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Altoholic is not sarcastic. He (although sometimes I wonder about that) is really and truly convinced that doing anything outside of how it's "suppsoed" to be done is an exploit. It's quite laughable and really pathetic.
@macskull, @Not Mac | XBL: macskull | Steam: macskull | Skype: macskull
"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
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anti-farming people need to take a step back and stop flying off the handle any time uses the word "Farm".
Farms are not bad. I farm RWZ on my Fire/SS when I have nothing to do. Yes, I run beck and fourth killing Rikti over and over...O...M.....G!!!!
Farmin is not bad. It is the results of farming that can cause problems. Power leveling to eBay characters, RMT, and that type of stuff. The solution is not to stop farming however, it is to stop these unwanted results.
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I presented my reasons. Farming was never something the devs meant to happen. They've done what they can to stop it, and it means they must spend time on that instead of expanding on the game.
I can't figure how you mean "only the results are bad". It's like saying jumping of a cliff isn't bad, it's only the resulting impact that's bad. If the results are bad, you don't do it.
The plastic tips at the end of shoelaces are called aglets. Their true purpose is sinister.
--The Question, JLU
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Farming was never something the devs meant to happen.
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This may be true, but the very systems they put in place encourage it, even moreso now that there's "loot" in the game. People will take the fastest path to a reward. If they didn't want people to farm, they'd never have put in badges with absurdly high requirements (yeah, try getting the Empath badge in a reasonable amount of time without farming).
@macskull, @Not Mac | XBL: macskull | Steam: macskull | Skype: macskull
"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
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anti-farming people need to take a step back and stop flying off the handle any time uses the word "Farm".
Farms are not bad. I farm RWZ on my Fire/SS when I have nothing to do. Yes, I run beck and fourth killing Rikti over and over...O...M.....G!!!!
Farmin is not bad. It is the results of farming that can cause problems. Power leveling to eBay characters, RMT, and that type of stuff. The solution is not to stop farming however, it is to stop these unwanted results.
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I presented my reasons. Farming was never something the devs meant to happen. They've done what they can to stop it, and it means they must spend time on that instead of expanding on the game.
I can't figure how you mean "only the results are bad". It's like saying jumping of a cliff isn't bad, it's only the resulting impact that's bad. If the results are bad, you don't do it.
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Define to me farming in such a way as it cannot be used to describe the entire game focus for any MMO.
Farming is not only designed into the game, it is the while point of the game. Time = Reward. Efficiently use the time and you get more reward. That is what Farming truly is, and that is not a bad thing.
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I can't figure how you mean "only the results are bad". It's like saying jumping of a cliff isn't bad, it's only the resulting impact that's bad. If the results are bad, you don't do it.
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I meant some results. Thanks for trying to use my words against me but...well...no dice.
The point is people need to get off their high horse and stop screaming every time somebody posts the word Farm. I means more than just what you think it does, and outside of your mind it is not that horrible of a thing.
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One tanker build that i have found surprisingly effective at solo farming Cimerorans on the wall is my Invul / Axe tanker.
Capped resistance with Tough ( 90% ) renders Cims harmless and the axes powers Whirling Axe ( 10 targets ), Pendulum ( 5 targets ) kills the romans at a decent pace. Maybe not the fastest farmer but it is very decent and relaxing.
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STAY OFF MY WALL! 
inv/Ice /pyre
Two AoE's and one cone, Sands of Mu too if you want to count that.
Grab the upper level, jump down, and kill them all.
Most fun I had in game in ages. Found a few missions in AE that are fun though. Seems almost like I4 again in some of them.
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I run with an Ice/Fire tank and I LOVE him. With my
ice/fire I have some decent control with WetIce and
I'm never in end trouble with Energy Absorption. I also
enjoy Icicles for some extra PBAoE damage and taunt.
Fire speaks for itself with Combust and Fire Sword Circle.
I also broke into the Pyro Epics and love the Melt Armor
and fire ball, makes for a great big mob solo tank.
To carry you even deeper into start slotting purples
and full IO's. Fun for all.
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I meant some results. Thanks for trying to use my words against me but...well...no dice.
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No dice? Your analogy didn't hold up. "No dice" doesn't discount that. If a cause has a poor effect, one should not do it. It's common sense. My example was extreme, but still. If 'only the result are bad', why on Earth would you cause them to begin with?
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The point is people need to get off their high horse and stop screaming every time somebody posts the word Farm. I means more than just what you think it does, and outside of your mind it is not that horrible of a thing
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The point is, when an abuse occurs, there will always be someone to speak out. I have not 'screamed'. I have not posted everywhere 'farm' is mentioned. I made a passing comment and have been bashed for it. My opinions come from 'inside my mind', but the devs working to stop farming is not 'inside my mind'. It's very outside my mind. I am not alone in my opinion.
Outside your mind, there are those of us that think farms are the worst part of the game. The were never meant to happen. They are a shortcut, and they lead to unfortunate consequences (skewing of the market, elimination of badges, banning of story arcs). Just because they do happen doesn't justify them.
What's incredible about all this is, I made a short post with my (frankly, rather dim) opinion of farms. It could easily been ignored. Since I have had to defend this opinion, from those threatens by it. My opinion can't force you to my view. Yet you discount and fight it. The best thing one could have done is ignored it. Your very conviction to discount my words only strengthens my own arguement.
You can mock me. I still won't be wrong. because it's an opinion. They are neither right nor wrong.
The plastic tips at the end of shoelaces are called aglets. Their true purpose is sinister.
--The Question, JLU
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I presented my reasons. Farming was never something the devs meant to happen. They've done what they can to stop it, and it means they must spend time on that instead of expanding on the game.
I can't figure how you mean "only the results are bad". It's like saying jumping of a cliff isn't bad, it's only the resulting impact that's bad. If the results are bad, you don't do it.
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Farming has happened in every MMO and it will happen in every future MMO. Farming is something that should be done at 50 when the game content is exhausted, not when leveling up. Some people like the grind of farming and some do not. But know that the devs have put a lot of tools in the game for what they consider acceptable farming. Tools Such as the flashback system, the Newspapers still working at 50, being able to repeat the TF's even after you outlevel them and still get rewards, etc.
Farming for rescources is actualy a good thing from the developers point of view as it keep people playing the game who otherwise would have quit long ago. The main thing the developers have been going through great pains to stop is Power-Leveling and wholesale abuses of the Risk vs Reward Balance. Most farming I have seen recently involves an 8 Man Team with everyone participating with the goal of getting the Influence to get better IO recipies or the drops for them. Thats an acceptable farm as everyone is taking the risks for the reward.
Powerleveling is something the developers dont want, and when it gets stomped on is when it becomes so noticable that it disrupts the gameplay of other players. An example of Unacceptable farms is the Comm Officer/MEOW farms, they were nurfed due to a combination of Risk vs Reward being unbalanced and the fact that it was the most rapid Powerleveling in the game ever.
Ok, Ill play for now...
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No dice? Your analogy didn't hold up. "No dice" doesn't discount that. If a cause has a poor effect, one should not do it. It's common sense. My example was extreme, but still. If 'only the result are bad', why on Earth would you cause them to begin with?
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Some reasult....Read it slowly....SOME results. Did you get it?
SOME results.
Meaning not all. Meaning the ones that are not detrimental to the system. Ergo the "no dice" comment for trying to take my words out of context. I already posted my mistake yet you are fixed upon a now proven inaccurate statement.
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The point is, when an abuse occurs, there will always be someone to speak out.
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Why is talking about abuse? Farming does not = abuse. That is the point of my argument.
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What's incredible about all this is, I made a short post with my (frankly, rather dim) opinion of farms. It could easily been ignored. Since I have had to defend this opinion, from those threatens by it. My opinion can't force you to my view. Yet you discount and fight it. The best thing one could have done is ignored it. Your very conviction to discount my words only strengthens my own arguement.
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You replied directly to my general post. Therefore I replied to you directly. If you wanted your statement to be general you should not have replied to me.
Outside of your direct responses to my posts I could care less about your opinion in general. My post was pointing out that people jump on the word Farm without understanding what it is.
So again I will ask you to define farming in such a way that it could not be used to describe the basic function of almost all MMOs.
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Some reasult....Read it slowly....SOME results. Did you get it?
SOME results.
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I sense some anger...
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Meaning not all. Meaning the ones that are not detrimental to the system. Ergo the "no dice" comment for trying to take my words out of context. I already posted my mistake yet you are fixed upon a now proven inaccurate statement.
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Fixed on it? My response was for what was posted at the time. I didn't see 'some'(it might have said so, I don't go back and reread old posts for corrections after I've already responded).
I wasn't using your words again you. I found it didn't make sense. I used a simile to show how it didn't. You gain short term results, but long term damage.
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The point is, when an abuse occurs, there will always be someone to speak out.
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Why is talking about abuse? Farming does not = abuse. That is the point of my argument.
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Endless resetting a mission before it's completed is abusing the system. You're looking to save the day, but wait, I'll gonna reset time to get more practice out of it. Again and again and again. Farming is indeed abusing the system. Moving onto the next mission isn't.
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What's incredible about all this is, I made a short post with my (frankly, rather dim) opinion of farms. It could easily been ignored. Since I have had to defend this opinion, from those threatens by it. My opinion can't force you to my view. Yet you discount and fight it. The best thing one could have done is ignored it. Your very conviction to discount my words only strengthens my own argument.
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You replied directly to my general post. Therefore I replied to you directly. If you wanted your statement to be general you should not have replied to me.
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One must reply to someone to post on a thread.
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Outside of your direct responses to my posts I could care less about your opinion in general. My post was pointing out that people jump on the word Farm without understanding what it is.
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I know full well what it is. Play a mission almost to completion (or to completion and restarting for Architect), then reset and do again and again and again. Gaining as much benefit(XP, tickets, badges or what have you) from a single mission as possible.
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So again I will ask you to define farming in such a way that it could not be used to describe the basic function of almost all MMOs.
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I believe you mean [i[grinding[/i] Enlessly hunting down monsters and such when the regular quests putter out to get to that next part of the game, or that one item you wanted. Grinding is tedious and gets boring quickly(my opinion).
In CoX, we have indoor missions that we can keep to ourselves or invite a team into. It's our own little plot of XP to grind away in. Our own plot of land to farm away on--thus farming. Once one has played it once, they go back and do it again and again. After a while one is no longer playing, they're just going through the motions hoping to get that one thing don't what to wait to get in the long term. More effort is put into the shortcut than playing the game as designed.
now, I don't understand when we get new content, and now a way to MAKE content, so many make farms instead of a well thought out story. (I mean, most farms don't even TRY to make a story or even names--asdasdr? Yes, I've seen asdasdr as a contact.) Now the farms are splayed throughout the architect content. I'm hard pressed to find something that isn't a farm. 
The plastic tips at the end of shoelaces are called aglets. Their true purpose is sinister.
--The Question, JLU
Hi, I'm Kruunch and I like to farm.
*hangs head in shame*
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I sense some anger...
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Much like sarcasm, tact, and moral fiber, anger does not exist on the internet. I personally never take any discussion more than friendly bantering with the benefit of being semi-anonymous.
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Endless resetting a mission before it's completed is abusing the system. You're looking to save the day, but wait, I'll gonna reset time to get more practice out of it. Again and again and again. Farming is indeed abusing the system. Moving onto the next mission isn't.
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Here is where we differ. My definition of farming is the repeated hunting of a group or individual mobs to maximize the potential rewards gained. You are describing an exploit in the form of a farm, not all farms.
Counter example. I run around the RWZ in a nice circle hunting and killing the same groups over and over. This is farming, yet not exploiting.
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Then don't complain when you get a response. 
i have a fire/fire tank that i was gonna try to use as a farm toon. is the SD/SS/Pyre that much better?
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While I understand the "anti-farm" people...how many times do I have to go through the same content over and over and over to get a character to 50?
That being said...I also partially agree AE is ruining the game to an extent. Here is an example. Last night I was in a TF and the leader says he has a guy coming that sounded "new" the guy didnt know what a TF was. Sad.
If you wanna get people away from farming (at least the people who wanna do things other than farm at higher levels) CREATE MORE END GAME CONTENT! Makea REAL raiding systems..make differnt mobs to raid. Instances of raiding...make it for 2, 3, 4 , 5 teams whatever that have to work together. Make them need some kind of strategy to beat the mobs.
What else is there to do at 50? There are only so many times I can do the same ITF, TF etc etc before bordom sets in and I decide...mmm...I saw x with a right handed laser firing with exploding popcorn toon...wonder what it would be like to play one of those. Im tired of the grind...lemme farm one to 50...spend money on it and try it out. So here I go again on a farm...
The other problem I can see is if you need a ton of money for purples, pvp sets, whatever... how do you get that money...farm farm farm (80% of the people anyways) or manipulate the market (i.e. rip people off (ok that may be a TINY BIT extreme so sue me)
IDK what to do...jsut voice my opinion on what I see. I dont think Im wrong...but hey as my wife had told me Ive been wrong 3 MAYBE 400 times this week.
/e takes podium down and walks away
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Just wanted to say that this post is pure win on a lot of levels.
"Hi, my name is Ail. I make people sick."
A partial selection from my 50's on Freedom: Ail = Ice/Traps, Luck = Street Justice/Super Reflexes Stalker, Mist = Bane, Pixy = Trick Arrow/Archery, Pure = Gravity/Energy, Smoke = Fire/Fire Dominator
I enjoy a reasonable amount of farming.
My solo farm tank is fire/fire/nothing, as my targets are either Storm Palace brutes or RWZ Rikti, both of which have bosses. (I hate needing padders so I generally stay out of missions. In missions I'd just do battle maiden on my arch/mm.) With bosses in the mix, the extra single target attacks in my chain make fireball not worth the 3 power choices.
For farming,i acctually have to say a Fire/Fire/Pyre Tanker is a notch in the lead.
I used to play a pure fire tanker,and belive me,i could go into a mob ment for 8 players on invinsible and annyalate it.
I never ran accrossed another tanker or scrapper that could deal out the massive AoE damage this tanker can do,and most couldnt even touch the ST damage i could dish out.
Go pure fire.Theres no way from lvl 1-50 that you should ever face plant easly.
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Hi, I'm Kruunch and I like to farm.
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hold yer heaad up high young man!...you are doing nothing wrong!
To be honest there isn't much left in the game for the vets other than farming so these kinds of discussions are fairly silly.
But this isn't specific to CoH ... eventually all MMOs run out of novel content. Worthwhile recurring content is the bread and butter of a good MMO end game (which can be interpreted as farming *gasp*).
anti-farming people need to take a step back and stop flying off the handle any time uses the word "Farm".
Farms are not bad. I farm RWZ on my Fire/SS when I have nothing to do. Yes, I run beck and fourth killing Rikti over and over...O...M.....G!!!!
Farmin is not bad. It is the results of farming that can cause problems. Power leveling to eBay characters, RMT, and that type of stuff. The solution is not to stop farming however, it is to stop these unwanted results.