Enemy Group Update - Wyvern
By
BlueHeeler,
Posted on: 2006-01-26 09:31 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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In the level 10-15 "Defeat the Wyvern financier and witnesses" mission from Radio Free Opportunity, didn't we find out that Wyvern in the Rogue Isles is specifically being paid by Longbow?
I guess where I'm going with this is roughly the same place the poster did who asked what's less deadly about a flamethrower when compared with arrows -- given that Wyvern is being paid by Longbow to kill the villains they're trying to kill in the Rogue Isles, how does this make Longbow any less dark?
Hmm.
Which raises the question, if Freedom Corps were going to hire a Paragon City mercenary company to supplement their attack on the Rogue Isles, why didn't they hire Hero Corp?
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Yes, they work together (and both with the Legacy Chain - all the "good" groups assist one another from time to time). The mission you're referring to is the one with the "financier" you have to take down (which is a Longbow soldier). I imagine that Longbow provides some funds to Wyvern in exchange for their assistance in the Rogue Isles, but Wyvern probably has their own separate contracts & employers there.
As far as Hero Corps - that's a good question. From what I understand of the lore, Hero Corps recruits local heroes, then assigns them local jobs via contracts with interested parties. So they sound more like a super-security force, than anything (probably similar to how Crey uses the Paragon Protectors).
On the subject of flamethrowers, well, they're tricky to deal with. Certainly some foes (like the Devouring Earth) are fair-game for any weapons. But I suppose you can argue that villains at our threat level are so dangerous (and well-protected) that flamethrowers aren't necessarily lethal. Besides, they have amazing Rikti-based medical technology to regenerate all the flesh they burn off you... 
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Thanks _Awry_... but a question. Does States know where the CoV page is or is he one of those anti-tech old fogeys?
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I believe that his IP is cleverly blocked from the CoV pagesÂ….
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Hmm...
Manticore: Mythical creature theme, spends enough money on a quiver of arrows to feed a third world country for a year.
Wyvern: Mythical creature theme, spends enough money on a quiver of arrows to feed a third world country for a year.
If it's this bloody obvious, and Statesman hasn't figured it out... do you honestly think he's got both the intelligence and the restraint to properly type a URL without picking up the desk and throwing it out the window?
It's pretty much the Freedom Phalanx in-joke at this point. Posi's been to the website, Brawler... well...read the comic, Psyche reads minds.
Posi: "Hey Statesman, look, it's those Wyvern guys"
Statesman: "So?"
Manticore: "Dude, shut up already"
Psyche: *mind whispers* "He totally doesn't have a clue!"
<all three giggle quietly>
Citadel: "I do not understand this human concept of humor. Has anyone seen my toothbrush?"
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In the level 10-15 "Defeat the Wyvern financier and witnesses" mission from Radio Free Opportunity, didn't we find out that Wyvern in the Rogue Isles is specifically being paid by Longbow?
I guess where I'm going with this is roughly the same place the poster did who asked what's less deadly about a flamethrower when compared with arrows -- given that Wyvern is being paid by Longbow to kill the villains they're trying to kill in the Rogue Isles, how does this make Longbow any less dark?
Hmm.
Which raises the question, if Freedom Corps were going to hire a Paragon City mercenary company to supplement their attack on the Rogue Isles, why didn't they hire Hero Corp?
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Yes, they work together (and both with the Legacy Chain - all the "good" groups assist one another from time to time). The mission you're referring to is the one with the "financier" you have to take down (which is a Longbow soldier). I imagine that Longbow provides some funds to Wyvern in exchange for their assistance in the Rogue Isles, but Wyvern probably has their own separate contracts & employers there.
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True. Wyvern is working with and paid by Longbow in the Rogue Isles. Probably just to have the extra professional manpower around, and even if you don't believe in lethal force and all that you can at least see the value of having people around who do. Sort of like how the US Army will hire professional military contractors at times.
Anyway even though Wyvern is working for Longbow they're not working *only for Longbow. There's a Cap au Diable story arc in which you find out that they've also been hired by Prof Echo for example.
Very interesting...
but, frankly, Wyvern is (in my opinion) not even remotely as bad as Longbow. Yeah, the Wyvern guys use paralyzing poisons and rough methods, but they don't pretend to be goodie-guys.
And they don't use flamethrowers. Napalm and jellied gasoline, that's heroic?
Besides, Wyvern don't wear that stupid red and white "Hit me!" spandex with those stupid little goatees like Longbow.
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If only TA/A was as deadly as these Wyvern guys make it seem.
Seriously Devs, take a note, TA/A Defenders or Archery blasters would probably love to be as deadly as these guys :P
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Don't know if it was the power sets I happened to be running at the time, but the generic minion Wyverns seem to do much more damage with their kicks than their arrows. I usually try to keep them at range, where they're safe 
Why did they call the ARCHER group Wyvern
and the Flamethrower/mini-gun group LONGBOW?
That's bass-ackwards...
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On the subject of flamethrowers, well, they're tricky to deal with.
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But I suppose you can argue that villains at our threat level are so dangerous (and well-protected) that flamethrowers aren't necessarily lethal.
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lol i no rite?!
Why is it that everyone is questioning the use of flamethrowers, machine guns, napalm, and whatnot... when even the weakest of us can take a missile or three (or Warburg rocket) to the face? These things (+ a knife in the spine) might make us pass out and that's about it.
You also get those people who say they don't feel "super." Is anyone actually paying attention to what's happening on their screen? =P
Random Villain: hay guyz i dun feal super
Random Hero: Nor I.
[both take a deathray laser to the eye]
Random Villain: lolwut?
Random Hero: Did you feel something?
Random Villain: kekeke i lost liek 20 hp wut loserz
Random Hero: *looks at his Health Bar* Hn. That was barely a tick!
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Why did they call the ARCHER group Wyvern
and the Flamethrower/mini-gun group LONGBOW?
That's bass-ackwards...
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So is the fact that Wyvern soldiers have arms (since, you know, the big difference between Wyverns and Dragons is that Wyverns don't have arms)... but then, I guess that'd just be cruel and not quite PC.
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On the subject of flamethrowers, well, they're tricky to deal with.
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But I suppose you can argue that villains at our threat level are so dangerous (and well-protected) that flamethrowers aren't necessarily lethal.
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lol i no rite?!
Why is it that everyone is questioning the use of flamethrowers, machine guns, napalm, and whatnot... when even the weakest of us can take a missile or three (or Warburg rocket) to the face? These things (+ a knife in the spine) might make us pass out and that's about it.
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My problem is that bows are considered these super lethal weapons while longbow is somehow held to a higher nonlethal standard while using other weapons.
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My problem is that bows are considered these super lethal weapons while longbow is somehow held to a higher nonlethal standard while using other weapons.
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It's not really that. It's execution. Longbow is most likely going to use whatever means to incapacitate you quickly... but they're also going to stop, once you start twitching. With Wyvern, it's more of a slow and painful thing... and I doubt they're going to stop firing, once you put your hands up.
Actually, I tried to surrender to longbow once. They didn't stop spraying me with flamethrowers or trying to use me as depleted uranium storage.
It was about there I realized the futility of surrender. It never gets you anywhere, it's embarrassing, and you don't get any badges for it.
Running yourself into the ground and faceplanting:
It's embarassing, and it also doesn't get you anywhere... but at least there are badges for it.
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My note to Wyvern: Bring it. I need some new ice statues to sell to the Giza.
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Also, I beleive that another differenceis that Longbow is obeys the nebulous laws of military engagement like a regular army, whereas Wyvern just gets the job done, no questions asked.
If Longbow harmed a bunch of civilians taking down a villain, they'd answer for it in court. If Wyvern did it, they wouldn't mention it to their employer, and their employer wouldn't ask.
Longbow would go out of their way to deliver a trussed and unconscious villain to the authorites. Wyvern might just show up with a DNA sample and a Cryptic, "Target Neutralized for the forseeable future. Money please."
Story Arcs I created:
Every Rose: (#17702) Villainous vs Legacy Chain. Forget Arachnos, join the CoT!
Cosplay Madness!: (#3643) Neutral vs Custom Foes. Heroes at a pop culture convention!
Kiss Hello Goodbye: (#156389) Heroic vs Custom Foes. Film Noir/Hardboiled detective adventure!