Void Hunters as Villain Epic AT
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AkuTenshiiZero,
Posted on: 2009-05-09 14:41 in Suggestions and Ideas
Kinda meh on this specific idea myself, but that's because I thought the actual Void Hunters only had like three powers, the gun, the Nictus Punch, and their toggle armor.
Meanwhile, as far as general nits, I'll mention the same thing here as I did in the hero MM thread: The devs have stated they want to keep the number of available ATs balanced. What would be an accewptable match for Heroes?
Oh, also consider that the Devs specifically stripped out the extra damage from the temp power version of the Void Rifle that Villains have access to. Do you think that Player Voids should have access to the full power rifle, and if so why?
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Eh...
The Void Hunters are so focused (and have so few "tricks up their sleeve," as it were,) that... "eh" pretty well sums it up for me.
I think it'd have to have a *real* knockout of both backstory and character progression to sell it. And given the "story" we got with VEATs (IE, almost none, and what we did get being so pathetic they're not worth running) I've lost a bit of faith in finding "epic" storylines to go with an EAT.
Special against Khelds, yeah. And I'm not really backing this as the greatest idea, personally. Powersets? They all seem to use the Quantum Array guns, but I could see them going down another track (like SoA's) to make a Nictus Energy-based Melee Power as a split AT. Just an idea.
And to achieve parity: eventhough I dont think Hero MM's are a great idea. I could see an SoA-style class of Longbow Soldier to pair them with. Badabing! Make them akin to Vill MM's but calling up their own 'special troops' that work under command, and we might be able to get rid of the Hero MM forever. You are 'forced' to make only 1 type of minion/henchie in 3 flavors of course, but still Longbow. I am pretty sure something like that has been suggested in the past, but I wondered about Voids for VEATS.
Doggonit! I've never really liked the new AT suggestions and now I feel like I might be interested in fleshing this one out. Cursed Suggestions & Ideas!
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I suggest any new Epic AT's be rewarded for length of play instead of having a 50. It isn't a challege to get to 50 at this point and people PL to get there before their time. You can't cheat "months played" as far as I know.
It only makes sense to change this reward structure based on what has been going on and has increased.
I would honestly rather play a floating Eye-ball before a Void Hunter.
But I can see where a villain would want to be able to play a Void Hunter in PvP as they would be so disproportionately powerful versus a Kheldian - if they performed the way that they do in PvE.
Always good to look for something that is an advantage for you side rather than a game balancing or balance retaining factor.
Well, the Devs themselves said Epic ATs as a reward for hitting 50 was a bad idea to begin with, though they suggested unlocking new ones with Task/Strike Forces in the future.
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Like a 5th Column SF??? Just a thought. A Longbow TF wouldnt be a bad idea either.
And actually, Alt, that part was a bit of a joke. Although, it would be funny in my own twisted way of thinking.
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Special against Khelds, yeah.
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... absolutely not, unless it's limited to PVE mobs.
Wouldnt be much point to being a Void, but I get your point. As I dont PvP with my Khelds or SoA's or anything, I generally ignore it. Like I said, I see your point. But I'll let it die here. I was actually more along the lines of Suggestion-Question about whether they had been Suggested. Seemed like almost a natural.
Of course, I would rather have had Nictus for Villains too, and not some Kheld revamp because I dont see Nictus as just Khelds with a mean streak, I see them as different and not taking the 'forms' of their slave races. Just my opwn take of course.
Never even considered another Epic as unlockable at 50 (I read the Devs). And for you, Bill; I gotta agree on the epic of the Epic Vills... weak. If they are going to create new Epics; they had better have a story or why bother with anything no matter how interesting the powersets or builds.
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With the impending return of the 5th Column, what do you think of the Void Hunters as the next Villain Epic AT? <snip>
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Minor nitpick (and possible spoilers)... the 5th Column and the Void Hunters have nothing to do with one another.
The Void Hunter mercenaries are a sub-faction of the Council, and did not exist prior to their takeover of the 5th. They are enhanced with N-Fragments in much the same way as the Council's Galaxy troops (of which the 5th Column has no counterpart). Unlike the Galaxy soldiers though, Void Hunters are armed with Quantum Array Guns.
To the best of my knowledge the 5th Column have had no dealings with any faction of Kheldians, outside of the fact that Requiem is a bonded Nictus.
(As a side note, I am currently working on a 5th Column/Kheldian MA arc.)
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You could always have the Nictus be Uber-Life-Drainers... From what I understand of Kheldons, they are either Blaster or Tank.... so why not have the Nictus be a Super-Controller, or a Dominator/Stalker hybrid with Life Draining abilities?
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Wouldnt be much point to being a Void, but I get your point. As I dont PvP with my Khelds or SoA's or anything, I generally ignore it. Like I said, I see your point. But I'll let it die here. I was actually more along the lines of Suggestion-Question about whether they had been Suggested. Seemed like almost a natural.
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They had, actually, but very rarely - as in, the last time I saw anything remotely similar was before the last forum purge.
(And yeah, I tend to have a vested interest in all things Kheld-story related. >.>
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Of course, I would rather have had Nictus for Villains too, and not some Kheld revamp because I dont see Nictus as just Khelds with a mean streak, I see them as different and not taking the 'forms' of their slave races. Just my opwn take of course.
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Nictus = Warshade without anything holding them back. The reason we got SoAs, according to the answer I got, is that they wanted something "more tied to the villainside story."
Eh.
Given what we see from villainside Nictus, even pre-Romulus, I'd almost worry about being on their side as much as fighting against them. And yeah, I really wanted to see the "other side" of the Kheldian War stuff, quite frankly.
/e would kill for Nictus VEATs.
Seriously. They took the evil Kheldians and made them heroes. WTF.
The off-beat space pirate...Capt. Stormrider (50+3 Elec/Storm Science Corruptor)
The mysterious Djinn...Emerald Dervish (50+1 DB/DA Magic Stalker)
The psychotic inventor...Dollmaster (50 Bot/FF Tech Mastermind)
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/e would kill for Nictus VEATs.
Seriously. They took the evil Kheldians and made them heroes. WTF.
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Well, the Kheldians were added with Issue 3, a good 9 months before CoV came out.
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/e would kill for Nictus VEATs.
Seriously. They took the evil Kheldians and made them heroes. WTF.
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*points at Kheld story guide*
The "redeemed" Warshades actually come up in a few plot points during the Kheld story arcs - early on, in fact, when they think the Peacebringers have broken their truce and decided to hunt them down, as well as with the rogues.
Yes. I used Search, and came up snake-eyes; and I cant believe that it hasnt been suggested before if it hasnt, so here goes.
With the impending return of the 5th Column, what do you think of the Void Hunters as the next Villain Epic AT? I dont have any specifics for powers, but I figure that they would chain similar to the SoA's at least. Any ideas or thoughts?
The idea came to me in another thread here just a minute ago. I searched; I failed: I suggested.
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