How to get perma PA (ill/rad build)?

If you feel your build is effective, feel free to add it to the comments to my Ill/Rad guide, linked in my sig. I have asked for folks to post their ideas for perma-PA builds there.

You might want to take a look at my options for slotting Phantom Army, as the options I have listed include capped recharge AND Damage.

Right now I have my global recharge at 171.25% in combat attributes. I'm planning on getting either Manuvers or Superior Invis to mule for a LotG defense/Global Recharge 7.5%. so that would put me at 178.25% if the stat math is like real math (hehe). I still need to slot up my Efficany adaptors in AM so that would give me another 5%for a total of 183.75% Global bonus while AM+ Hasten are up. Is that enough to keep them and PA perma? I know i'm close right now it seems like sometimes they are perma and other times they aren't I wasn't sure if my wireless was making my system lag or if i'm looking away at the wrong time and missing some outside buff hitting me. I guess I can just sit somewhere and cast AM+Hasten+PA and see how long they all last....

To get PA perma you need to have PA recharge + activation <= PA duration.

Each phantom lasts 60s, but they're summoned 1s apart, so "total" PA duration would be 62s (from 1st phantom summoned to last phantom vanishing).

PA activation is 3.1s.

That means you need to get PA recharge to 62-3.1 = 58,9s.
PA "base" recharge is 240s.
That means about 307.5% recharge bonus.
Hasten + AM brings 100% to the table so you want 207.5% global recharge from IOs to get PA perma.

That is if I'm not mistaken.

I included AM and Hasten in my numbers. It seems like I almost have perma everything at 171.25% so i'm not sure if your number is right....

I got my percentage from Combat Attributes screen under powers.

I'm really not sure, just pulled my numbers from CoD (PA, AM & Hasten stats) and ran a quick math, but maybe I'm wrong...

240 / 4.075 ~= 58.9
That's where I pulled the 307.5% bonus from.

I hate CoH math lol!!!

Excellent thread! I don't have an Ill/Rad, but I've been working on getting my Ill/Kin to perma-PA, and it's been interesting to see what solutions people have been using here. I've gt her PA downtime to about 5 seconds now, with a 10% global recharge reduction waiting in the wings for when I complete her Apocalypse set. Yeah, there are a lot of purples in her build...but she's my solo AV hunter, so I don't mind, really!

Thinking about it now, I think the phantoms are actually summoned during PA activation?
Will have to double check ingame, would change numbers some.

Another thing too, if no one mentioned it, when you do get PA to perma, upon recast, the PA currently out will disappear, so for about a second there is no PA at all. Sooooo, from experience, if your PA are taking a considerable amount of agro, then until the new PA hits the enemy, then all agro is focused back on you.

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Another thing too, if no one mentioned it, when you do get PA to perma, upon recast, the PA currently out will disappear, so for about a second there is no PA at all. Sooooo, from experience, if your PA are taking a considerable amount of agro, then until the new PA hits the enemy, then all agro is focused back on you.

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Unless Phantasm has been good enough to send out his Decoy, which happens quite often. Phantasm's Decoy makes it very possible to have even a small gap away from "Perma PA" and still be effective, especially against single targets like AVs and EBs.

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It would help if you would post the data link on your build so we could pull it up in Mids ourselves.
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Consider taking Fire Blast. Not only does it give you a great attack chain in Blind-SW-Blast-SW, but it also gives you another place for a Decimation set. Fallout is extremely situational and very skippable. But if you are going to take it, you need to slot it up more. (I have it on my Earth/Rad who mainly does TFs, mainly just so I can say I have it and use it -- but if you want to see why I think it is extremely situational, take a look at my Earth/Rad guide. An Ill/Rad has other powers that will provide more benefit.)
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Accelerate Metabolism: Try the Efficiency Adapter set. The full set gives another 5%, but unless you have enough global recharge, you may lose out on its own recharge. If so, replace the EndMod/Acc with a Recharge. You lose out on the recharge bonus, but the other bonuses are good, too.
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No Deceive? It is very, very powerful. Plus, the Confuse purple set is one of the most affordable. 5 of them gives you 10% Recharge. Plus, the Contagious Confusion Proc turns the single target Deceive into Mass Confusion 1/3 of the time. Best proc for an Ill/Rad! I take Deceive on all of my Illusionists at level 4.
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And a personal pet peeve -- why do folks take Swift/Hurdle at level 6? There are so many better powers that will actually help you survive and complete missions at that level. Take RI at 6, or even Air Superiority would be better there. Hasten can wait until 22, Mutation is skippable and could be put off until 49 or forever. I prefer Superior Invis at 8 so it can help you run around in safety early.

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Sorry about the data link thing, but I've never been able to get those to work properly, so I didn't include one. However, I will add the data chunk at the end of this reply.

Let me reiterate that this build is intended for an ill/rad on the road to 50, not post 50, so the power and recipe choices are based on the most value to a team at the level range those powers become available while also benefiting the player in solo situations.

Now, I did consider taking Fire Blast over Fallout, but didn't have enough slots to dedicate to it, thus Fallout was chosen simply as a mitigation tool when a battle goes horribly wrong. I'm aware that Fallout is also under-slottted, but at least it has enough to be somewhat effective. I could probably take a selfish approach and replace it with Hover to drop in a LotG +rech, but as I said before, having 20 mil to spend on a single recipe isn't likely to happen any time durring an average hero's career... although merits are always an option, I suppose.

I also considered putting the Efficiency Adapter set into Accelerate Metabolism, but even though the bonuses are attractive, I was more concerned about the actual performance of the power. With only 60% global recharge (or 65% with Efficiency Adapter), I didn't think that would be enough to get the most out of AM.

Agreed that Deceive is indeed a powerful option (personally, I love the power) and is probably a better choice than Mutation. But, when you're the only psudo-healer on a team, getting others back into the thick of battle kind of outweighs the novelty of watching 2 to 4 enemies going at each other. Not to mention that the Contagious Confusion set isn't even slottable (is that even a word?) until level 47.

As far as taking Swift at level 6 goes, I look at it as a prerequisite for keeping pace with the team while on a mission map. The same philosophy applies to Hasten as it gets AM up faster and lessens the recharge of RI downtime. Also, do you really need SI at level 8? Sure, it's nice to have, but the truly nasty enemies start showing up around level 30 (Devouring Earth, Crey, Nemesis, ect.), where SI becomes more useful than just a luxury, right?

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Then you can use it with Mids.

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you want 207.5% global recharge from IOs to get PA perma.

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K, thought I forgot something... Slotting recharge in the power!
So assuming you get 97.5% recharge from PA slots (pretty good already), you'd need 110% global recharge!

This gives me about 2-3 seconds where I can recast PAs with my already summoned PAs. The downside is once you start the recast there is a good chance aggro will draw on you.



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illusionlad: Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Illusion Control
Secondary Power Set: Radiation Emission
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Psionic Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Spectral Wounds -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(3), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5)
Level 1: Radiant Aura -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(25), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(25), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Dct'dW-Heal(33)
Level 2: Blind -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(7), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(7), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(9), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(9)
Level 4: Radiation Infection -- DarkWD-ToHitDeb(A), DarkWD-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(39), DarkWD-Rchg/EndRdx(39), DarkWD-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(40)
Level 6: Deceive -- CoPers-Conf(A), CoPers-Conf/Rchg(11), CoPers-Acc/Conf/Rchg(11), CoPers-Acc/Rchg(13), CoPers-Conf/EndRdx(13)
Level 8: Accelerate Metabolism -- Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(15), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(15), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg(17), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(17), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(19)
Level 10: Enervating Field -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(40)
Level 12: Hover -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(36), RedFtn-Def(36), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(37), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(37), RedFtn-EndRdx(37)
Level 14: Fly -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 16: Superior Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(33), RedFtn-Def(34), RedFtn-EndRdx(34), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(34), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(36)
Level 18: Phantom Army -- ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(21), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(21), S'bndAl-Dmg/Rchg(23), RechRdx-I(23)
Level 20: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 22: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A)
Level 24: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(31)
Level 26: Spectral Terror -- Abys-Acc/Rchg(A), Abys-EndRdx/Fear(27), Abys-Acc/EndRdx(27), Abys-Fear/Rng(29), Abys-Acc/Fear/Rchg(29)
Level 28: Lingering Radiation -- TmpRdns-Acc/Slow(A), TmpRdns-Rng/Slow(33), TmpRdns-EndRdx/Rchg/Slow(39), TmpRdns-Acc/Dmg/Slow(43), TmpRdns-Acc/EndRdx(46)
Level 30: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 32: Phantasm -- HO:Nucle(A), BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg(40), BldM'dt-Dmg(43)
Level 35: Group Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 38: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 41: Mental Blast -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(42), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43)
Level 44: Indomitable Will -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Ksmt-EndRdx/Rchg(45), Ksmt-Def/Rchg(45), Ksmt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Ksmt-Def/EndRdx(46), Ksmt-ToHit+(46)
Level 47: Psionic Tornado -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(48), Posi-Dmg/Rng(48), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(50)
Level 49: Mind Over Body -- TtmC'tng-ResDam(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(50), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment



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