmblr-Rchg+(46)
Level 38: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 41: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(46), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(46), RctvArm-ResDam(48)
Level 44: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(48), LkGmblr-Rchg+(48)
Level 47: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 49: Resist Elements -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(50), Aegis-ResDam(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
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