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I am new to the game,

level 43 Controller ice/kin/earth

My Goal is to be able to solo well crowded maps. Do some nice damage while being hard to kill.

I don't even know what are IOs.

Currently I just update my Single origins enhancement from my architect tickets and that's all.

Please can someone take me under his wings to show me how to become a real hero ?

Thanks for your time !


 

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Oh no, CoH forums are being infiltrated with WoW trolls...


 

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>>be able to solo well
>>Do some nice damage
>>while being hard to kill.

Roll a scrapper :-D

Seriously tho, I always recommend Scrapper to people new to the game. Nice damage, so you feel powerful. Survivability, so you dont get discouraged. Relatively simple attack pattern, so you can look around and see what other teammates/ATs are doing and not doing.


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My Goal is to be able to solo well crowded maps. Do some nice damage while being hard to kill.


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To do the above you want:

Primary - Fire
Secondary - Kin, Rad, or Storm
Epic - Ice or Stone


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I am new to the game,

level 43 Controller ice/kin/earth

My Goal is to be able to solo well crowded maps. Do some nice damage while being hard to kill.

I don't even know what are IOs.

Currently I just update my Single origins enhancement from my architect tickets and that's all.

Please can someone take me under his wings to show me how to become a real hero ?

Thanks for your time !

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Bottom Line: Ice Control is one of the two lowest damage powersets. It is really designed for slowing down foes so that they do less damage to you and your teammates, while your teammates dispatch them. Kinetics is an awesome set for buffing your team, but it won't do all that much for you unless you can do a fair amount of damage . . . which you don't do as an Ice controller. So, Ice/Kin is great for playing on teams, but not so great for doing damage.

If you want to "do nice damage while being hard to kill," as others have said, you should first try a scrapper. Then try a tank. Then a Blaster and Defender -- see what you like best. Don't be afraid to try lots of alts. I tried every AT before Controllers, then found that Controllers were my favorite by far. I have friends, however, who prefer, scrappers, tanks and Blasters over controllers.

On IOs: Have you done the tutorial at the University in Steel Canyon? Read everything there. Then take a look at some of the guides on these boards about IOs, sets and the market. Common IOs are the same as Single Origin enhancements, except that they never expire . . . as they go up in level, they get a little more powerful. I generally don't start slotting IOs until level 30 or 35. At Level 35, common IOs start getting better than SOs and they never expire, so you save Influence in the long run.

Get the Mid's Builder and play around with it. It will tell you a lot about what different IOs will do.


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I checked again all the powerset, cold and fire damage are quite close ... I don't believe it makes that much a difference ? Am I missing something ?


 

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I checked again all the powerset, cold and fire damage are quite close ... I don't believe it makes that much a difference ? Am I missing something ?

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Hot feet.


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I checked again all the powerset, cold and fire damage are quite close ... I don't believe it makes that much a difference ? Am I missing something ?

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Hot feet.

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and 3 fire imps


 

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Just to expound on the (correct) replies you've received as to the differences between Fire Control and Ice Control, Fire Control in many ways trades good control for damage output.

Rather than having mitigation powers like Arctic Air or Shiver, it has damage powers like Hot Feet. Rather than applying slow effects with its control, it applies extra damage. Fire Control gets three weak, high-damage pets who also deal extra fire damage rather than one stronger, control-spamming pet. Ice Control makes for a very safe soloist but not a very fast one. Like most Controller primaries, it's designed for control rather than damage. Fire is the exception in this respect.

This isn't to say that soloing or damage-dealing is impossible with an Ice Controller. You don't have to be Fire to do damage. But no other controller will do damage as well, all other things being equal, because damage is Fire's thing, its area of specialty.

I'd join with others in recommending you try various things, starting with a Scrapper, as that probably comes close to the laundry list of things you originally posted that you wanted.


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As others said, Ice just isnt that much of a damage dealer. However, it can be fun as all get out on a team. Especially with Kin as your secondary. The other thing is that having Jack Frost as a pet is like teaming with your buddies retarded 12 year old brother (no offense to any retarded 12 year olds or retards of any age - just an expression) - he just ain't very bright.

Use your Ice/Kin on teams and you will have a great time. For solo big mob pwnage, you need a different primary.

Stone as an epic is just that - epic.


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As others said, Ice just isnt that much of a damage dealer. However, it can be fun as all get out on a team. Especially with Kin as your secondary. The other thing is that having Jack Frost as a pet is like teaming with your buddies retarded 12 year old brother (no offense to any retarded 12 year olds or retards of any age - just an expression) - he just ain't very bright.

Use your Ice/Kin on teams and you will have a great time. For solo big mob pwnage, you need a different primary.

Stone as an epic is just that - epic.

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Stone is also epically ugly as it covers the majority of your costume but for utility you can't beat it.


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-I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
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I don't have an Ice/Kin, but it seems to me that Fulcrum Shift + Fissure + Seismic Smash + Jack should do a LOT of damage. The only issue at that point is surviving it. I think a well slotted Arctic Air + Ice Slick + well slotted Transfusion and some good defense bonuses from sets would take care of the rest.

Look into Lockdown for you Block of Ice.
Thunderstrike in Chillblain.
Blood Mandate or the High level Recharge Intensive Pet set for Jack.
Trap of the Hunter in Frostbite.
With Fulcrum Shift you might even go for Lock Down in Seismic Smash( I wouldn't but it would give a great bonus ).

With your recharge bonuses, you'll be too busy spamming those powers and your debuffs to need or want a pool attack.

Full sets of each of the above will give you pretty good defense numbers without wearing a poo-suit( Stone APPs armor looks awful I have to agree, I've never taken it. ) Learn to cast Ice Slick from behind a corner and let them get to falling down some before coming out and beating them senseless - that alone is the best trick in the book for mitigating the alpha.

If you have a Siphon Speed, Hasten, and the recharge Intensive Pet set, you could probably get away with summoning Jack to suck the alpha pretty regularly for when there are no corners.

There are plenty of good ways to mitigate the alpha and after that the only things that are going to give you serious problems are Nemesis Robots. Maybe look at Shiver as well to slow things to the cap for mobs that are larger than your Arctic Air spread.

Don't let people turn you off of your Controller. Or if you really want one that will be more survivable, then look at Illusion/Storm, Plant/Storm, or Fire/Rad - they are very hard to kill and solo well out of the box. You'll have to take and slot a pool attack ( I would go Air Superiority ) to speed things along at the start but you can respec out of those later if you want.

I hope that helps address your original questions and welcome to the game