Interesting.......
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Castle, can you elaborate on this please? Does this mean if I'm the target of a PvP attack, my movement suppresses whether I'm hit or not? Or does it suppress only if I'm hit? Or what happens?
I hope I've read this wrong!
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Being the target of an attack: 2s
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Castle, can you elaborate on this please? Does this mean if I'm the target of a PvP attack, my movement suppresses whether I'm hit or not? Or does it suppress only if I'm hit? Or what happens?
I hope I've read this wrong!
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No, you read it correctly. Bring the target of attack initiates suppression on you. This is to prevent you from super speeding away while the attacker is stuck in his attack animation.
EDIT: I should note that the new PVP Travel Suppression is not as slow as existing PVE Travel Suppression. In all cases, it reduces your speed to approximately "Sprint" speed.
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Being the target of an attack: 2s
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Castle, can you elaborate on this please? Does this mean if I'm the target of a PvP attack, my movement suppresses whether I'm hit or not? Or does it suppress only if I'm hit? Or what happens?
I hope I've read this wrong!
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No, you read it correctly. Bring the target of attack initiates suppression on you. This is to prevent you from super speeding away while the attacker is stuck in his attack animation.
EDIT: I should note that the new PVP Travel Suppression is not as slow as existing PVE Travel Suppression. In all cases, it reduces your speed to approximately "Sprint" speed.
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So if I am reading this correctly, its lol if your a squishi
* first after a red name*
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Being the target of an attack: 2s
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Castle, can you elaborate on this please? Does this mean if I'm the target of a PvP attack, my movement suppresses whether I'm hit or not? Or does it suppress only if I'm hit? Or what happens?
I hope I've read this wrong!
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No, you read it correctly. Bring the target of attack initiates suppression on you. This is to prevent you from super speeding away while the attacker is stuck in his attack animation.
EDIT: I should note that the new PVP Travel Suppression is not as slow as existing PVE Travel Suppression. In all cases, it reduces your speed to approximately "Sprint" speed.
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So if I am reading this correctly, its lol if your a squishi
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Pretty much. Apparently it is also "When the going gets tough, the tough get ghenked."
Edit: I mean I get what the travel change is supposed to do; but in zone PvP i honestly don't see it working the way you expect it to. In the arena or base raids that may possibly be fine and dandy; I don't know I don't arena and haven't done a base raid in a long, long time; but in a zone the way I see it is that if someone is seperated and caught by a group instead of a chance to get away it becomes pretty much no chance of escape.
RE: Control Powers.
Has mezz suppression duration been changed at all?
Do Confuse powers now have proper suppression?
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Being the target of an attack: 2s
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Castle, can you elaborate on this please? Does this mean if I'm the target of a PvP attack, my movement suppresses whether I'm hit or not? Or does it suppress only if I'm hit? Or what happens?
I hope I've read this wrong!
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No, you read it correctly. Bring the target of attack initiates suppression on you. This is to prevent you from super speeding away while the attacker is stuck in his attack animation.
EDIT: I should note that the new PVP Travel Suppression is not as slow as existing PVE Travel Suppression. In all cases, it reduces your speed to approximately "Sprint" speed.
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So if I am reading this correctly, its lol if your a squishi
* first after a red name*
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Note the bit where the squishy ATs get a bonus to their resists, and note further that a complete lack of MEzz protection is no longer a death sentence. Presumably.
Looks like storms wont be able to completely kill your buff range anymore either.
um..... wow
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Resistance Powers
* Each AT now recieves a bonus resist buff while in PVP, in order to set each AT closer in overall survivability.
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So is this what's going to prevent the mostly-higher damage numbers for everyone across the board from being a two-shot festival of carnage?
Also, while damage has been "normalized" for most ATs, I noticed that Defender numbers are distinctly lower than anyone else's - with the diminishing returns (buff diversification!) and heals granting heal resistance for a short time, it would seem that this would eliminate Defenders from serious contention, as they'll do less damage than anyone and the stronger buffs just mean you're going to hit the dimished returns faster.
Also - Spines just seems 
to me; I'm assuming that there's a good deal more testing involved before the numbers become finalized? And re: suppression - Hurdle + Combat Jumping still isn't suppressed, right? 
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The damage numbers you are seeing in the Real numbers tool are not accurate and in no way final.
EDIT: Kurgain: No, the Suppression on Travel Speed is based off of MAX speed, not Base Speed.
Oh ok. Will be interested to see the real numbers then.
Though honestly to me It still kinda looks like that the odds are still going against melee toons. The taunt and the increased range helps a bit..... but I'm unsure as to whether that is enough or not.
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lol, I can't remember how many times I mentioned last week that since the PVE numbers were inaccurate, I found it funny that folks thought that the PVP numbers were.
again, lol
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
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All Teleportation and Summonable Teleportals
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Nerf to TP when hardly anyone uses it in pvp
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* A Heal Event now imposes a 25% Resistance to further heals on the character, regardless of source. This Resistance to heals will last for 15 seconds, and stacks with itself. This means that if you are healed 4 times, no further healing will affect you until the resistance duration ends.
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Nice, now when people are on my side that I don't like (farmers too), I can spam baby heals on them then tell the other side to kill him.
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* Status Protection attributes for all statuses except Knockback and Knock up changed to Status Resist. For example, a Tanker running Unyielding at level 50 has 12.975 points of protection in PVE, while in PVP he has 129.75% Hold Resistance. That will convert an 8 second hold into a 3.48 second hold.
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LOL, now the tanks and brutes will bekilled instantly too. And the only reason people pvp'd with them was because they were slow to die. So why should someone roll a tank or brute now for pvp?
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* Lower activation time powers get a slight bonus to damage, due to chaining low damage powers being difficult in PvP.
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So this furthers the gap with fire and mind holds compare to other holds even though they do the EXACT THING!!! (I always hated that powers which are basiclly the same in different sets have different activation times. When will activation times be normalized!)
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* Longer Recharge time powers also get a slight damage bonus, so higher level powers with long recharge times deal extra damage.
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The high damage attacks were the ones that were mostly used anyway, they don't need to be buff... if anything, low recharge weak attacks needed to be buff. Burst damage always ruled in pvp and this just makes that fact even greater.
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Any armor set lacking a type of resist or defense will now provide it while in PvP zones.
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I'm not sure about this one.
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* Add 75% Range Debuff to Brute Taunt/Confront powers. The Range Debuff should have radius outer set to 0 so it only affects the main target.
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why 0 for brutes??? with fury the way it is, brutes are like subpar tanks... so unless fury is fixed in pvp, brutes are getting the short stick
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Probably the answer to this one was stalkers and tp foe/tp after an AS, but Castle will have to explain.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
You misread. I think that it means that the -range effect will only effect one person at a time. If you look above that you will see that Brutes get the 75% -range too.
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Probably the answer to this one was stalkers and tp foe/tp after an AS, but Castle will have to explain.
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From the changes they are trying to make it tougher for someone to escape a fight...... and tp is the power which allows for the quickest and easiest escape IMO.
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Probably the answer to this one was stalkers and tp foe/tp after an AS, but Castle will have to explain.
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From the changes they are trying to make it tougher for someone to escape a fight...... and tp is the power which allows for the quickest and easiest escape IMO.
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yep.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
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Interesting changes to say the least. These changes will take sometime to get use to for current PvPers and I think it's a good thing that everyone starts from a somewhat even playing field.
Issue 13 PvP Powers Changes
By Floyd Castle Grubb
Hello again everyone. Last time, I told you about the PVE powers changes we have planned for Issue 13. This time, we're going to talk about PvP.
Player vs. Player combat (PvP) is a fun topic. Currently, we have a small portion of our players actively engage in PvP on a regular basis. We think this is in part due to problems in how PvP is implemented in our game. We want to take some steps to help make Player vs. Player encounters more attractive to a larger group of players, while at the same time opening up more "character build" options for the existing dedicated PvP players. This is a challenging issue to tackle, given the scope of the proposed changes, but we feel the time is right to address these issues.
Our first step was to look at what archetypes (AT) were actually doing in PvP. What we found was there are two distinct different PvP categories: Zone PvP and Arena PvP. This isnt very surprising, since we originally wanted there to be differences between the two. However, the actual differences were different from what we'd initially planned. Zone PvP was less hyper specialized and formulized than Arena PvP. Zone PvP is more open to new PvPers, but more likely to see the new PvPer 'griefed' and driven out of the playzone (often, never to return.) Arena PvP by contrast, is much more civil but has a huge barrier to entry -- if your character isn't up to par, you are not likely to contribute much.
We wanted to spend time working on revamps for the existing PvP zones; but due to the massive amount of work involved well need to address this in a future release. That meant that we had to focus almost entirely on Base Raids and Arena PvP. We did a lot of work on Bases, Raiding and the Cathedral, but we have to save that for later -- those are all works in progress for a future update. Arena PvP, though, was a self contained area which could be isolated and worked with. It also provides an excellent testbed for Base Raids, since the two are at least in the most basic terms similar. That's where we focused our attention.
We began by looking at the disparities that existed, and discussed how to address them. Ultimately, we decided that in order to allow better competition between the AT's and powersets, we needed to take some drastic measures. We decided that a different rule set needed to apply in PvP than in PvE. By changing the basic rules, we hope to encourage a greater variety of character builds in Arena PvP, and ultimately in Base Raids and Zone PVP.
At the core, many of the power effects are the same: Heals still heal, attacks still deal damage, and holds still hold. However, the new system makes a number of adjustments that should be friendlier to a wider range of AT's and skill levels. The goal is for players to be able to bring any AT and powerset combination into PVP and to be competitive and have fun! Furthermore, with the Issue 13s Multiple builds feature, players can design a PvP specific build and not have it affect their normal character.
There are still a number of balance factors which we are working through; the prevalence of Phase Shift type defenses, "caging" and "Spiking" to name a few. These are things we are working on in the beta process to find the correct balance.
So, without further ado, here is the list of the current changes and how they were implemented. Please keep in mind that there is still more testing and tuning to be done.
Diminishing Returns
Nearly all attributes characters have are now subject to Diminishing Returns. The specific numbers vary from attribute to attribute, and from class to class (it's easier to Buff Resistance and Defense on a Tanker, than on a Blaster.)
* In general, a single buff will have near full effect, while additional buffs begin to offer less and less benefit. Example: Under the old system, Aim + Build up might provide a combined 67% To Hit buff, while under this system it provides a combined 49% To Hit Buff.
* The calculation is based on the sum of all buffs, so the order the buffs are applied in does not matter.
* It is important to note that the Real Numbers tool will not always report the results of diminishing returns accurately, at least initially. This is specifically true of Damage Buffs, which always display the Pre-Diminished value.
Melee Attacks
* Changed Melee Range to 7'. Since this is essentially a buff, this effect will be present in PVE as well.
Travel Powers
* PvE Travel Suppression continues to work as it has since it was introduced. PvP Travel Suppression will be handled differently, however (see below.)
* All Teleportation and Summonable Teleportals are Disabled while PvP Travel Suppression is active.
The Duration of Movement Suppression in PvP is now variable based on the most recent suppression event applicable to the character. In case of multiple events applicable on the same server tick, only the longest value is applied.
Suppression events are:
Activating a foe TargetedRange (range > 7') damaging Power: 3s * Sum of damage scales.
Example1: Power Bolt has a damage Scale of 1.0 (0.1 + 0.9) resulting in a Suppression Duration of 3 seconds.
o Example2: Power Burst has a damage scale of 2.12 resulting in a Suppression Duration of 6.39 seconds.
* Activating a foe Targeted Melee (Range >0' && Range => 7') damaging Power: 2s* Sum of damage scales.
o Example1: Swipe has a damage scale of 0.76 resulting in a suppression time of 1.52 seconds.
o Example2: Eviscerate has a damage scale of 1.99 resulting in a suppression time of 3.98 seconds.
* Activating a foe targeted Range debuff or control power: 3.5s
* Activating a foe targeted Melee debuff or control power: 2.5s
* Placing a Location Based Entity: 4s
* Activating a self or friend targeted Heal power: 4s
* Activating a Friend targeted Buff power: 4s
* Being the target of an attack: 2s
Control Powers
Control power changes are fairly extensive. The goal here was to make control effects less binary in nature. The shorter durations of status effects, combined with the change from status Protection to Status resistance means that these powers will now how impact on a PvP situation more frequently, but are no longer quite as severe a deciding factor.
* For Controllers: Change Duration base to 4 seconds for Stun, Sleep, Hold, Immobilize, Terrorize, Confuse, Untouchable, Intangible attributes. Duration of Status Effects (Hold, Sleep, etc.) no longer scale by level; instead they have fixed base durations.
* For Dominators: Change normal control Duration base to 4 seconds for Stun, Sleep, Hold, Immobilize, Terrorize, Confuse, Untouchable, Intangible attributes. Duration of Status Effects (Hold, Sleep, etc.) no longer scale by level; instead they have fixed base durations. Change Domination control Duration base to 4 seconds for Stun, Sleep, Hold, Immobilize, Terrorize, Confuse, Untouchable, Intangible attribs. Duration of Status Effects (Hold, Sleep, etc.) no longer scale by level; instead they have fixed base durations. Change Magnitude bonus from +3 to +1.
* For ALL OTHERS: Change control Duration base to 2 seconds for Stun, Sleep, Hold, Immobilize, Terrorize, Confuse, Untouchable, Intangible attributes. Duration of Status Effects (Hold, Sleep, etc.) no longer scale by level; instead they have fixed base durations.
* For Tankers: Change Taunt to a fixed 6 second duration.
* For Scrappers and Brutes: Change Taunt to a fixed 4 second duration.
* For the Manipulation Pool: Change Taunt to a fixed 4 second duration.
* For Stalkers: Change Placate to a fixed 10 second duration.
* For VEATs: Change Placate to a fixed 4 second duration.
Buff and Heal Powers
* A Heal Event now imposes a 25% Resistance to further heals on the character, regardless of source. This Resistance to heals will last for 15 seconds, and stacks with itself. This means that if you are healed 4 times, no further healing will affect you until the resistance duration ends.
* Status Protection attributes for all statuses except Knockback and Knock up changed to Status Resist. For example, a Tanker running Unyielding at level 50 has 12.975 points of protection in PVE, while in PVP he has 129.75% Hold Resistance. That will convert an 8 second hold into a 3.48 second hold.
Damage Powers
* Powers now calculate damage based on their activation time, instead of their recharge.
* Lower activation time powers get a slight bonus to damage, due to chaining low damage powers being difficult in PvP.
* Longer Recharge time powers also get a slight damage bonus, so higher level powers with long recharge times deal extra damage.
* Damage has been adjusted for all AT's, reducing the damage gap between each AT.
Resistance Powers
* Each AT now recieves a bonus resist buff while in PVP, in order to set each AT closer in overall survivability. This resist primarily reduces up the gap in hitpoints between lower hitpoint AT's and higher hitpoint AT's
* Epic armors and Tough (Pool Power) now provide resistance to all damage types while in PVP.
* Any armor set lacking a type of resist or defense will now provide it while in PvP zones.
Taunt Powers (NOTE: These changes are effective in PVE as well! They are essentially accross the board buffs which should give greater crowd control ability to those who possess these power.)
* Add 75% Range Debuff to Tanker Taunt (full aoe)
* Add 75% Range Debuff to Scrapper Confront (and equivalents.) These remain single target.
* Add 75% Range Debuff to Brute Taunt/Confront powers. The Range Debuff should have radius outer set to 0 so it only affects the main target.
Classes Tables
* Increased MAX RESIST value for all status effect attribs. This means status resistance effects will have more meaning. This also affects PVE.
* IncreaseRange STR MIN value to 25%. This means no player or critter powers range can be decreased to more than 25% of its original range. So, an 80' attack can never be debuffed below 25'. This also effects PVE.
So, there you have it. A whole slew of changes for you to chew over, plan around...and test on the Training Room! We still have a lot of testing and tuning to do. While our initial playtests are showing these changes to be fun, well ultimately look to broader playtests to validate the changes.
Here's hoping you all enjoy it!
Floyd 'Castle' Grubb