Why you should never, ever play a Regen Scrapper
By
1_800_Spines,
Posted on: 2008-02-29 01:07 in Player Guides
LOL at the dunces who thought it was a serious post. As the owner of a high level Regen Scrapper, I laughed. 
Ok you guys need to stop now; you're making me laugh too hard at work.
@Mojo-
Proud Member of Fusion Force.
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First Question, do they have dictionaries in South Carolina? I know they do in NC, but on the chance you're near one, please look up the word satire. Sa-ti-er .
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Um, might want to use your dictionary.
S A T I R E
At least that's how my South Carolina dictionary spells it.
The Avalanche has already started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Blue Spot, Son Spot, Cyan Siren, Polar Gale, Scarlett Fury, Stygian Warlock, Lady Lilac, Elsbeth (villian), Furious Squirrel (villian)
Infinity server
SC is wrong.
It's S A T Y R
noobs
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So, then you saw all the references to the other thread and saw the parity between the two as far as the OP goes, thus able to come to the obvious conclusion that the OP was in fact a spoof and in no way serious, thus not requiring a serious response, like the one you gave, right?
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It appears you missed what the point of my "serious" response was. If you've been following my posts in other threads now you should know how I respond to pseudo serious satire threads. My sig should also clue you in further, if you are smart enough to figure out the backward relation.
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So, then you saw all the references to the other thread and saw the parity between the two as far as the OP goes, thus able to come to the obvious conclusion that the OP was in fact a spoof and in no way serious, thus not requiring a serious response, like the one you gave, right?
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It appears you missed what the point of my "serious" response was. If you've been following my posts in other threads now you should know how I respond to pseudo serious satire threads. My sig should also clue you in further, if you are smart enough to figure out the backward relation.
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ts:dr; You lose at the INTARWEB! 
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So, then you saw all the references to the other thread and saw the parity between the two as far as the OP goes, thus able to come to the obvious conclusion that the OP was in fact a spoof and in no way serious, thus not requiring a serious response, like the one you gave, right?
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It appears you missed what the point of my "serious" response was. If you've been following my posts in other threads now you should know how I respond to pseudo serious satire threads. My sig should also clue you in further, if you are smart enough to figure out the backward relation.
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ts:dr; You lose at the INTARWEB!
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I never wanted to win at the INTARWEB.
My biggest gripe about regen is that you have to dedicate so many slots to the secondary set, that it is difficult to overpower your attacks. It takes a lot of slots, and even then you can't really "tank."
I build scrappers for dps in melee range. The only regen/resistance that's needed is to overcome the AoE's that hit the tank. With regen, you better pick a power set with build-up and then six slot it. Also grab hasten and three slot that. And don't run into that big mob while your hasten is down!
I'm a nucular engineerer, not an Anglish Proffesseur. I don't have to no how to spell.
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So, then you saw all the references to the other thread and saw the parity between the two as far as the OP goes, thus able to come to the obvious conclusion that the OP was in fact a spoof and in no way serious, thus not requiring a serious response, like the one you gave, right?
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It appears you missed what the point of my "serious" response was. If you've been following my posts in other threads now you should know how I respond to pseudo serious satire threads. My sig should also clue you in further, if you are smart enough to figure out the backward relation.
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ts:dr; You lose at the INTARWEB!
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I never wanted to win at the INTARWEB.
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Exactly! Thus I support your cause!
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So, then you saw all the references to the other thread and saw the parity between the two as far as the OP goes, thus able to come to the obvious conclusion that the OP was in fact a spoof and in no way serious, thus not requiring a serious response, like the one you gave, right?
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It appears you missed what the point of my "serious" response was. If you've been following my posts in other threads now you should know how I respond to pseudo serious satire threads. My sig should also clue you in further, if you are smart enough to figure out the backward relation.
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ts:dr; You lose at the INTARWEB!
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I never wanted to win at the INTARWEB.
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Exactly! Thus I support your cause!
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Wait... ...I have a cause?
Awesome! I have a cause!
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<whining deleted for brevity>
Think on that when you look over defense sets for your next Scrapper.
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I can only think of a few reasons this post was made.
1) fishing
2) troll
3) can't figure out how to play regen
4) knows regen is great and the most popular choice and is trying reverse psychology in the hopes it won't get nerfed.
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SC is wrong.
It's S A T Y R
noobs
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Actually I AM wrong, immediately after posting, I realized he was showing the pronounciation key not simply restateing the word. I briefly considered deleting my post , but decided I deserved any lumps thrown at me for posting in haste.
The Avalanche has already started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Blue Spot, Son Spot, Cyan Siren, Polar Gale, Scarlett Fury, Stygian Warlock, Lady Lilac, Elsbeth (villian), Furious Squirrel (villian)
Infinity server
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SC is wrong.
It's S A T Y R
noobs
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Actually I AM wrong, immediately after posting, I realized he was showing the pronounciation key not simply restateing the word. I briefly considered deleting my post , but decided I deserved any lumps thrown at me for posting in haste.
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I was going to point that out a while back, but my internet browser crashed, so i figured it was the coh gods telling me to leave you to figure it out yourself, lol.
@Mojo-
Proud Member of Fusion Force.
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In closing: LOL.
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Psst. You missed a joke.
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I don't think so. He LOL'd just fine.
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Someone get EvilGeko in here.
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The OP has made a reasoned and sensible post and I can do nothing more than agree. Well written sir, I applaud you.
I think it's clear that there is only one response that makes sense:
Buff Regen.
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Its pretty clear from the analysis that Regen needs more defense and resistance.
So the only logical solution is to swap Instant Healing for Lucky.
Regen is buffed and SR gets a small amount of healing. Everybody happy.
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Of course, Regen is so lucky that when we got Lucky it would come with all of the defense and scaling resists of Agile, Dodge and Lucky from the SR set.
Then Arcanaville would cry.
And the EvilGeko would collect her tears, chill them and toast the wisdom of Castle.
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That's revenge that is best served cold, not tears. Tears are a room temperature beverage.
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Someone get EvilGeko in here.
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The OP has made a reasoned and sensible post and I can do nothing more than agree. Well written sir, I applaud you.
I think it's clear that there is only one response that makes sense:
Buff Regen.
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Its pretty clear from the analysis that Regen needs more defense and resistance.
So the only logical solution is to swap Instant Healing for Lucky.
Regen is buffed and SR gets a small amount of healing. Everybody happy.
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Of course, Regen is so lucky that when we got Lucky it would come with all of the defense and scaling resists of Agile, Dodge and Lucky from the SR set.
Then Arcanaville would cry.
And the EvilGeko would collect her tears, chill them and toast the wisdom of Castle.
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That's revenge that is best served cold, not tears. Tears are a room temperature beverage.
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I'd say that depends on the salinity level of the tears in question. Flashing back a pair of years to a couple of doses of Fleet's Phospho-soda that I had to quaff as a prereq for an unpleasant medical procedure, I found the beverage to be much more palateable when it was very cold. Given the circumstances EG cited for your lacrimation, I suspect that it would follow a debaucherous evening featuring the consumption of multiple servings of potent potables of some sort, which could leave you quite dehydrated...
Just a thought.
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No really man, I had to stop doing research on my new SR build to reply to how much BS this is, most of your reasons for hating regen are completely null and it sounds like you are pulling the n00b mastermind stunt and neglecting your secondaries. I'd like to point out that every other set has more holes than regen (except maybe Willpower, since it's so spread out it doesn't get hit too hard by anything), Invunl has problems with elemental and energy heavy mobs, super reflexes has issues with lucky hits and +to hit, dark armor has problems with... ...actually now that I think about it dark armor is pretty effective once you hit SO level, and most of it's holes can be covered easily.
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Sir, I do not "hate" Regeneration. I am merely very disappointed in it, enough so to warrant me swearing off Regeneration and disavowing all evidence of me ever having a Regeneration Scrapper.
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I mean, for the record, I'm being completely serious. I'm hearing a lot of "OMG UR POST IS WRONG" but nothing disputing the actual numbers or observations in the guide.
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Damage mitigation is possible through three ways: One is by avoiding attacks (defense), another is by reducing damage (resistance) and the third is by preventing them from attacking (mezzes).
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If you're surrounded by five enemies and you've got defense, the five attack you but only two hit, that's 60% damage mitigation.
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If you're surrounded by five enemies and you've got resistance, the five attack you but have their damage reduced by half due, that's 50% damage mitigation.
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If you're surrounded by five enemies and you have some way to stop them from attacking, then the mitigation is variable but tends to be pretty high.
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If you're surrounded by five enemies and you're Regeneration, the five attack you and you take full damage. Zero damage mitigation.
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...and that alone is only a small part of why Regeneration is an inferior Scrapper set. This isn't as large an issue on Stalkers, because A: Stalkers have other, better options for secondaries anyway, and B: Stalkers aren't supposed to be attacked en masse in the first place.
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Well, the point is, everything has weaknesses, something is going to poke you in your sore spot from time to time and with a little effort you can usually get around it (heeeellloo, what are insps for class?).
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Good sir, I harbor no ill will, but I've shown that Regeneration has many, many smaller holes that add up to one enormous hole called "everything." I have seen people such as MagicFlyingHippy spend hundreds of millions of inf on IO builds dedicated to patching these holes and giving the set the defense and resistance it so desperately needs.
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On another note, I agree with Arcanaville's suggestion of giving Lucky to Regeneration and Instant Healing to SR. Considering that most Regeneration Scrappers end up cowering behind Tankers while the real heroes (like Blasters) lead the attack, the only thing they'll have to fear is AoEs targeting the Tanker (not coincidentally, this is why Spines/Regen is such a popular combination: All the ranged attacks mean that they won't have to worry about exposing their weak, defenseless selves to any danger).
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No really man, I had to stop doing research on my new SR build to reply to how much BS this is, most of your reasons for hating regen are completely null and it sounds like you are pulling the n00b mastermind stunt and neglecting your secondaries. I'd like to point out that every other set has more holes than regen (except maybe Willpower, since it's so spread out it doesn't get hit too hard by anything), Invunl has problems with elemental and energy heavy mobs, super reflexes has issues with lucky hits and +to hit, dark armor has problems with... ...actually now that I think about it dark armor is pretty effective once you hit SO level, and most of it's holes can be covered easily.
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Sir, I do not "hate" Regeneration. I am merely very disappointed in it, enough so to warrant me swearing off Regeneration and disavowing all evidence of me ever having a Regeneration Scrapper.
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I mean, for the record, I'm being completely serious. I'm hearing a lot of "OMG UR POST IS WRONG" but nothing disputing the actual numbers or observations in the guide.
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Damage mitigation is possible through three ways: One is by avoiding attacks (defense), another is by reducing damage (resistance) and the third is by preventing them from attacking (mezzes).
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If you're surrounded by five enemies and you've got defense, the five attack you but only two hit, that's 60% damage mitigation.
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If you're surrounded by five enemies and you've got resistance, the five attack you but have their damage reduced by half due, that's 50% damage mitigation.
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If you're surrounded by five enemies and you have some way to stop them from attacking, then the mitigation is variable but tends to be pretty high.
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If you're surrounded by five enemies and you're Regeneration, the five attack you and you take full damage. Zero damage mitigation.
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...and that alone is only a small part of why Regeneration is an inferior Scrapper set. This isn't as large an issue on Stalkers, because A: Stalkers have other, better options for secondaries anyway, and B: Stalkers aren't supposed to be attacked en masse in the first place.
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Well, the point is, everything has weaknesses, something is going to poke you in your sore spot from time to time and with a little effort you can usually get around it (heeeellloo, what are insps for class?).
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Good sir, I harbor no ill will, but I've shown that Regeneration has many, many smaller holes that add up to one enormous hole called "everything." I have seen people such as MagicFlyingHippy spend hundreds of millions of inf on IO builds dedicated to patching these holes and giving the set the defense and resistance it so desperately needs.
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On another note, I agree with Arcanaville's suggestion of giving Lucky to Regeneration and Instant Healing to SR. Considering that most Regeneration Scrappers end up cowering behind Tankers while the real heroes (like Blasters) lead the attack, the only thing they'll have to fear is AoEs targeting the Tanker (not coincidentally, this is why Spines/Regen is such a popular combination: All the ranged attacks mean that they won't have to worry about exposing their weak, defenseless selves to any danger).
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Not everyone that chooses regen will slot it properly. I have good experience with regen, just check my only fifty in my sig. Also he is trying to tell you that all scrapper secondaries have holes in them regardless how you feel about those secondaries. Remember you are talking about using numbers.
The only time I use the powers: Reconstruction, Dull Pain, Instant Healing is on the tough fights. This is true whether teamed or solo. No I do not draw aggro when there is a tanker on the team. Drawing aggro is the tanker's job. Just ask any of my sg mates in the Fighters of the Free World sg and they will tell you that I do not hide behind tankers. I have even face enemies +5 on teams.
For scrappers we have the fourth mitigation regenerating the damage taken. Yes there are times (very, very, very rare) when the enemies overwhelm your regeneration rate. And yes regen cannot survive the Alpha Strike, but I thought that was the tanker's job anyway. I think that you problems is that you cannot turn regen into a scranker. You want to be able to play a scrapper like a tanker.
Finally you have not address something that is a fact. Spines/Regen, DM/Regen are the two fastest leveling heroes in the game.
Ebony Fists: Level 50 DM/Regen Scrapper, Gloom Piston Robotics/Dark mastermind level 34, QueenFireMare: Level 34 Fire blaster (pure fire),
Sorry, OP...you talk a good point, but in the end, my MA/REGEN scrapper kicks [censored] all the way home and back.
I have huge regen (without breaking caps too), greate resistance (even to psi) and more.
I NEVER die in PVE, and run about 50-50 in PVP due to the fact that I'm new to the PVP aspect.
To sit there and type that no one should ever play a regen? Well, it's your time to waste, but when I stand over your broken corpse and laugh at you as you a) go to base, or b) go to hospital, you should understand a little better.
I heard everyone who played a /regen to 50 eventually died of cancer. True story.
"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
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Sorry, OP...you talk a good point, but in the end, my MA/REGEN scrapper kicks [censored] all the way home and back.
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*wishes to duel the hater of regen, and lover of invul*
seriously, if you even have one, put him on test and fight me :P
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
I hate to be the bringer of bad news... but Willpower sucks!!! you're better off rolling a regen
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^Professional Katana/regen build thread
Might want to retitle it to "Why Regen isn't the best."
Sure it has it's problems, but I (as many others.) Think it is fun to play, and that is the only thing that really matters.
Regen is fail because of OP posting it being fail.
Everyone else that is fail enough to think otherwise is wrong, duh.
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So, then you saw all the references to the other thread and saw the parity between the two as far as the OP goes, thus able to come to the obvious conclusion that the OP was in fact a spoof and in no way serious, thus not requiring a serious response, like the one you gave, right?
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can't have teh lulz w/o teh frunz.