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In addition to anatomy, though, it helps to learn how clothing fits and falls. You have a great beginning grasp, now go the cheap route and learn how different material falls and drapes. Get yourself some magazines; I recommend Vogue, Vanity Fair, and Details. I'll generally get them and then go through them and tear out the pages I like, recycling the rest. I keep the pages in a folder for references. This can also help you learn anatomy and give you poses that you don't often see in the anatomy books.

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This does help, but it's pretty advanced. I struggle SOOO much with clothing! I mean, making leather drape like leather and silk drape like silk. It all looks like cotton in my stuff.

He's gonna be so stoked!

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Looks good so far. BTW, you missed a bit of wall between the telephone cord and her left elbow.

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Good eyes! Yeah, it appears to be missing a little color there.

Those look really good! The only thing I would say is pretty much I think said before which is brush up on anatomy, eyes location to mouth to head to ears, etc. I love the colors and I think you pick good poses!

That looks really good! Keep it up, I'd read it!

er... I mean... I hate cat girls, grumble grumble... quick before anyone sees me reading it. <.<

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...that doesn't make sense. He should do it for free, since we're all comrades, and the regular taxibot should charge a fee because of capitalism.

Tell them I said to change their behaviours.

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are you russian? do you have socialist country? I don't think so, capitalist pig. You can walk for not breaking the backs of our brothers work in the motherland. Listen yankee, in mother russia, the taxi takes you, okay? you get now? heh heh heh It is funny, no?

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hmm ya know...


I've seen a comic with no words but letting the pictures tell the story. But i can't say that i've seen a comic released with no art..


Just saying.

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Actually... I can argue this.

Marjane Satrapi did a graphic novel that has very, very simple pictures, the kind of pictures your kid sister could draw. Not very impressive by themselves. I personally would not read the book just on the pictures, basically. However, the writing is really interesting and engaging. Turns out it's a really popular book and got turned into an animated movie. Even though the pictures are really something your kid sister could draw.

Then comic writers like Warren Ellis, Garth Ennis, Joss Whedon, and yes, even Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman are incredible comic book writers.

In the first Sandman book, the art was really good but not spectacular. Yet it didn't matter because the writing is what really drove it. Garth Ennis's artist, Steve Dillon is a good artist but not the best out there, yet The Preacher is really popular, mostly because of the writing (sorry Steve, I really do love your art but Garth is THAT good).

And then you have Warren Ellis and Darick Robertson, one the best comic writers and one of the best comic artist out there (IMO) doing Transmetropolitan which just gives me a happy because it's so incredibly good (again IMO).

So, I really do believe that artists and authors need each other and should really respect each other (unless they're one in the same then they can do what ever the heck they want, DAMN YOU MIKE MIGNOLA).

The thread was dead and I was going to bed then someone started yelling.

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Every artist has a 1000 bad drawings in them that they have to get out. Londer, even if you're not FINISHING a piece, you're still learning from it...

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It's true. But I am a lazy artist. Ask scarf or anachro. They both kick my [censored] to try and get me to do more work.

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No, I get that. what I'm saying is that you arrived here with a chip on your shoulder. It was evident in your initial post, and it's been clear in a number that followed.

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I don't know about the chip but he was definitely looking for sympathy for his frustration with artists... which was a bad idea in a nail chewing, starving artist, forum.

"wait, you really hated your previous artists and now you want me to invest time I don't have into free art in order to sympathize for your hatred for your previous artists..."

*VICIOUS CYCLE VICIOUS CYCLE*

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I'm working on my own comic right now. I'm writing it. I'm drawing it. And I'm coloring it.

I'm on page 2.



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I wana sees your comic Its not on DA!

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hehehe.. i'm debating putting it up page by page, or waiting until it's all done.

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Instant gratification vs delayed gratification...

hmmmm....

gimmi now.

I'm also working on a graphic but with learning curve and lack of experience are putting me at like... 8 hours a page for rough pencils. *cries in sink*

Juggs, maybe if you have time you can tell me what you think? It's no where near your caliber but I value your input.

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Those are all good points Sayterra, especially where you said I did commendable work. I will use your background and silhouette information in the future.

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One thing that's been really... really hard for me is getting critiques from this community. But in most cases, the advice has been really helpful in the long run. One thing that I had (still have sometimes) a hard time with is choosing my position for the character. I got some drawing books that talk about picking the stronger pose over a potentially not as strong pose.

When I see this drawing, I see incredible talent, even more determination then I can muster (I almost never finish my work I'm so lazy someone shoot me now). But it also has some visual things (we can call them things) that are easily fixed over time and experience. For example, a side profile of her face leaning back with her fingers touching a quill from her back with her other arm out front silhouette the bow in moonlight would have shown more than the angle you chose. That's ok, don't lose heart but just keep in mind that you do have more control over the position of your art. And most of all never give up. Even when people talk down to you like this stupid jerk, troll londerwost that just won't freaken shut up...

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ok i'm shutting up now.

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I'm working on my own comic right now. I'm writing it. I'm drawing it. And I'm coloring it.

I'm on page 2.

Each page, from concept to finish, takes me about 8 hours.

I plan to have between 20-25 pages.

That's about 200 hours.

200 hours for MY dream, MY vision... I hope I can do it.




200 hours for someone else's dream... for no pay... I find that insulting actually.

Imagine walking up to someone on the street and asking them to work for you for 200 HOURS for no pay.

How many times would you be a) ignored, b) laighed off, or c) told to frack off?

200 hours at my 'normal rate' (my day job) would net me about $10,000. Would you ask a plumber to come to your house and work 200 hours for free? Would you ask a lawyer to take your case and work 200 hours for free? Why would you ask an artist to do the same? Do you value their skills less?

Most here on the forums know I am both an artist AND a collector. I love art... but I respect the people who make it too much for me to insult them like this.

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Then you havent been to comicspace or comicjobz when it was common place requesting unpaid writing or drawing help for web comics that are presented online. believe it or not, some people have actually wrote and draw stuff for free. I have written stuff for free for many artists before because I loved their work and the ideas they had.

as for comparing something like web comic help to a lawyer's job or a plumber is a very glib comparison.

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uh oh. Not... really... winning... points... here.

Juggies kinda popular here in these forums.

Regardless if it's done on sites that I don't think I would visit for fear of spybots latching onto my computer, it is kinda sleazy to ask for free art for publication when it's been pointed out that some people (maybe not you) have taken advantage of artists in this fashion.

and you do get what you pay for. It's good advice and not really meant to shot you down even if it unintentionally does.

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yeah londer has a good eye for the details , I didn't notice it till he mentioned it then my eyes looked at it differently and I wondered why I missed it the first time

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Don't give me too much credit. I have a screenshot on my computer from i1 or i2 that's almost identical. It's why I knew what happened.

May I suggest a subtle color of skin tone and tile and brightly colored hair and towel. That way it draws the attention... ahem to the center of the page, ahem.

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To me her feet seem a little large at the moment.

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I always thought this was a stylized thing. I kinda like it, makes her look ethereal like. Like a female pan.

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Teh artz.

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Her legs are a little less... modest now.

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as for the soap id move it but then id have to bend over to pick it up and ive been told never to do that in a prison shower .


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O great. Now i gotta go wash out my brain. Thanks.

two single trailer trucks merged to look like a semi.

Sayterra, have you looked into independent groups like TAT? It's not huge but it's good support for getting a foot into the industry.

Well.. if the op can't seem to work with artists, maybe he could draw the comic himself. Really, this isn't supposed to be an insult. You could grab some photographs and tracing paper and start drawing. If your writing is good enough, the art is usually forgiven even if it doesn't look quite as professional as you'd like. And who knows, maybe you'll actually learn some skills may never need to deal with artists ever again. Give it try, it has the possibility of win/win for the op. (BTW, the only reason I mention this is because independent graphic novel authors have done this when in a pinch).

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Seriously pushing it Scarf.

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Seriously though, even with the incredibly good critique, I really like how your style is unique. There are some things about your art, ie larger head, that do not offend, imo. I kinda like it your way. Understanding anatomy is really important, but there's something to be said for choosing to draw the art the way you want to draw it.

I really, REALLY, dig the hands and rear, nice work! Shading/shape of breast is perfect (IMO)!

I really dig the style! Nice work. I really need to start finishing my work.

Rough sketch of Moongirl. Hope you like it.

Nice work! You have an incredible talent with detail and shadowing. I notice you have the same issue I have with drawing feet and ankles though.

Keep it up, I really dig your style.

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I may be able too, just depends what you are looking for and dimensions =D

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Yes, I'm curious as to what size restrictions the OP has on the banner. I might take a shot at this but I'll probably be the last to finish.