Or just don't pick it and maintain your roleplaying integrity.
I personally like it in the set, and have no problem taking and using it.
There has always been a problem with highly specific pool power animations and concept. It's the reason so many people want to be able to choose animations for their powers. It's no different than magic based characters knowing they'd be more powerful taking Aid Self but not wanting the tri-corder animation.
Moonlighter
50s include MA/SD, MA/SR, DP/Elec, Claw/Inv, Kat/Dark, Kat/Fire, Spine/Regen, Dark/SD
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Or... They could add more sets for scrappers. But I'm not about to beat a dead horse. The idea of the power is good but it is a tad off from the scheme. They could have made goggles similar to the temp power but with the effect of foc acc since thats what they were going for. As far as skipping it for cosmetic/theme reasons... That would be kinda hard to do.
"All problems can be solved by throwing enough scrappers at it."
@Riez on Virtue, Protector, Champion, and Exalted server.
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Or... They could add more sets for scrappers. But I'm not about to beat a dead horse. The idea of the power is good but it is a tad off from the scheme. They could have made goggles similar to the temp power but with the effect of foc acc since thats what they were going for. As far as skipping it for cosmetic/theme reasons... That would be kinda hard to do.
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Take Caltrops/Web Grenade, Caltrops/Web Grenade/Shuriken, Exploding Shuriken.
Also, how does a gadget that hovers around you fit any less than a pair of goggles. Newsflash, both are gadgets/devices, not weapons.
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Or... They could add more sets for scrappers. But I'm not about to beat a dead horse. The idea of the power is good but it is a tad off from the scheme. They could have made goggles similar to the temp power but with the effect of foc acc since thats what they were going for. As far as skipping it for cosmetic/theme reasons... That would be kinda hard to do.
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Take Caltrops/Web Grenade, Caltrops/Web Grenade/Shuriken, Exploding Shuriken.
Also, how does a gadget that hovers around you fit any less than a pair of goggles. Newsflash, both are gadgets/devices, not weapons.
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I posted on this in issue 12, but at the time it seemed the initial plan to remove Web Grenade from Weapon Mastery took precedence over the oddness of TD. They ended up leaving Web Grenade of course, after many protests. How many of you objected?
Just the same a martial artist or ninja type hero would not have a drone hover about their heads going ema-loop, ema-loop and shooting laserbeams everywhere, but the power's effect of To Hit Buff and Perception Resist should be available to anyone taking Weapon Mastery, a martial arts based Epic.
Easy solution is to be able to choose the appearance/sound effect of Targeting Drone in the Tailor/Costume Creator screen. Which could easily be done if anyone cares enough about roleplay in a martial arts epic.
Quixotik
"I did not say this. I am not here." -Guild Navigator
I don't think a Web grenade really strikes me as a ninja thing.. To me that kind of thing is more technology based.
and if you want to stick with the "weapons mastery" then don't pick the targeting drone.. It's not really a weapon now is it, where as a grenade, caltrops, and shurikens are.
But I can certainly think of making a tech style scrapper (claws/whatever) whom has tech style blades (I've got a few actually) who just so happens to have a utility belt to toss a web grenade or some caltrops, while having a little personal assistant helping point out weak spots on an opponent hovering around.
What I don't have room for is "shrurikens" which are the size of my character's body..
Let's make them believable sized first. But see.. Since they don't fit my concept, my scrap won't take them..
Problem solved.
And I'd also like to point out that while your solution may seem to be the "easy" solution, the easiest is just not taking the power instead of asking for new programing to allow it to be customizable. Plus that, what would you change it with that would make sense for a martial artist?
Last time I saw ninjas being portrayed there wasn't something floating around their head anyway.
50s:
White Valkyrie - BS/Regen Scrap
Fear of Silence - Ninja/Dark MM
Corporate Zombie - Necro/Poison MM
Ardent Cataclysm - Stone/Fire Tank
Angelic Heart - Peacebringer
Maelstrom - Elec/Elec Brute
Novastar - Energy/Fire Blaster
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I don't think a Web grenade really strikes me as a ninja thing.. To me that kind of thing is more technology based.
and if you want to stick with the "weapons mastery" then don't pick the targeting drone.. It's not really a weapon now is it, where as a grenade, caltrops, and shurikens are.
But I can certainly think of making a tech style scrapper (claws/whatever) whom has tech style blades (I've got a few actually) who just so happens to have a utility belt to toss a web grenade or some caltrops, while having a little personal assistant helping point out weak spots on an opponent hovering around.
What I don't have room for is "shrurikens" which are the size of my character's body..
Let's make them believable sized first. But see.. Since they don't fit my concept, my scrap won't take them..
Problem solved.
And I'd also like to point out that while your solution may seem to be the "easy" solution, the easiest is just not taking the power instead of asking for new programing to allow it to be customizable. Plus that, what would you change it with that would make sense for a martial artist?
Last time I saw ninjas being portrayed there wasn't something floating around their head anyway.
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Yes, of course, the easiest solution is do nothing, but then why have a Forum for CoX if the goal is to do nothing?
And actually, Web Grenade is the exact type of trick a ninja would employ, as are Caltrops and Shurikens. All pretty low-tech to build and quiet when employed.
What would I add as options for Targeting Drone visuals/sounds? The ones from Kuji-In Rin, or Danger Sense, or even Temporary Invulnerability. Goggles would be a good option for some characters. Some players would of course keep Targeting Drone.
Quixotik
"I did not say this. I am not here." -Guild Navigator
The CoH boards are for people to moan and cry about something they don't like, completely disregarding any previously posted explanation about why the "issue" that bothering them is very difficult to adress or just downright impossible (Power Customization)
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I don't think a Web grenade really strikes me as a ninja thing.. To me that kind of thing is more technology based.
and if you want to stick with the "weapons mastery" then don't pick the targeting drone.. It's not really a weapon now is it, where as a grenade, caltrops, and shurikens are.
But I can certainly think of making a tech style scrapper (claws/whatever) whom has tech style blades (I've got a few actually) who just so happens to have a utility belt to toss a web grenade or some caltrops, while having a little personal assistant helping point out weak spots on an opponent hovering around.
What I don't have room for is "shrurikens" which are the size of my character's body..
Let's make them believable sized first. But see.. Since they don't fit my concept, my scrap won't take them..
Problem solved.
And I'd also like to point out that while your solution may seem to be the "easy" solution, the easiest is just not taking the power instead of asking for new programing to allow it to be customizable. Plus that, what would you change it with that would make sense for a martial artist?
Last time I saw ninjas being portrayed there wasn't something floating around their head anyway.
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Yes, of course, the easiest solution is do nothing, but then why have a Forum for CoX if the goal is to do nothing?
And actually, Web Grenade is the exact type of trick a ninja would employ, as are Caltrops and Shurikens. All pretty low-tech to build and quiet when employed.
What would I add as options for Targeting Drone visuals/sounds? The ones from Kuji-In Rin, or Danger Sense, or even Temporary Invulnerability. Goggles would be a good option for some characters. Some players would of course keep Targeting Drone.
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a shuriken and caltrops are WAY lower tech than something that explodes and is designed to lock someone in place...
If it was a smoke bomb, I'd agree, but the concept of web grenade really isn't ninja esq.
50s:
White Valkyrie - BS/Regen Scrap
Fear of Silence - Ninja/Dark MM
Corporate Zombie - Necro/Poison MM
Ardent Cataclysm - Stone/Fire Tank
Angelic Heart - Peacebringer
Maelstrom - Elec/Elec Brute
Novastar - Energy/Fire Blaster
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Sorry, but Targeting Drone dosen't fit Weapon Mastery. {snip}
Weapon Mastery is a Martial Arts/Ninja trickery styled powerset. Caltrops are very ancient, so are Nets, which Web Grenade fits into after a fashion. Shuriken and Exploding Shuriken, also martial arts/Ninja styled. Into this they add Targeting Drone simply because Devices has Caltrops and Web Grenade. And here I thought CoX was an RPG!
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Your first mistake is in thinking that weapon mastery is simply a ninja set. The idea behind the set is to provide tech/natural-based gadgets to supplement weapon-based scrapper sets. This comes not from the tradition of ninjas, but from the tradition of costumed heroes who utilize tools, skills, and gadgets to solve problems.
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Bottom line, if you want to restore some 'roleplaying' value to Weapon Mastery, change Targeting Drone into Uncanny Senses or like that and remove the Drone, or let us pick an Effect at the Tailor/Character Creation screen.
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Although I disagree with almost everything you've posted here I have to say that I am in agreement with you about the customizable effect. Most powers in the game are supposed to defy specific description. This is so you the player can justify their presence though the use of magic, technology, natural ability, etc as best fits your origin & personal taste. Targeting Drone really doesn't allow this, because you are locked into a tech-based paradigm by it. But here again, we get into the practical limitations of the game engine that are at the heart of the controversy of "Power Customization."
Nevertheless, Weapon Mastery is at its heart a gadget-based set. The fact that the shurykens are not shaped like winged mammals doesn't altar the fact that they belong in a utility belt. From that standpoint, the targeting drone is just another gadget in another utility pocket.
Finally, and most importantly, you really can't use RPG immersion as a convincing justification. If you're that concerned about breaking immersion, you certainly have the option of not taking it. Although a useful power, it's not an ability that one can't live without. If Targeting Drone is stressing you out to the point that it's breaking your immersion merely from being present in the set, then you are more than likely suffering from some mental health issues, and probably shouldn't be playing a MMO without be closely supervised by a mental health professional.
Why do I do do do things I do
Nobody was ever there for me to talk to
Once I was youngster, pure and true
Now I'm running with a sick, sick crew.
I think the only mistake is that the set is named Weapon Mastery.
T. Hayes
@The Cleansing
What are these caltrops you speak of? O.o
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It's an attack that has higher DPA than Headsplitter
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It's an attack that has higher DPA than Headsplitter
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It what!!? *Runs to go respec all his scrappers*
"All problems can be solved by throwing enough scrappers at it."
@Riez on Virtue, Protector, Champion, and Exalted server.
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a shuriken and caltrops are WAY lower tech than something that explodes and is designed to lock someone in place...
If it was a smoke bomb, I'd agree, but the concept of web grenade really isn't ninja esq.
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Depends on what you think Ninjas are. Ninjas employ tricks, weapons, stealth. Web Grenade could be devised and used by a martial artist as could Caltrops and Shurikens. Targeting Drone doesn't fit the roleplay theme of the other powers in Weapon Mastery, it was just available to be plugged in. One day it should be addressed in some fashion.
Quixotik
"I did not say this. I am not here." -Guild Navigator
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a shuriken and caltrops are WAY lower tech than something that explodes and is designed to lock someone in place...
If it was a smoke bomb, I'd agree, but the concept of web grenade really isn't ninja esq.
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Depends on what you think Ninjas are. Ninjas employ tricks, weapons, stealth. Web Grenade could be devised and used by a martial artist as could Caltrops and Shurikens. Targeting Drone doesn't fit the roleplay theme of the other powers in Weapon Mastery, it was just available to be plugged in. One day it should be addressed in some fashion.
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One could argue shurikens, smoke bombs, caltrops, nets and the like were the weapons technology of their "day". I look around Paragon and I see cars and trams and skyscrapers....maybe *my* ninja of this modern age would be smart enough to employ modern technology to aid in my quest for spreading good.....even with a silly drone someone crafted for me to help. 
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a shuriken and caltrops are WAY lower tech than something that explodes and is designed to lock someone in place...
If it was a smoke bomb, I'd agree, but the concept of web grenade really isn't ninja esq.
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Depends on what you think Ninjas are. Ninjas employ tricks, weapons, stealth. Web Grenade could be devised and used by a martial artist as could Caltrops and Shurikens. Targeting Drone doesn't fit the roleplay theme of the other powers in Weapon Mastery, it was just available to be plugged in. One day it should be addressed in some fashion.
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You do realize that Weapons Mastery wasn't designed for those that wanted to make a Ninja, right? It was designed as a thematic ancillary pool for the blade using power sets. It has nothing to do with ninjas or any specific character concept (which you seem to be operating under the incorrect assumption of). All of the ancillaries were designed to be vague thematic counterpoints to the existing sets. Scrappers had DM, the blades, and MA when the APPs were added. Dark for dark, Weapon for the blade sets, and Body for MA. Complaining about the Targeting Drone because you don't think it works for ninjas is like complaining about the Laser Beam Eyes and Energy Torrent in Body Mastery. None of them fit specifically with their root power set, but that doesn't mean you have to take it or that the animation/effect is bad.
If anything, a modern ninja would leap at the chance to use higher level technology than what they had available in the medieval era simply because they used whatever tools they had available. They would never handicap themselves by only using tools from a specific era.
I really think that you need to remove your head from your rectum and figure out that the APPs don't exist to make your concept complete. If you don't like how it looks, you don't have to take it.
(Also, they're not going to take up one of the 8 remaining costume option slots for a single power effect that you don't like. They've got better things to use them for. If you don't know what this means, you need to learn more about the problems with power customization before you start trying to make a fuss about it.)
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a shuriken and caltrops are WAY lower tech than something that explodes and is designed to lock someone in place...
If it was a smoke bomb, I'd agree, but the concept of web grenade really isn't ninja esq.
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Depends on what you think Ninjas are. Ninjas employ tricks, weapons, stealth. Web Grenade could be devised and used by a martial artist as could Caltrops and Shurikens. Targeting Drone doesn't fit the roleplay theme of the other powers in Weapon Mastery, it was just available to be plugged in. One day it should be addressed in some fashion.
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You do realize that Weapons Mastery wasn't designed for those that wanted to make a Ninja, right? It was designed as a thematic ancillary pool for the blade using power sets. It has nothing to do with ninjas or any specific character concept (which you seem to be operating under the incorrect assumption of). All of the ancillaries were designed to be vague thematic counterpoints to the existing sets. Scrappers had DM, the blades, and MA when the APPs were added. Dark for dark, Weapon for the blade sets, and Body for MA. Complaining about the Targeting Drone because you don't think it works for ninjas is like complaining about the Laser Beam Eyes and Energy Torrent in Body Mastery. None of them fit specifically with their root power set, but that doesn't mean you have to take it or that the animation/effect is bad.
If anything, a modern ninja would leap at the chance to use higher level technology than what they had available in the medieval era simply because they used whatever tools they had available. They would never handicap themselves by only using tools from a specific era.
I really think that you need to remove your head from your rectum and figure out that the APPs don't exist to make your concept complete. If you don't like how it looks, you don't have to take it.
(Also, they're not going to take up one of the 8 remaining costume option slots for a single power effect that you don't like. They've got better things to use them for. If you don't know what this means, you need to learn more about the problems with power customization before you start trying to make a fuss about it.)
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I wonder if the first ninja using caltrops got razzed for it....his buddies told him REAL ninja still use polished rocks and sturdy sticks.
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Whoa whoa whoa....where do you get off bringing logic into this discussion?! 
Excuses, excuses. I guess you can rationalize anything, but how about solutions? Like allowing players to change the Targeting Drone into something like a glow? Like you would when choosing which sword to use at the Tailor?
Quixotik
"I did not say this. I am not here." -Guild Navigator
A 'solution' predicates a 'problem.' You insisting on taking a power you don't want to have then whining like a child when it's the wrong colour is not actually a problem with the game.
Also, power customization. Please, do some research before you bring up tired old complaints.
Sorry, but Targeting Drone dosen't fit Weapon Mastery. Targeting Drone is a Devices/Gadgets/Traps power. Scrappers don't get more than a Sword or Claws and the Secondaries are also non-Devices oriented.
Weapon Mastery is a Martial Arts/Ninja trickery styled powerset. Caltrops are very ancient, so are Nets, which Web Grenade fits into after a fashion. Shuriken and Exploding Shuriken, also martial arts/Ninja styled. Into this they add Targeting Drone simply because Devices has Caltrops and Web Grenade. And here I thought CoX was an RPG!
Bottom line, if you want to restore some 'roleplaying' value to Weapon Mastery, change Targeting Drone into Uncanny Senses or like that and remove the Drone, or let us pick an Effect at the Tailor/Character Creation screen.
Quixotik
"I did not say this. I am not here." -Guild Navigator