DB Question


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Posted

I look at the buffs for the DB attacks as they show up, but when I finish a combo (in this example Empower) all I see is the +dmg from Blinding Feint. Where can I find detailed information about this? What are the effects and how long do they last?


 

Posted

Right here.

The basic buff is 10% +tohit and 37.5% +dam. The combo portion is 3.3% +tohit and 12.5% +dam. The combo benefits are all listed under the combo ending power with the post script of "If Dual Blades ***** Mode **" on the effect entry.


 

Posted

Thank you so much. I had been searching for that for a while.


 

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I saw a post over in the Brute forums about an attack chain leading off with Blinding Fient. Lemme see if I can find it.


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I saw a post over in the Brute forums about an attack chain leading off with Blinding Fient. Lemme see if I can find it.

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BF>AttackVitals is probably the attack string in question. It doesn't really do much with Empower though, but that's partially because Empower isn't a particularly incredible combo.


 

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I saw a post over in the Brute forums about an attack chain leading off with Blinding Fient. Lemme see if I can find it.

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BF>AttackVitals is probably the attack string in question. It doesn't really do much with Empower though, but that's partially because Empower isn't a particularly incredible combo.

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Yeah, this is the one. Isn't this the combo used by the Patron Saint of Dual Blades?
/e Bow
Praise Be to Shred Monkey
/e Rise


Willpower has more passive regen than Regen does. Who thought that was a good idea?

Can we get a fix for Energy Melee instead of more new sets?

 

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I saw a post over in the Brute forums about an attack chain leading off with Blinding Fient. Lemme see if I can find it.

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BF>AttackVitals is probably the attack string in question. It doesn't really do much with Empower though, but that's partially because Empower isn't a particularly incredible combo.

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Yeah, this is the one. Isn't this the combo used by the Patron Saint of Dual Blades?
/e Bow
Praise Be to Shred Monkey
/e Rise

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I believe he uses a shorter one actually (BF>Ablating>Power>Sweeping), but it's impossible/really hard to get to solo without the extra 20% +recharge from Quickness in SR. You could feasibly do it with DB/Elec as well. The main reasons he avoids the Attack Vitals combo, iirc, is that Vengeful slice is atrocious for DPA.


 

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Ah, got it. Haven't seen him around lately. Just when I started my DB toon to. Phooey. Ok, I'm gettin delirious, off to bed now.


Willpower has more passive regen than Regen does. Who thought that was a good idea?

Can we get a fix for Energy Melee instead of more new sets?

 

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Shred Monkey uses Blinding Feint -> Ablating Strike -> Sweeping Strike -> Ablating Strike. To run it gapless requires +314% recharge, but it'll still do amazing things at +279% recharge (two ticks of delay in the chain). I wouldn't bother below that, as the Achilles' Heel stacking starts dropping off.


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Shred Monkey uses Blinding Feint -> Ablating Strike -> Sweeping Strike -> Ablating Strike. To run it gapless requires +314% recharge, but it'll still do amazing things at +279% recharge (two ticks of delay in the chain). I wouldn't bother below that, as the Achilles' Heel stacking starts dropping off.

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Good god, i'd like to see that build, it's all I can do to get it up to around 271 recharge in mids


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Ok scratch that, I got it to 282.5 but still, that's kinda far from 314 haha


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Posted

Here's 300.6. That plus a base empowerment buff would get you gapless with that chain. You'd be better off with a single-tick gap before each Ablating Strike and the Hecatomb set in Ablating Strike, though.

Also, I believe Shred Monkey was running it with a single tick of gap WITH the base empowerment buff, though I don't remember for sure. And he fit in Aid Self.

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My quick attempt. Slower, but has Aid Self.

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Wow, both really nice builds Ill have to work towards. Both of these are really good bulds since I was debating how to go about loosening up the build a bit. Playing DB/SR from the beginning has quite a few problems, above being very tight.


 

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Yes, yes it does. Not entirely sure how to improve on that. You could potentially sneak the Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration into Aid Other, I suppose.

Now, one question I've been kicking around; how would such a crazy single-target build fare in team play? For instance, say we go with either Werner's or Laevateinn's build. In team play, I would think that AoE's win the day, what with the larger spawns and all. Would Sweeping Strike be enough of an AoE threat to really be of use? Or would making some compromises and grabbing One Thousand Cuts or Typhoon's Edge be more of use? Or, to go a different route, picking up Vengeful Slice and using Attack Vitals religiously?

How do such amazing single-target damage dealing builds fare in team play? (And by the way, if you can in any way improve on the above builds, I would think that a worthy challenge to y'all out there! Great stuff!)


 

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306.3 With Aid Self and softcapped. Empty spot in tough is for PvP uinque and PvP proc for Sweeping Strike. Best I could do.

Totally stumped on how shred got these numbers before the pvp stuff came out.

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Yes, yes it does. Not entirely sure how to improve on that. You could potentially sneak the Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration into Aid Other, I suppose.

Now, one question I've been kicking around; how would such a crazy single-target build fare in team play? For instance, say we go with either Werner's or Laevateinn's build. In team play, I would think that AoE's win the day, what with the larger spawns and all. Would Sweeping Strike be enough of an AoE threat to really be of use? Or would making some compromises and grabbing One Thousand Cuts or Typhoon's Edge be more of use? Or, to go a different route, picking up Vengeful Slice and using Attack Vitals religiously?

How do such amazing single-target damage dealing builds fare in team play? (And by the way, if you can in any way improve on the above builds, I would think that a worthy challenge to y'all out there! Great stuff!)

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Regular team play, not so good. Task forces they help make short work out of most AVs but they tend to not shine so much on the way. Killing 1 thing at a time is very slow going when you are always changing targets. On the plus side you are always busy.


 

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Running on pickup groups all the time, I never felt like it was slow. Alternate builds with 1KC and Typhoon always felt slower - imho these powers require foes to be in close range to be efficient, and on the teams I'm on it just doesn't happen often enough. Add to that there's often other sources of AoE damage, and it's never been worth the trouble for me.

On the other hand, there's always room for ST damage on bosses, EBs and AVs, and even the occasional specific target you want to take down ASAP (surgeons, comm officers, sappers, radiologists, the list goes on).

That being said, I tend to believe players undervalue ST damage and overvalue AoE damage, so take my advice with a grain of salt.


 

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How do such amazing single-target damage dealing builds fare in team play?

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Although AoE probably rules the day on teams, I believe Shred Monkey reported great success while teaming. I imagine that he got good at positioning for Sweeping Strike.

Another possibility for a more team-oriented DPS build would involve swapping some slotting around and chaining Blinding Feint -&gt; Sweeping Strike -&gt; Ablating Strike. Put the Gladiator proc in Sweeping Strike. I'm showing that at about 5% lower DPS at the levels of recharge we're talking about, BUT you do Sweeping Strike more often, and it has a triple stack of Blinding Feint on it. Also, it tops out at 355% recharge, which is to say that when speed boosted, it'll do better DPS than the other chain on top of the better AoE.


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306.3 With Aid Self and softcapped. Empty spot in tough is for PvP uinque and PvP proc for Sweeping Strike. Best I could do.

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While it's fun trying to eliminate the gap, again, I'm not sure I'd bother getting closer and closer in practice. You knocked an extra 0.02 seconds off the gap by slotting five Kismets in Lucky, for instance. Looking at the build more holistically, I really think there would be better things to do with those slots.

Still, you HAVE indeed eliminated the gap if we include the base empowerment buff. That IS pretty awesome. Nice job.


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My main goal was to remain at the soft cap and at least 300% recharge and include aid self and conserve power. Not an easy or cheep task but it can be done.