whiteperegrine : archnemesis?~
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Posted on: 2006-11-09 22:07 in Multi-Media Fan Creations
A serial killer who keep crawling back from the grave?
Well, imo, a nemesis needs to represent the things that a hero fears most in order to be effective. So what's WP afraid, that relates to him? Losing control of his powers? A deep, unattended rage within himself? Maybe losing his own identity amidst the thousands of minds he must encounter everyday? Or perhaps someone, in particular, who he has already lost, and must face in the form of a villain.
In an order meant to represent these questions, I present these villain names to you.
Mindscream
Everwar
Identity Theif or Nameless
Once the lovely and faithful Golden Finch, now the merciless Tarnish
So basically, I think figure out what is hard for WP to face, and make that idea into a villain.
Archennemies are not necessarly the opposite of the heros ( Joker is not the opposite of batman)
They are however generally intertwined with the past of the hero. Therefore having a bit more background on WP would help come up with something credible.
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Joker is quite the opposite of Batman though.
Think about it loud colourful, very cheerful, against batman, dark cold methodical.
They are quite different. But your right not all nemesis are the opposite of the hero. And background is always helpful.
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A serial killer who keep crawling back from the grave?
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I like that, I like that a lot.
Getting back on track. Rambling here:
An Archnemesis may be many things but despite the many different why's and how's the one general theme that sticks out is obsession.
The Archnemesis is obsessed with achieveing a specific goal(s) (usually not good) against the Hero.
There is some aspect about the Hero or a key defining moment or encounter (direct or indirect - real or imagined) that is the cause of the Archnemesis' obsession.
The Archnemesis poses a very real (and almost constant) threat to the safety of the Hero (and public). The Archnemesis is generally equal or superior to the Hero in a specific area - powers, abilities, talents or resources.
Rambling ends... brain depleted. Hope that helps.
Serengeti_Lord, I think you missed the archnemisis by a hairs breath. The archnemisis is can very well be what one fears, but it really goes beyond that. Obsession is also in there, but again, it goes further. The best way to really think about the archnemisis / hero dynamic is through a Jungian point of view.
In a Jungian perspective, the hero represents the ego. He / she is our self image, what we think of when we think "me" though in the superhero vein, I guess the hero is a bit closer to who what we'd like to think of our selves as. Either way, the analogy still stands.
Now, the archvillan represents the shadow. Just as the hero is what we'd like to think of our selves as, the archvillan, or shadow, is everything we deny about our selves. The shadow is all those things we can't admit about our selves, all those horrible things about who we are that we just don't want to own up to.
In the Batman / Joker dynamic, the Joker truly represents everything Batman would never and could never admit about himself. His cold calculating distance and dark avenger like aura all work to hide the fact that he's just a obsessed lunatic with a borderline personality disassociation disorder from himself. The Joker is Batman unrepressed. Everything Batman works very hard at not being (but still deep down is) is the Joker.
In the Jungian psychological model, we can only ever truly know our selves once we have finally confronted out shadow and owned up to it. That, in essence is what every battle between the hero and the archnemisis is.
Either way, figure out who the WP is. Once you do that, an archnemisis shouldn't be hard to realize... it will seem completely natural and you wont need any gimmicks to make it work. Those will end up just being the icing on the cake as opposed to the meat of the meal. 
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Brilliant summation, Graver. Ego v. Id.
In the practical construction of White Peregrine's arch foe, there needs to be some consideration for the basic story elements. Is he going to be the opposite of WP, or merely his dark doppelganger?
If it were me, I might hit on the natural v. unnatural aspect. That could be mechanical, or perhaps (like the serial killer idea above) a supernatural, undead opponent. Or you could go with something like a carrion bird rather than the raptor. A vulture or condor. (Although now we have to consider trademark infringement.)
Ooh, it has come to me! The Carrion Crow! It has flight, it's black with sickly green highlights, it's a scavenger, and -- for good mirror imagery -- the name is the opposite of White Peregrine's syllablically.
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Some good insights into the idea of an archenemy in this thread. Getting a solid concept about their motivation goes a long way for developing the character.
One idea that came to me while reading this thread: I recall from the artwork you had DarkJedi do that White Peregrine has wings. You could have an archenemy that becomes obsessed with White Peregrine because he or she envies his wings or for some reason feels that a non-angelic with wings is somehow blasphemous. That sort of archenemy doesnt have to have had a direct encounter with WP in the past. Instead they become fixated on him from newspaper articles, TV shows, seeing him fly above the city, what have you. More of the obsessive fan (or anti-fan) rather than your old college roommate story. This individual starts stealing cutting-edge technology for the sole purpose of finding a means of destroying what their twisted mind sees as the evil white peregrine. Going that route you could do someone like Repentance, an AR/Rad or AR/Traps corruptor.
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Ooh, it has come to me! The Carrion Crow! It has flight, it's black with sickly green highlights, it's a scavenger, and -- for good mirror imagery -- the name is the opposite of White Peregrine's syllablically.
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Well done. That's the first truly original villain name I've heard in a while - a Carrion Crow. Most definitely.
I also agree with Graver's Ego vs. Id arguments.
I wholeheartedly agree with Graver. I think he and I were saying very much the same thing, I just didn't put it quite so scientifically/poetically. Anyway, in that Jungian model, here's an example of one of my character/nemesis concepts.
Former scientific partners, created in the same accident, two sides of the same coin. Exosteel and Everrage. Due to the accident, they are both invulnerable, but the severely mutated parts of them have super strength, too. For the somewhat sheepish Exosteel, this is only his left arm. Everrage's entire body was mutated, but they both realize that the change was not purely cosmetic. It has created a rage, chemical and insatiable, in both of them. Exosteel, in classic hero fashion, must battle to keep his rage under control and battle the embodiment of that anger, Everrage, who in his quest for power has given himself over completely to the urge for destruction and carnage. At the same time, as people before powers or mind altering events, Exosteel was a sheepish and shy man, whereas Everrage was brimming with confidence and rather attractive. It's a relationship filled with both loathing and envy for the hero. And Everrage sees it as his duty to educate Exosteel, through pain and loss, the tools he best understands after the accident, so that they can once again be partners.
So, there's my example story. I really like the Carrion Crow name, it's syllabic reversal of White Perergrine, and it's hard alliteration. Anyway, I hope that all this is helpful and I am not just creating exorbitantly long posts that are too self-centered to help. :P
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agreed on all accounts. and appreciate the input gang 
carrion crow...very nice...but I am sure the name is taken across the board...~
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~whiteperegrine~
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Now you guys have me thinking of my own Hero / Archnemesis creation and I'm thinking that I need to write up a deeper version of their bios so their antagonist relationship is way more obvious and less theoretical.
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hrmm..well as I suspected name taken..lol
although I do like the idea of "crow" ever linked to the dead and all things bad, or bad things to come. I prefer the latter two connection more than the former. I have played a little with the costume editor and already find that the look I want cant be represented (much like WP himself) using the current toolset offered. as such I may have ta do what I did with him....the conceptiual look versus the game look.
have to admit though, conceptually I am a little leary of using two avians...mainly due to the wings. picture wise I wonder if the the wings of our two folk here would become too dominate...not to mention kinda limiting the possiblilities. while WP are purely psychic manifestations I would rather not go that route with Crow. indeed...I may forego conventional wings altogether...although wings similar to the Falcon (marvel) where they attached to the arms may be kinda cool. (and the way I am leaning currently for conceptual look).
hrmmm...~
...the sword is truth...
~whiteperegrine~
Well I'll throw in my two inf. here. 
I don't really know too much about WP bio but based on the way he looks he seems very much a champion of light. Not a Dark Knight type but a true "do-gooder". Please don't take that term negatively at all. I LOVE that style of hero and it was in fact my very first level 50.
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Anywaaayyy. There seems to be trend to do an opposite take for the Arch-Villian and go with a dark theme. Nothing wrong with that but it got me thinking today.
What would WP really hate? What would inspire him to pursue this new villian beyond the norm? To really dispise the Bad Guy?
What if the bad guy was just like him? Well almost. I picture a villian who very much embodies all the things WP does but taken to an extreme that is so far it becomes evil. A bright shining anglelic figure with perhaps huge resources (bankroll) who wants to rid the world of unsavory elements TOTALLY. A guy who doesnt want the refuse of society clogging up his utopian dream at all. Maybe even a guy who is generally adored by the public. This could be anything from a real misguided angel like in the "Constantine" movie to a more "Luthoresque" golden boy with huge pockets and the publics favor.
They may have even been friends initially until it becomes obvious to WP that his "friend" will go to ANY means to achieve his goal of a perfect, trouble free society.
Just a different spin for ya. Good luck with this.
I'm disappointed that Carrion Crow is already taken. Well, shall we try for another type of archnemesis? For the game, I mean -- you can always use Carrion Crow and White Peregrine offline.
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Well I'll throw in my two inf. here.
I don't really know too much about WP bio but based on the way he looks he seems very much a champion of light. Not a Dark Knight type but a true "do-gooder". Please don't take that term negatively at all. I LOVE that style of hero and it was in fact my very first level 50.
Shameless plug...
Anywaaayyy. There seems to be trend to do an opposite take for the Arch-Villian and go with a dark theme. Nothing wrong with that but it got me thinking today.
What would WP really hate? What would inspire him to pursue this new villian beyond the norm? To really dispise the Bad Guy?
What if the bad guy was just like him? Well almost. I picture a villian who very much embodies all the things WP does but taken to an extreme that is so far it becomes evil. A bright shining anglelic figure with perhaps huge resources (bankroll) who wants to rid the world of unsavory elements TOTALLY. A guy who doesnt want the refuse of society clogging up his utopian dream at all. Maybe even a guy who is generally adored by the public. This could be anything from a real misguided angel like in the "Constantine" movie to a more "Luthoresque" golden boy with huge pockets and the publics favor.
They may have even been friends initially until it becomes obvious to WP that his "friend" will go to ANY means to achieve his goal of a perfect, trouble free society.
Just a different spin for ya. Good luck with this.
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I think I like this one the best.
ooo...theres a thought. his archnemesis isnt a "badguy" at all but another hero. classic supes versus bats type mentality...although I would make the bats version here a tad darker and possibly closer to the punisher or shadowhawk. loved by the masses for combating crime, on the whole, but totally against the grain for the way WP would have approached the baddie in question....
...WP is very much a "champion of light/do gooder" while he is a tad more secretive in his ways (secret identity etc) he is very much in the same vein as supes.
hmmm...really diggin the idea of archnemesis being another "hero" versus classic badguy. soooo many more ways you can play with the interaction between the two besides the stand fights and other staples of Good Guy [u]vs[u] Bad Guy.~
...the sword is truth...
~whiteperegrine~
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ooo...theres a thought. his archnemesis isnt a "badguy" at all but another hero. classic supes versus bats type mentality...although I would make the bats version here a tad darker and possibly closer to the punisher or shadowhawk. loved by the masses for combating crime, on the whole, but totally against the grain for the way WP would have approached the baddie in question....
...WP is very much a "champion of light/do gooder" while he is a tad more secretive in his ways (secret identity etc) he is very much in the same vein as supes.
hmmm...really diggin the idea of archnemesis being another "hero" versus classic badguy. soooo many more ways you can play with the interaction between the two besides the stand fights and other staples of Good Guy [u]vs[u] Bad Guy.~
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I was thinking the Punisher type thing too. I think you should go with that, WP.
Reading about peregrine falcons, apparently their only real predator (besides man) is the great horned owl. Back to the search!
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Oooo yeah. A vigilante justice seeker willing, even eager, to use deadly force. Perhaps even a guy who, when he shows up, seems like a version of WP that's got everything figured out already. I like it a lot.
likin the idea too....liking it a lot actually and really going that route atm. playing in costume shop now for some possibilities....leanin towards a gal currently as there is more to work with there across the board storywise. current name thought : stygian crow
...although that could change, it is the working name for me at this time.~
...the sword is truth...
~whiteperegrine~
Idea for a name: Red Dove? I mean you've got White Peregrine... 
red dove, a lil to peaceful for what I am looking for. while the name is good for the nice lil play given the intended violent nature it doesnt 'oppose' whiteperegrine to my liking.
...that said I do appreciate the thought you put into it though...very much indeed Derek. thanx
the current in game 'working' model of WP's archnemesis, I give thee the stygian crow.
...the in game working model is different that the conceptual look I am going for and I suspect I should have something sketched out tomorrow for her. also...may change, may not...just getting a feel for her at the moment...which I will say I like thus far...but things could change after I play 'er a bit and sleep on it.~
...the sword is truth...
~whiteperegrine~
how bout a beast master? a falconer? Will The Falconer's iron will be enough to tame the raptor of justice, White Peregrine?! Tune in next week!
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...I have had WP for a number of years now and in all that time I have never really developed a long standing archnemesis for him. while baddies have come and gone none stuck around to earn that ever desirable title of archnemesis.
so, what does that mean to you? probably not a damn thing but here I am none the less wasting your time. (am I really wasting your time though if you choose to be here?....but then I digress) Indeed...I am coming to you all to get a lil input and thought into the matter...
I had played with the idea of using a buncha opposing themes...cat/bird boy/girl...etc...but kinda dropped that line as it wasnt working out to my satisfaction. given you all have some nice creative minds that I have come to enjoy I figured I would seek a lil assistance.
anyways...so...should you care to put any thought into it, I put this lil thought before you:
when you see whiteperegrine who do you see facing off against him...?~
...the sword is truth...
~whiteperegrine~