Ability to camp to another character
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Arenaz,
Posted on: 2009-04-02 08:20 in Suggestions and Ideas
I don't understand what /camp would do. Could you please clarify?
I think it's a way to change characters without going to the log-in screen.
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What it does is say you are logged into one character but want to switch to another. Right now you have to logout to the login screen, relogin, pick a server and then pick the character you want to play, with /camp you would just /camp <name> and after the 30 second delay you would be logged right into the second character bypassing all the other fun. 
The developers have essentially nixed the idea of logging out to character select or otherwise logging out to immediately log in to another character for security reasons.
And yes, I know what you're thinking: "Security reasons? That's absurd!"
... But it's true. It's to keep someone you're showing the game to from having complete access to all your characters; or to keep your little brother or sister (or parent or roommate or spouse) who doesn't know your password but snuck on while you were using the bathroom from deleting all of your characters or renaming them all, etc, etc.
If you hopped right from one character to the next via a command they would only have access to those characters. With no select screen they wouldn't be able to rename or delete them. They also only have access to the characters they know the name of. They could still trash any SG base you had access to or use a saved respec to strip your super.
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I kind of like this idea, but sounds like it's not going to happen.
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The developers have essentially nixed the idea of logging out to character select or otherwise logging out to immediately log in to another character for security reasons.
And yes, I know what you're thinking: "Security reasons? That's absurd!"
... But it's true. It's to keep someone you're showing the game to from having complete access to all your characters; or to keep your little brother or sister (or parent or roommate or spouse) who doesn't know your password but snuck on while you were using the bathroom from deleting all of your characters or renaming them all, etc, etc.
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It has been suggested many times that they could put in a new switch in Options that turned on the behavior of allowing log out to go to server selection instead of the log in screen. That way by default new accounts get the more secure way of logging out, but a player could choose to have the faster character switching if desired.
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I would like to see the ability to do something like /camp <char name> and be logged directly into that character. With the way the system is set up it would probably have to be only to characters on the same server but that would probably cover must of the switching that most of us do. EQ2 has this and I find it incredibly handy.
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While this /camp feature might have been handy in EQ2 (or any other game that allows it) I think there's probably another reason why it won't happen here beyond the whole "login security" deal.
As Jagged humorously implied with his Matrix reference the way you're proposing it sounds very much like you might be able to strategically place several characters all in the same location and switch between them quickly enough to be able to get some kind of poor man's bot effect. For example you might be able to buff teammates real quick with one alt then swap over to a second character quickly enough to get a "multi-character" benefit that way.
I agree that it can be annoying to have to log out each time we want to switch characters. I've probably wasted hours over the years waiting for those 30 second timeouts myself. But despite the whole security concern I suspect there's an anti-exploit concern at work here as well. Part of the "built-in delay" that re-logging imposes on us prevents any kind of exploit like that from working very well.
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I would like to see the ability to do something like /camp <char name> and be logged directly into that character. With the way the system is set up it would probably have to be only to characters on the same server but that would probably cover must of the switching that most of us do. EQ2 has this and I find it incredibly handy.
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Since it takes 30 seconds to swap characters (plus load time) camp swapping for buffs will be pointless.
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Since it takes 30 seconds to swap characters (plus load time) camp swapping for buffs will be pointless.
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Thus the reason why they even imposed the 30 second timeout in the first place.
It's an anti-exploit measure.
Any feature (such as this /camp idea) that would allow anyone to shave ANY amount of time off the process of switching characters would only increase the chances that someone would be able to effectively exploit that somehow.
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And since the OP said it would keep the 30 second timer no exploit is available.
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And since the OP said it would keep the 30 second timer no exploit is available.
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He only mentioned that after he realized that his original NO TIMEOUT EQ2 idea wasn't going to get any traction here. 
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It has been suggested many times that they could put in a new switch in Options that turned on the behavior of allowing log out to go to server selection instead of the log in screen.
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Wouldn't having a switch in Options, which anyone who is logged into your character would have access to, kind of defeat the purpose of the whole thing as a security measure?
Setting it at the account level somehow would work (like in your NCSoft account settings), as would including a new UI aspect that prompts for password. Of the two, having it as an account-wide setting would be the more secure.
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For example you might be able to buff teammates real quick with one alt then swap over to a second character quickly enough to get a "multi-character" benefit that way.
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The raging paranoia about exploits on this board never ceases to amaze me.
And how much memory, pray tell, do you think a machine would have that would allow it to do this instantaneous zone-reload? 'cuz my four gigs sure ain't doin' it.
In the 16 minutes between the posts the idea hadn't had time to gain or loose traction.
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In the 16 minutes between the posts the idea hadn't had time to gain or loose traction.
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*sigh*
The Devs would never allow a command here that would more or less let us instaneously switch between characters. That WAS his point when he said he wanted something "similar" to what he enjoyed in EQ2.
It doesn't matter how long this silly thread has been around or not.
I suspect the OP only mentioned having a 30 second timer applied to his idea in his SECOND post once he thought better of what he was actually trying to suggest for CoX.
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I didn't know the OP had talked to you about his idea between the two posts.
Since the only posts between his are two people asking for clearification on the idea I would really like to know where are getting this idea from.
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For example you might be able to buff teammates real quick with one alt then swap over to a second character quickly enough to get a "multi-character" benefit that way.
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The raging paranoia about exploits on this board never ceases to amaze me.
And how much memory, pray tell, do you think a machine would have that would allow it to do this instantaneous zone-reload? 'cuz my four gigs sure ain't doin' it.
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The 30 second timeout the Devs introduced years ago to minimize exploits does not really constitute "raging paranoia" on my part. *shrugs*
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I didn't know the OP had talked to you about his idea between the two posts.
Since the only posts between his are two people asking for clearification on the idea I would really like to know where are getting this idea from.
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I'm sorry you aren't familiar with the EQ2 /camp command.
Not really my problem.
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The raging paranoia about exploits on this board never ceases to amaze me.
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It isn't paranoia, We all have seen numerous examples of exploits the devs have nerfed and people then complained loud and long when it got taken away.
Lets walk through someone trying to exploit this command.
You get your team by the mission entrance. You buff them. You wait 30 seconds and the game reloads the zone. You get invited to the team. The team gets halfway through the second or third spawn and needs rebuffing. At this point you would have to recamp wait for timeout and reload, get a new team invite, enter the mission and rebuff then camp/load/reinvite/load mission again.
This could be streamlined for TFs since you wouldn't need to reinvite on the swap back to your play alt, but everyone would have to leave the mission to get buffed since your exploit buffer can't enter the team mission or be invited after the TF forms.
Did I miss anything?
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Lets walk through someone trying to exploit this command.
You get your team by the mission entrance. You buff them. You wait 30 seconds and the game reloads the zone. You get invited to the team. The team gets halfway through the second or third spawn and needs rebuffing. At this point you would have to recamp wait for timeout and reload, get a new team invite, enter the mission and rebuff then camp/load/reinvite/load mission again.
This could be streamlined for TFs since you wouldn't need to reinvite on the swap back to your play alt, but everyone would have to leave the mission to get buffed since your exploit buffer can't enter the team mission or be invited after the TF forms.
Did I miss anything?
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Yes.
You missed the fact that the OP -really- wanted something like the EQ2 /camp command.
I wish him luck in that desire.
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What it does is say you are logged into one character but want to switch to another. Right now you have to logout to the login screen, relogin, pick a server and then pick the character you want to play, with /camp you would just /camp <name> and after the 30 second delay you would be logged right into the second character bypassing all the other fun.
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I would like to see the ability to do something like /camp <char name> and be logged directly into that character. With the way the system is set up it would probably have to be only to characters on the same server but that would probably cover must of the switching that most of us do. EQ2 has this and I find it incredibly handy.