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Quote:Thats kinda the difference between pure PVP and RP PVP.Originally Posted by PureAmerican
I think folks are making this a bit more complicated than it needs to be, rules of engagement ? really ? It's about having fun slapping each other around and running around all cwazy like.
Either way .... the door is allways open.
PVP is just for slapping each other around and your enjoyment mileage may vary.
RP PVP is for a story, and given the broad group of people you are bringing in along with different skill levels you need to have some rules of engagement set out so that its fun and not an exercise in frustration for everyone.
This isn't to say that there weren't times, like Apoph mentioned where it was just an all out rumble. Depends on the event, depends on the people. Just like different PVP events have different rules, what inspirations if any are allowed, whether you can hosp, etc. -
Quote:I can run pretty much everything cranked to max on my machine, with the exception of occulsion. It is a fairly heavy FPS hit when I turn it on/up.Originally Posted by Strike_Hawk
...and what are you using to do it. I have been looking for a thread showing exactly what it takes to run Ultra Mode at max settings and keep a decent frame rate.
Lets say for the sake of the thread decent frame rate is minimum above 30 fps.
So tell us if you have it maxed, and what your build includes (GPU, CPU, RAM, MOBO)
Thanks.
I run at 200% detail, 8x AA, everything else on and set to the highest. I generally run occulsion on quality or performance if I want the increase. I'd imagine I'd probably want one of the newest video cards like a GeForce 460 to avoid that issue.
System:
Intel Core i7 920
Intel DX58SO mobo (There is a better 2nd gen of this board being released shortly, great board but it has some positioning weirdness)
6 GB of DDR 3 PC3-12800 (Patriot Viper specifically)
GeForce 260 GTX Core 216 896 MB (EVGA)
I'd probably replace that 260 with a 460 Fermi card now in order to get better FPS and occulsion support. The machine I'm using now is a bit over 2 years old now. Also as a note I'm running a dual monitor set up as well. Two 20.1" LCDs, resolution 1680x1050. -
VirtueVerse has now been locked down. The site will remain read only and information on how to access the site on the new server will be provided once the migration has been completed.
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Quote:What I think a lot of people don't understand is that RPVP events tend to be done with a bit of a gentleman's agreement. All out PVPers generally come but aren't rushing out to beat the snot immediately out of the opposing team. There is also a bit of scripted nature combined with some chance opportunity. I know when Kadekawa use to run these events he'd talk to everyone, make sure the uber players turned it down a notch and that everyone had fun with a focus on the event/story rather then a brawl.Originally Posted by GreySquirrel
Frankly, I'm not inclined to RPPvP for most stories at all. Even the name is a misnomer. There's a couple reasons for that.
1. When you're PvPing, you have no time to RP.
2. RPPvP replaces creativity and role-playing with speed-twitch ability.
I have a character who's quite good at PvP, but I don't RPPvP with her. Simply put, she's not supposed to be as powerful as she is in PvP, and I'm not about to abuse a game system that wasn't designed for RP in order to let her win. So while taking a random fight to the arena is fun occasionally (as in, your character won't stop bugging me and I have nothing to do anyway), its not a good tool for ongoing RP, because it forces mechanics not intended to interact with RP into RP, and that never goes well, regardless of whether its an MMO or a pen and paper game.
Then there's the other side of the issue, as to why RPPvP is usually needed. Apophasis does have a good point there, that sometimes, there's not agreement as to where a story should head, and there's no good way to decide, other than the arena. That's a shame, really, but its also more common than it needs to be. That's mostly due to the newer generation of RPers not knowing about (or rejecting) what's called the RPer's Contract (and there's a lot of different names for it, that's just the one I first heard). Probably many who are reading this thread already know what that is, but for those who don't, I'll try to encapsulate briefly.
1. Don't play other people's characters for them. This means ever really, including things like this. (Incorrect: "I smash my fist into your nose." Correct: "I swing my fist at your nose.")
2. Don't godmode. Your character shouldn't ever be able to block everything, dodge everything, always hit, be immune to everything, etc. If you're in a fight, take a few punches. Yeah, you're superpowered. So's the other guy. (Unless she's explicity not, of course.)
3. No meta-gaming (knowing stuff your character wouldn't know on his own).
If those guidelines are applied, 99% of any disagreements can be handled without needing to resort to non-RP solutions. Problem is, players that are actually capable of using those guidelines are becoming fewer and fewer.
If you (and the people you RP with) are able to use those guidelines, you'll never have to worry about needing to use PvP at all to settle anything. If you (or the people you RP with) can't or won't use them, then RPPvP comes in, because all RPPvP is, is a crutch for an inability to resolve character issues through RP.
(In order to keep from derailing this thread, if there's going to be some sort of debate over the guidelines themselves as opposed to the nature of the statement, IM me, or poke me in RPVirtue, or copy the rules to a new thread or something, please.)
Edit: I neglected to mention at all the OP's addressing of RPPvP events. I'm actually for the events, provided they've got an actual story behind them, and aren't just a scheduled excuse to pretend like you're RPing.
This way people have time to RP/talk and interact beyond just hack and slash. And you also generally have someone there playing moderator/story master. That person is generally the person who organized the event, knows the story and is able to guide the group.
But there is also a level of imagination needed as well, if someone accidentially dies, or auto fires a power you let it go.
The things I tend to use RPVP for are more dynamic story situations, where the story has an opportunity to branch and I want to let people act it out. During one of the SCORPIO stories we had agents tracking down a mercenary that operated generally out of the Isles but was suspected of breaking into Freedom Base to steal some operational data from Longbow that was tied directly to the story the Scorpio agents were working on.
I grabbed my stalker (the mercenary) and a few friends and we led them on a merry chase through Bloody Bay. They could either catch me, and my team, or we'd get away, but in the background another character was working to attempt to extract the same data while the chaos was interrupting Longbow activities in Bloody Bay.
They didn't catch the mercenary (close a few times), and she managed to deal a blow to Colonel Hero which started a bit of a rivalry between them. Had they caught her I would have given them more intel for the story they wouldn't have otherwise gotten till way later. But regardless it was fun and interactive. I especially enjoyed sulking around behind a agent standing on a pier and talking even though they couldn't see me, taunting them.
And its also important to note that even in conflict situations not every character resorts immediately to action.
So the use of RP PVP really has nothing to do with needing to resort to another method of conflict resolution. Sometimes its just more fun. Because otherwise how else would we have done the event like I mentioned above? This was also before AE though it is probably still more fun as a RP PVP event in a zone then AE. -
Quote:Or more likely, this post from OCR was coming and simply wasn't finished. The original lead on the layoffs was an anonymous tip from someone probably trying to stir the pot.Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
Correct. In the past we would have gotten a good-bye announcement from either him or the OCR. At the very least we would be informed that a popular Dev is no longer the one to look to. It's obvious that this policy has since been amended to a much stricter 'HR approved only comments'
type relationship. No clue why, I'm just trying to roll with it.
I think Paragon was just as caught off guard by this announcement as we are and unfortunately now with the leak they may not be able to say anything because of labor laws. -
Quote:I've had more then a few jobs where I had months notice of layoffs.Originally Posted by BrandX
Though it should be noted, that sometimes, it means exactly that. It's not like a lot of companies like to give their employees notice of lay offs, as that tends to drive work down.
At least, my experience in the job market has said, no employer has ever given a two weeks notice.
It depends on the industry and market your in honestly and what exactly you do. It also depends on who the person being laid off is, if they're an integral part of operations you don't do that quickly necessarily, sometimes you want an overlap period to adjust with them gone.
And as SilverAgeFan said, sometimes they're mutual, company needs to make a budget fix, someone is already looking elsewhere, so they make a plan.
But we'll never know those details because its private.
My bet however is that he's already set up elsewhere, someone mentioned Carbine and thats a very likely possibility. He's a seasoned animator, its not a far stretch to think that NCSoft may have wanted him on another, non-Paragon, project. -
Quote:I refer you to this:Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
My understanding was that new people hired to complete a big project were the ones to be let go when the project was done; not keep the new people, and let those who have been with the project forever go in their place.
It would be good for someone in the know to let us know exactly what is going on here, because from where I sit, letting a developer of this standing go is actually quite an ominous development.
If he left voluntarily, now is the time to let us know. Because if it was not a voluntary leaving, if I worked there I would be really, really nervous. They let BaB go....? Crap, then nobody's job is safe.
Our economy in microcosm.
Good luck BaB, no matter what ended up going down.
Quote:Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan
Folks need to slow down a moment. IF BABs is indeed gone, a few things to keep in mind:
- Laid off is not the same thing as fired, not by a longshot.
- Laid off is not always a hostile parting, in fact sometimes it is quite amicable.
- Related, I have seen a few occasions where honorable employees who are ready to move on will essentially "jump on a the layoff grenade" for their fellow workers. Details I have witnessed included:
- Senior employees aware that either they go or three people from their department go to make budget lines doing so out of protest and a protective sense
- Employees with other opportunities and offers already waiting in the wings making things easier on their bosses. (For some bosses layoffs are the toughest part of their job. Period.)
- Accepting a nice severance for volunteering to retire early or take the layoff for the team, conveniently coming at a time when said employee is already ready for a change (either of career, employment status, or just three months off)
In other words, if he was laid off, there is a whole lot of none-of-our-business (good or bad) behind the situation. BABs has done some great work over the years during his tenure with CoX. And even if he wasn't laid off, think about it, 5 or so years is a Looooooong time to hold a position in as dynamic an industry as his.
In time, I'm sure we'll learn the truth of this rumor regarding his status. But for now folks, slow down a little on this one. -
Quote:We have no idea if this wasn't a joint decision. In fact we have no details about what exactly went down. For all we know BaBs selected to leave and or is being moved to something else. They could have decided months ago that his job would be removed after Going Rogue launched.Originally Posted by ArwenDarkblade
This upsets me a great deal, as BaB was not only a valuable asset to the game, but he was friendly, accessible, and downright likable. He was always willing to listen to the players and took great care to explain things to us so we'd understand. He addressed my own concerns with weapon scaling and customization, and made it a point at the first HeroCon to pull me aside and explain his position to me in detail. That meant a lot to me.
I'm incredibly disappointed by the actions of Paragon Studios today.
So I wouldn't jump to conclusions that something horrible or evil happened.
I think its more shame on whoever did the tip off. They're stirring up the pot nothing more. BaBs did cut off his community contact on his own awhile ago. -
Quote:I expect to see plenty of updates via twitter or here or something! I want to know the panel secrets!Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Right, I figured we could copy over the talk pages if we wish.
And, yes, I wondered if the embedding feature could alleviate some of the picture/file hosting issues! I really only have one file that I don't think I could get under 150, but I could even be wrong about that.
Excellent!
And, as for you being busy with that all weekend...
I shall say a toast to you at the NYCC Meet and Greet!
Thanks again!
Still angry I'm going to be missing out on the NYCC Meet and Greet. But gotta save the money for PAX East. -
Quote:The old site will remain up for a time to allow people to copy their own talk pages and any content not brought over automatically. It will however remain read only.Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Hehe, I meant to reply to your previous post...
I'm both very happy and excited and a little worried/concerned and a bit sad that I need to fix my under 300mb but over 150mb images!
And the talk pages.
However, I don't want to come off as sounding negative... As I know that the benefits will outweigh the negatives!
I really hope that the embedding feature will not be abused and works out. That alone could be great.
I hope all goes well!
Will we be making new user accounts with the move? (That's what I assume, anyway, with the removal of user accounts and the new spiffy registration)
Thanks a ton to all those involved!
You don't even get half of half (maybe even less) the credit you deserve!
I'd think that the people's love for that work is shown in the rampant usage of the service.
Thank you!
As far as your large images go, we're going to be allowing offsite images. There will be some caveats to this and those haven't been decided and we will possibly also restrict where you can host those images from as well. I'll try to get more details on that up this weekend.
Everyone will be required to register again, no user accounts will be brought over automatically.
And thanks, its looking like its going to be mostly me this weekend doing the transfers, so I appreciate the luck. -
Just a friendly reminder guys. This is happening tomorrow. VirtueVerse will be read only and will be moving to its new home.
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Quote:I have no idea how you can be a pretend RPer.Originally Posted by Malech
You gave me no examples here of how there was any roleplay pvp that was actually roleplay pvp not pvpers pretending to be roleplayers. So unless you can you know, find an example thats not some obscure event, I'll just give you the same treatment you gave me. you don't know what your talking about your wrong.
But here you go, two events, posted on Virtueverse in story form that were RPVP events. These are the two major ones I was involved with that were part of the original groups mentioned in the OP and sadly at the tale end of the RPVP heyday.
Project A.R.E.S. involved members of several super groups and villain groups including the Hyperion Force as the main group. We had several players play the part of the villains in the story and all of the story events were handled in the arena including the rescue of Ava Adore.
http://www.virtueverse.com/index.php...e/Project_Ares
The Liberty Bowman story was actually fairly large it involved a large number of groups and was done in both PVP zones, the arena and in PVE. This was a fairly complex story and Ava along with the Hyperion Force and Archon X were only involved with the story end and the Bowman's rescue. Kadekawa was actually killed during one of the finale operations tied to this story. (http://juggertha.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d1hkq34 Juggertha did some awesome artwork of Kadekawa's final mission)
http://www.virtueverse.com/index.php...Missing_Bowman
More recently SCORPIO has done operations that were in PVP zones, we use to run patrols and RP in the zones and arena. We've even ran a few minor story bits in the PVP zones, there were parts of our With Leave (http://www.virtueverse.com/index.php...y_9/With_Leave) storyline that happened in Bloody Bay and Sirens.
We also use to do zone PVP regularly, it was a lot of fun too especially when random people would show up and join in, especially in Bloody Bay.
Mada Zarifa vs Colonel Hero
SCORPIO defends their temporary control of the Arachnos Base in Bloody Bay
Thats just what I could dig up in a few minutes. The real downside is I just don't have the time anymore to organize the RP events never mind RPVP events I was running with Scorpio. But we do still use PVP for story events when it fits. And we do still occasionally hit up the Arena for Training Simulations.
Edit: One more I thought of, when SincereAgape and Neo Trick Shot were married Ghost Widow showed up and kidnapped Agape and if I remember correctly dragged him off to Bloody Bay. The wedding party then rushed to the rescue to save him and several villains arrived to thwart them.
These are just a couple examples of people who are role players also PVPing, and very few of them had PVP builds. We did it for fun, we did it for story. This did happen and still does to some extent. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Malech
Someone asked me to post here and I will, virtue has never had an active rp pvp community, it had pvp rp events that were run by pvpers. Thats it. The rp playing base on virtue of whoever attended those events is almost all gone. The remaining player base on virtue dosen't rppvp because our game is built up in cliques with different sg's demanding all the other sg's realize how awesome they are. People are too used to doing rp plots were mary su generic characters win everything, because of this most rpers are way too afraid to lose.
The complaints about the new system are moot at this point, it's been almost two years since i13 was launched people have had that long to prepare new builds and try pvping again. In a game known for it's quick leveling it's a joke for anyone to complain they don't have the build to pvp or their characters concept dosen't fit. Roll a new toon if you want to pvp and get a different concept. Yes pvp has changed, get over it.
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As someone who was part of the RPvP community that use to thrive on Virtue you really don't know what your talking about. We used the crap out of base raiding for RPvP back in the day and the PVP zones for RP events.
The ability to build a base dojo then actually have duels in them really never got old. And being able to actually chase a fugitive through a zone thats being manned by a real person is a lot of fun. And before you had AE it was sometimes the only way to run a story.
We ran the Liberty Bowman plot that way on Virtue, he was taken out during another operation in Bloody Bay and they created a story around his kidnapping. And thats just one example.
Not every SG on the server is into the Mary Sue always win god mode. Maybe the groups you run with, but not any of the ones I've been involved with. I also know groups that still use PVP in RP though not generally in the zones, mostly they use the arena for duels/training/simulations.
Sometimes RPvP has nothing to do with winning/losing, sometimes its just the ability to be able to play out whats happening.
Actually slicing the bad guy with your sword is way more fun then "/em slashes bad guy in the face".
Its like AE, use it in a creative fashion.
I'm a fairly heavy story based RPer and I'd chose PVP over text fighting any day. Its more fun as long as you don't get a group of people who are more interested in winning then story/fun. But thats a consideration for anything in the game when RP is involved.
As for the OP:
I really enjoy RPVP and I sadly got into it with the Shinsengumi at the tail end of its heyday with the Liberty Bowman event. I find it hard honestly finding other people who are up for it, and I sadly don't have the skill that Kadekawa had in convincing people to actually try it.
But if someone managed to set up a group or some events I would LOVE to get back involved and help how I can. -
Quote:Well one important thing to note, this move is going to allow the Admin to run the maintenance scripts more effectively that up to now haven't been as easy to run given the out of date mediawiki software.Originally Posted by Crazy_Dragon
This I can live with.
(Maybe it'll convince Tech to get his own damn photobucket account instead of using the Handbook to hold his bug/griefer shots.
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Quote:I -believe- we can do Union in a more automatic fashion, however even with that said I almost don't know if we should. There is much to be said about keeping all of the page history and user accounts, but there is also a lot of junk filling up the system from bot accounts (even banned ones) to history on bot pages. History content takes up a very large chunk of the data footprint for both wikis.Originally Posted by Pious
Thank you for all your hard work ransim. Much appreciated. It's great to see our much loved Unionverse and Virtueverse shall soon have a new and better server home. I understand the content exodus might possibly be automatic for the Union wiki? If not, I'm free this October to help with the manual migration.
Union, compared to Virtue will be fairly easy to move in the more manual style, it only have 1700 articles compared to almost 10K. The real snag for Union might be images. There are almost 800 images on the site right now that are above 150K. I don't know offhand how many of those are unused, but those would need to be looked at separately once the migration happens.
We'll be leaving the .com address on the old server for a month or two to allow for people to go back and grab anything.
The new server will also have a hard restriction on file upload sizes, most likely 150 kb, thats why we decided to allow the widgets and for people to use offsite images (like photobucket and the such).
As for the migration, firstly we need some people to hammer the new server for a few days for testing, so if anyone is interested toss me a PM and I'll send over the address.
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Quote:Hah yes, both Virtueverse and Unionverse will have a similar set up for the features/software. The content will be different along with the skin.Originally Posted by Crazy_Dragon
(O_O)
*HAPPYSPLOSION!!*
(This is getting added to Unionverse too, right? Right!? *begbegbegbegbeg*) -
Hey guys! I'm just passing some info on. We're going to be migrating Virtueverse to the new server starting the weekend of Oct 8-11. We're hoping to do Union the following weekend Oct 15-18.
What this means is the site is going to be on complete lockdown and users will be directed to the new site once its ready.
Check out this post for some details on new features coming with the upgrade: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...&postcount=615
Please make sure this message gets passed along. Its a big deal and I want to make sure everyone has a heads up to whats happening. -
Update on Server Migration:
Hey guys, we're just about ready to start the process of migrating the content over to the new server. We're asking everyone to pass this information on to your friends and supergroups that use VirtueVerse so everyone is aware!
Some details about the migration, the import process we'll be using is a bit more intensive and not as automated as we'd have preferred, because of that the site is going to be unavailable for a four day period. We're also going to ask that everyone verifies their content is all there afterwards, we'll be leaving the old site up for a short period to allow this.
There is also going to be some content that is not going to be imported, those details will be provided below.
Testers Needed! We're also looking for a few people willing to help us test some of the new wiki features on the new server. So if you are interested toss me a PM here and we'll get you set up.
Migration Details
When: October 8 - 11th
What: Migration of VirtueVerse to a new server (Unionverse will come a week later)
What content won't be coming over with the import:- Page History
- User Accounts
- Any images over 150 KB will not be imported along with any unused images.
- Talk pages
What content should be imported:- All wiki pages
- All main namespace content (characters, stories, etc)
- Categories
- Templates
- All images under 150 KB that are in use as of the lock down
New Features Preview: (list subject to change/updates)
Security:- Added ReCaptcha to user registration. Captcha will not appear for registered users.
Content:- Added support for easy article creation via a form.
- Added support for widgets. Widgets will allow users to easily pull in outside content including:
- Youtube Videos
- RSS Feeds
- Picasa gallery slideshows
- Flickr Search Slideshow
- Twitter feeds
Please note the Widgets are going to be on a trial basis, we'll be asking everyone to moderate themselves and others. If this gets abused we will remove it for everyone. -
Quote:Annoyed no.Originally Posted by Peregrine_Falcon
I'm a paying customer. Courteously offering a list of complaints that I have about a service that I'm paying for is not whining.
For those of you that are tired of reading forum posts complaining about the MA I can only say: I'm not going to apologize if you're annoyed by people who don't agree with you that everything is Happy Happy Joy Joy with the MA.
However this isn't the place for it. This is an announcement for a contest, not an invitation people to gunk up the thread with complaining.
Start a thread with your issues, PM Dr. Aeon with your concerns. But its completely off topic and a thread jack. -
Quote:>_>Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
I can't believe this ****.
You guys (you know who you are) whine and complain about being ignored for months on end and then when you have a chance to get noticed, and most of all to have the MA get noticed by the rest of the players, you still don't like it.
I'm gonna enter this sucker and I'm gonna win because all my competition will be complaining and whining.
Love you guys but cheer up.
<_<
It scares me that I had the same exact idea.
Honestly I don't get the whining, I still use AE, a lot actually. Its one of the best tools available for driving SG storyline content I no longer have to force my stories to fit into existing missions/content. If I want a in game encounter to go with a major storyline I can do that!
So while I don't often write long story arcs, I use it constantly for one/two story arcs tied to a larger storyline.
I'm not sure there is much the devs can do about the farm junk because the best they could do would be to wipe everything. And then people would just whine about having to republish or having lost their rating.
Its a situation they can't win at.
So... tl;dr I'm going to take some of my precious lacking time and write a cool arc. -
I'd love to come, but NYC is just a wee bit pricey after a trip to Seattle for PAX and we're going to Chicago the weekend before NYCC for an Atari Teenage Riot show.
Le Sigh. So no live tweeting from this panel for me.
Here's hoping the team is going to make it out to Boston for PAX East next year! -
Quote:Except people use VirtueVerse for setting up RP events and running stories as well.Originally Posted by Runo
To everyone concerned with this issue I'm about to address:
Hopefully this will help absolve any confusion about the purpose of the Wiki. Please note:
The RPV Wiki is NOT a replacement or counteract to Virtueverse, and its staff fully encourages you to continue to use VV, as it's an excellent place to post character biographies; however, RP Virtue is designed to provide fair grounds for any roleplayers to post event setups, information, summaries, and even stories.
The entirety of the RP Virtue moderator staff aren't here to step on your alls' toes -- we're almost all avid users of Virtueverse and fully encourage VV users to keep using VV, after all. ;>
I understand where the anger and perplexion is coming from, but that was hopefully just due to poor wording on my part. I hope this helps.
I don't really see the point of splitting community attention in multiple directions. If you think VirtueVerse is just for Character Bios you've barely scratched the surface of the content people have put there. -
Quote:We've tried several methods of processing large database dumps. Unfortunately its just to much and fails before completing, the server actually runs out of memory. There are also a few issues related to the platform change, the new server is a windows server, the old server was linux based.Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Hehe, I hope you got the reference.
And... Ouch!
I understand completely.
Hrm... The only thought I can offer, which I'm sure has come to the more knowledgeable minds than mine already working on this... If you can compress/shrink the existing backups somehow in order to create enough space.
However, I don't know that you can really compress text files much smaller than they are in there.
Hrm...
Probably tomorrow I'm going to drop a fresh install of Mediawiki on the new server and work with the Admin to snag a decent size dump of content as XML and see if its possible to import those instead.
Its a slower process and has limitations (with images), and will probably require a few days where the site is locked down. But it may allow us to migrate without having to bring over all of the old revision history or forcing people to do it manually. -
Quote:HahOriginally Posted by Electric-Knight
There's simply too much text. Just take some words out.
If it was that easy I would have. Unfortunately the site is in a bit of a conundrum.
Need to remove tons of old revision history.
Need the new server and more space to effect the upgrade that will allow for removing the old revision history.
Can't move content to new server for upgrade...
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Quote:I know who the hami raid leader is, its a sekret.Originally Posted by Zombie Man
It would be... gratifying... to know.
I think?