Ranged defense, +HP, +dam.
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Forts still can work just not as great as past issue. I still can kill most of squishies on mine except blasters give me hard times since they actually do hit most of the time :/ I will leave melee ATs out it is just pretty much retarded to try to kill any of them w/o some certain debuffs...
To what macskull said i would add some recovery because forts are very end heavy and since VEATs got dmg nerfthis issue you probaly would need to attack target longer - nice rec is pretty usefull.
Also if you can fit it some acc bonuses would be nice, more you miss longer it takes for you to take the target out so they can longer attack you..
lol, forts
I've barely touched mine since I14 came out. Defense being a total joke, combined with the nerfed damage made them pretty pointless in my eyes.
Sure, you can kill noob squishies. So could a dark/dark corr. 
What sucks is I had JUST spent a ton of money on my fort literally like 2 weeks before it was completely destroyed.
Hyperbole much?
Wow that stinks. How much did it cost to IO that character out?
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lol, forts
I've barely touched mine since I14 came out. Defense being a total joke, combined with the nerfed damage made them pretty pointless in my eyes.
Sure, you can kill noob squishies. So could a dark/dark corr.
What sucks is I had JUST spent a ton of money on my fort literally like 2 weeks before it was completely destroyed.
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Forts are still a force to be reckoned with only now you have to work a little harder. If you honestly think they are garbage because of the tweaks to their damage and elusivity then it's not your Fort that's the problem, it's you.
I didn't IO it out really. Just got a few key things, and that still cost a couple hundred mil.
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Nah, supermax is right, they are pretty gabage now..you can kill squishies that are played by average/noob players but if you face good built toon that is played by good player you would mostlikely lose...
I played fort whole i13 and i agree 30% elusivity combined with DR was kind of retarded however what i don't understand how "slightly decrease" supposed to be nerf from 30% to lolsy 10% (lol waste of program space) and why in the world would they debuff dmg...forts didn't do that great dmg anyway since everyone has some kind of res to all if not caped and mez doesn't work anymore..so why?????...
Besides if it is DR off match the chances are way too low to win anyway :/
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We all can cry all we want devs will continue to destroy pvp no matter what..gg
Yep I've pretty much given up on PvP in this game. I'm tired of always having to redo all my toons because of the damn changes they keep making.
Since I14 hit I've been in RV twice and and it wasn't any fun at all. I can't see myself doing PvP again if ever.
Thanks Devs, you've ruined the only thing that's kept me playing this game as long as I have. CO and DCUO can't come soon enough.
Yea on Pinnacle we had a bunch of fotm forts who thought they were tough. Then they got nerfed and they all quit the game. Only time they ever pvp'd was with overpowered fotm's. WWemo ftl
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Ranged defense, +HP, +dam.
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"Forts are still a force to be reckoned with only now you have to work a little harder. If you honestly think they are garbage because of the tweaks to their damage and elusivity then it's not your Fort that's the problem, it's you. "
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I agree with the above; Forts can still rock in i14. They did well prior to i13 and with Elusivity added...were just crazy. I know, some ppl have said they were "ez" to kill blah blah blah...thats probably true if you were purpled out and had a few accounts buffing your toon every few minutes. For me, the only way I could kill them last issue was to spend millions on +ACC and still got rocked when 2-3 teamed up and kept ML flowing (or used stacked vengeance tactics etc).
I dont agree with taking Defense down to 10%, but I'm assuming the devs are testing the min/max levels as opposed to the "PvP its DOOOOOOM/screw the devs, but I'll keep playing b/c...well I dont know why" attitudes. Bottomline, Forts still do well when built properly...but you have to work on it more now. If you want a toon thats ez street PvP that you can take out into the zone and fight 8 people at a time with minimum IOs/thought/effort put into ur build...yeah, its probably not for you. Thats why really only the good players still use their Forts and they do well with them.
"Forum PvP doesn't give drops. Just so all of you who participated in this thread are aware." -Mod08-
"when a stalker goes blue side, assassination strike should be renamed "bunny hugs", and a rainbow should fly out" -Harbinger-
it's ok, everyone who's fort got nerfed can just get back on their em/nin stalkers.
Actually all good players I know pretty much stripped their forts down to outfit their other toons, and don't play the forts at all. On any given day, you'll be lucky to find a single fort in a PvP zone, and when they do show up, they leave shortly afterwards....after they get farmed by the 10 blasters for 5 mins straight. For the most part, it's back to just stalkers now.
So congrats devs....you made it so even less AT's are viable in PvP.
Between Freedom and Virtue, I still see 2-3 Forts a day run thru and own SC/RV. I would say they must be some scrubs that have billions of dollars to pump into their builds, but they're the same Forts that were top notch in i13 also as opposed to the guys that didnt really put much into their builds.
"Forum PvP doesn't give drops. Just so all of you who participated in this thread are aware." -Mod08-
"when a stalker goes blue side, assassination strike should be renamed "bunny hugs", and a rainbow should fly out" -Harbinger-
That's just it. Unless you heavily invest in your Forts build now, you just get owned by all the Blasters out there. So what's the point?
Besides, I thought when the Devs said they were gonna make changes it wasn't going to be based on what you could do with your build by using IOs?
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So what's the point?
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None, considering you could just play an SO'd stalker....do more damage than the fort, and be totally unkillable too.
Like I said, lol forts.
The point is, most builds need a good investment. You cant bring an unslotted Blaster into zone and hit the ol' "IWIN" button...so why should you be able to use an unslotted Fort to do the same? A lot of ppl bailed on Forts b/c they no longer get a toon that has Blaster damage, Troller holds and Tank defense with minimum effort/money. Be like everyone else and put some time into your Fort and you will do fine.
I've used a Device blaster since i11 and needed a few respecs in order to take out most of my +DMG and spend millions on +ACC just to hit Forts last issue. Not sure why ppl feel like they dont have to work on their toons. It's just a game, but like in life...you have to invest in something to make it better. People want PvP to be more like PvE is the only thing I can think of...but most migrate to PvP for a challenge while some basically prefer it challenge free.
Finally, this happens to any toon, not just Forts...(even stalkers) - "you just get owned by all the Blasters out there". I prefer to play solo and get killed a lot, but I get my own kills also. Could be if your Fort gets pawned so much...maybe it's not the toon or maybe your style of play dictates you should be more team oriented.
"Forum PvP doesn't give drops. Just so all of you who participated in this thread are aware." -Mod08-
"when a stalker goes blue side, assassination strike should be renamed "bunny hugs", and a rainbow should fly out" -Harbinger-
People LOL at a lot of PvP ATs, but then there are some that decide to understand the mechanics of it and play them well. An example...as much as I've seen laffs directed at MMs, I've also seen others make them work well in zone and in duels/arena. Those ppl have taken the time and made the investments to get their toon to a point where its good to go.
It just comes down to whether u want to take the time to figure it all out...or if you want to get on a Stalker and spend 90% of ur zone time hiding and 5% running. A lot good Stalkers out there, but the rest just get 3 layers of stealth and run around needing to double & triple AS with their friends to get a kill. I can see how that could be considered fun.
"Forum PvP doesn't give drops. Just so all of you who participated in this thread are aware." -Mod08-
"when a stalker goes blue side, assassination strike should be renamed "bunny hugs", and a rainbow should fly out" -Harbinger-
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You cant bring an unslotted Blaster into zone and hit the ol' "IWIN" button...so why should you be able to use an unslotted Fort to do the same?
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Nobody is talking about unslotted toons. But the game isn't balanced around purpled out toons either. A blaster can, indeed, go into a zone with SO's and do well. A fort could do it in I13. But now, a blaster can still do it, but a fort needs to be purpled out to have a chance. Not really fair.
They were clearly overpowered in I13, and every good player admitted it. But making them useless wasn't the solution.
Im not here to argue with you Super even though we have had some mehly heated discussions in the past about toons PvPing with stacked vengeance etc...this post though was directed towards Rulker. We all have our own opinions and thats why I enjoy the forums; I dont always agree with yours (and vice versa) but I respect them.
When there is more then 1 person saying the following:
"Forts still can work just not as great as past issue. I still can kill most of squishies on mine except blasters give me hard times since they actually do hit most of the time :/"
"Forts are still a force to be reckoned with only now you have to work a little harder. If you honestly think they are garbage because of the tweaks to their damage and elusivity then it's not your Fort that's the problem, it's you."
its obvious that there are still some playing their Forts and doing well. Even you said that you didn't IO ur Fort and if thats the case...then of course a build is gonna be "lol, forts".
Also, I never said anything about nerfing or making defense useless...I have a cpl of toons that are so so now b/c of that. I just said invest some money and time into a build. I dont consider using SOs to really be putting forth much of an effort though (just my opinion).
"Forum PvP doesn't give drops. Just so all of you who participated in this thread are aware." -Mod08-
"when a stalker goes blue side, assassination strike should be renamed "bunny hugs", and a rainbow should fly out" -Harbinger-
Don't get me wrong, I can still take my fort out and kill people without dying. It's just not really worth it. Once you've driven a Ferrari, it's hard to keep driving it after the engine gets replaced by a Yugo engine.
I didn't mean that a good player can't possibly do anything on a Fort. Just that most people don't bother, because their investments and effort are much better spent on more useful toons.
I undertand and it's all good. From what I have seen in PvP, there are really 2 types of players:
1) those that play a build regardless of whats FOTM and work on them/spent mucho money...b/c they enjoy that particular toon. Be it for sentimental reasons, RP (in the case of Virtue) or they just want to play something that is unique.
2) those that play for min/max reasons and really get into "totallyuberpwnziwin!".
There's nothing wrong with either one of those really...but when I started talking on forums, I just didnt take into account so many were into #2, b/c I'm more #1ish. Neither devices or PBs were a big thing til recently and I get a lot of "gj killing me with an OP toon ahole" tells...but it wasnt like that a few issues ago when I was doing casual PvP.
I think everyone has to agree that we all have our own thoughts on builds/ATs that are great/weak...one man's "LOL @" toon is another's "hawt killer all day" toon. Have fun and see you out there.
PS- for the 1s that are exiting stage left to go play DCUO and Champions...send me a tell at NJCASH on Freedom, b/c I'll take ur stuff
"Forum PvP doesn't give drops. Just so all of you who participated in this thread are aware." -Mod08-
"when a stalker goes blue side, assassination strike should be renamed "bunny hugs", and a rainbow should fly out" -Harbinger-
Would you rather spend 1 billion inf on an alright toon and make it good or spend it on a good toon and make it a god. Thats basically why people are saying its not worth it to IO a fort. It will still be good but the money could be better spent elsewhere.
I think powerboosted surveillance also has contributed to the downfall of the fort.
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blah blah blah i14 defense toons lolz
I'm not looking for stoopz complaints and flaming on the new pvp blah blah blah what I am looking for are ideas on how to make this set work in PvP.
Anyone care to share builds?
What set bonuses to aim for with this new issue?