Set Enhancements? are they worth it?
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Posted on: 2009-05-06 13:35 in The Market and Inventions
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Getting my first toon to lvl 45, I decided to respec to set up set enhancements. Looking them over with Midi, I found that simple invention enhancements gave better bonuses than set enhancements. How are set enhancements better in comparison to the amount you have to invest?
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No they don't.
Single attribute IOs;
Level 50 Endurance Reduction IO: 42.4%
Level 50 Celerity:Endurance Reduction IO: 42.4%
Doubles;
Level 50 Common IOs;
Accuracy: 42.4%
Damage: 42.4%
Totals: 42.4%/42.4%
Level 50 Set IOs:
Crushing Impact: Acc/Dam: 26.5%/26.5%
Mako's Bite: Acc/Dam 26.5%/26.5%
Totals: 53.00%/53.00%
Triples are even better;
Level 35 Common IOs:
Damage: 36.70%
Endurance: 36.70%
Recharge: 36.70%
Level 35 Set IOs:
Smashing Haymaker: Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg : 18.35%/15.35%/18.35%
Kinetic Combat: Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg : 18.35%/15.35%/18.35%
Touch of Death: Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg : 18.35%/15.35%/18.35%
Total: 55.05%/55.05%/55.05%
Multi-aspect IOs give more total enhancement than singles. A two aspect IO gives 125% of what a single does, a triple 150% and a quadruple 175%.
So even if you aren't going after Set bonuses Set IOs are better (using Set IOs only for their enhancement and not the bonuses is called 'frankenslotting').
Here's an example for a mid-level character: Say you have Flares 4-slotted at level 23 (the character I happen to be on at the moment). I have it slotted with 2 L25 Acc/Dam IOs and 2 L25 Dam/End IOs. Basic IO slotting would be 1 Acc, 1 EndRed and 2 Dam IOs. The latter would give 32% Acc, 64% Dam and 32% EndRed (using L25s). The frankenslotting with Set IOs gives me 40% Acc, 79% Dam and 40% EndRed. Since the doubles are 25% better than the singles (before ED) I effectively get 5 slots of enhancement out of 4.
On top of that, Set IO recipes are often cheaper than Common IO recipes. (This is usually trivial.)
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Common IO's have no set bonuses. Set bonuses are granted by having multiple IO's from a particular set in the same power. So for instance if you have 5 Crushing Impact IO's in a power, you get Immob resistance, Health, Accuracy, and Recharge.
Are you comparing a Common IO, which is single aspect, to a single aspect of a multi-aspect set IO?
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Geting my first toon to lvl 45, I decided to respec to set up set enhancements. Looking them over with Midi, I found that simple invention enhancements gave better bonuses than set enhancements
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This is incorrect.
Lets say you have three things you can enhance, Acc, Dam and End.
You can get enhancers in formats like Dam, Dam/End and Acc/Dam/End.
If you use same level IOs, in two slots you could do something like this.
Acc and Dam
or
Acc/Dam and Acc/Dam (if you use two sets)
In the 2nd case, you get more of both Acc and Dam enhancement.
You could also do this.
Acc/Dam/End and Acc/Dam/End (if you use two sets)
In this case, you get the equivalent of slotting a same-level common Acc, a Dam and an End enhancer, but you only used two slots instead of the three that would have needed.
Consider a set like Crushing Impact and slot 5 pieces of it like so in Mid's
Acc/Dam
Dam/End OR Dam/Rech
Acc/Dam/End
Acc/Dam/Rech
Dam/End/Rech
Now try to match that level of Acc, Dam, End and Recharge enhancement with same-level common IOs. Simply put, you can't. Those 5 slots are offering about 10 slots worth of SO-level enhancement.
Finally, common IOs provide no set bonuses. Set bonuses can be extremely powerful if you stack sufficient numbers of them, especially if you stack them on benefits already present in your powersets.
(Seriously, did you think people spend all this money on things that don't actually do anything better?)
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Something it can be hard to "get" at first is that set bonuses are in a way very subtle.
Example, I have an attack that has six slots. I elect to use 2x Acc IO, 2x End Red IO, 2x Dmg IO.
Pretty easy to figure out what the numbers are going be here. Very straightforward.
Now six-slot it with Crushing Impact. I have enhanced in the following ways:
Acc/Dmg
Dmg/End Red
Dmg/Rech
Acc/Dmg/Rech
Acc/Dmg/End Red
Dmg/End/Rech
Notice that regardless of the numbers involved (which are going to end up better than generic IOs), I've enhanced 4 attributes (notice I'm enhancing my recharge time) compared to 3 with Generic IOs.
Here's the subtle part. I now hit more often (acc), with more attempts (rech), for more damage (dmg), and can do so longer (end red). You don't have to sacrifice any one area (such as giving up recharge in the above example) - you get your cake and can eat it to.
Think about this - Let's say I have 3 slots and put 1 end red and 2 dmg - that's great....*if* you hit. If you miss, those 2 dmg enhancements just went to waste.
On the other hand, throw in Acc/Dmg, Dmg/End, Acc/Dmg/End and you're better off, even if the numbers on one specific IO are worse than what you get with a generic IO - the sum is greater than the parts.
And that's not counting set bonuses. +7% accuracy, for example, doesn't sound like a lot. But let's say you have 4 melee attacks with 4 slots each. Put a set of CI in each and now you have +28% accuracy to *all* powers essentially for free.
There are some limitations on set bonuses, which are outside the scope of this post, but just remember this:
Sets are good, mmmkaaaayy?
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I effectively get 5 slots of enhancement out of 4.
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This says it best.
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Geting my first toon to lvl 45, I decided to respec to set up set enhancements. Looking them over with Midi, I found that simple invention enhancements gave better bonuses than set enhancements. How are set enhancements better in comparison to the amount you have to invest?
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You may be mistakenly mixing terminology.
Definitely explore Mids some more.
Check out the the wiki for more info too
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No one mentioned the set bonus? I love getting 2%, 2.5%, and 1% recovery bonus's along with regen and defense etc...
Cant get that with IO's or SO's.
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No one mentioned the set bonus?
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*cough*
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Set IO's turned my Warshade from a controller/blaster/tanker wannabe, into a demi-god.
And made my scrapper pretty stellar too.
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Set IO's turned my Warshade from a controller/blaster/tanker wannabe, into a demi-god.
And made my scrapper pretty stellar too.
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Yeah I know the feeling. Made my Bane Spider go from Low level EB to High level AV. Set bonuses do wonders for all ATs
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I figure that the "5 for 4" (or 7 slots in 5) pretty much gives you 75% of the improvement that a billion inf build does and you can do it for,like, 20 million for the whole character. Less if you are willing to actually work on being cheap about it.
Details in my (slightly old and creaky) guide, in sig.
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The set bonuses and the uniques are the other 25%.
If you're going from [say] 1 acc, 3 dam, 1 recharge in SO's, to 1 acc, 3 dam, 2 recharge, 1 end reduction with no set bonuses, you've added around 60 "generic percent" to every power. It takes a _lot_ of set bonuses to get you that much benefit.
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Geting my first toon to lvl 45, I decided to respec to set up set enhancements. Looking them over with Midi, I found that simple invention enhancements gave better bonuses than set enhancements. How are set enhancements better in comparison to the amount you have to invest?