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Originally Posted by NuclearToast

Because any negative mention of AE must be spiked into the sand without remorse.

--NT

Originally Posted by Westley

I would have kicked that jerk too. That's just STUPID. There is NO reason at ALL to fear "death" in the game at level 50. That's just stupid.

Originally Posted by Glacier_Peak

Today I attempted a MSTF run with a PuG. I had about 7 people, and found a kinetic controller, so I invited her. I was a stone tank, and was just about to start when I got a text from her saying:

"Im only going to be SB'ing you, and nobody else on the team" I asked why and she said "Because Earth is my primary and I don't want."

So in team chat I warned that the kinetic defender did not want to SB anyone else. She quit the team, and sent me a tell saying "You shouldn't have done that"

She was level 50 too. And she was a kinetic defender who took speed boost, but didn't want to use it. Irony..

Originally Posted by Zombie Man

I've been on plenty of teams that tried to do the final mission that way and it took way longer because they failed at the quick kill and faceplanted on the rooftop herding 5 spawns at once.

Now, I know what you'll say, "that was a crummy team, a good team can surgically kill Rommy and quickly clear the towers."

And to that I say, "Such a good team can quickly clear the path to Rommy and quickly take him out in the same time, only, by clearing first, they don't run the risk of a mistake."

You still have to kill 300 Cimerorans. Doing it backwards, if it does save any time, is an insignificant saving of time.



But to answer your question about exploits: As I mentioned above, which you neglected to quote, when there is a design flaw which allows players to 'work around' the intended investment of risk and time, then taking advantage of that design flaw is an exploit. I know, I know, exploit is so wed to the notion of a *bug*. But when a TF that is designed to be an hour's worth of work -- even for a good team -- gives the reward for an hour's worth of work; but is done in 20 minutes... then there is a exploit involved... whether through a bug, or players cleverly leveraging the mechanics in a 'legal' way, it's an exploit.



Actually, that design flaw was considered an exploit by the Devs. That's why stealth now suppresses when you click, when before, it didn't. See... design flaw exploited... design changed to stop the exploit.






If the Eden exploits are fixed, then why is its Merit reward still so low? Twenty minute Edens are still possible, thus, the low Merit reward.



Good ol' Katie, the poster-witch of design-flaw-becomes-exploit. When it was made widely known that the first mission could be bypassed through purposely failing, Posi said basically, at the time, "hey, that's how the mechanics work, what could possible go wrong?" Well, a few thousand 15 minute KHTFs later, they realized what could go wrong. The design flaw was recognized as such precisely because it was so thoroughly exploited. And so, the first mission was changed to stop that.... well, if you don't call it an exploit, then what would you call it?

Originally Posted by Satanic_Hamster

You should have made allegations of his relationship with his parents and then kicked him from the team.

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Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan

If you turn out to be wildly wrong about this, can I sig this quote?

Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire

...people still do that?

People still do hunts?

Originally Posted by ShadowNate

>.>... Or ...It could have been intended to be a story telling tool that you are capable of leveling in... At any rate the solution they have in now is basicly a bandaid, they have said so themselves, it will be revisted in the not so far off future.

Originally Posted by StratoNexus

I think its more that they don't want you to be unchallenged while you farm. Although, adding the ability to go -1 belies that supposition.

Originally Posted by MunkiLord

My biggest problem with EULA is that you often don't get the chance to see them until after you purchase the software, get it home, and then open the box meaning you can't take the product back to the store.

IMO, those EULAs should never be enforceable. That would be fair. Unfortunately what's fair doesn't have much relevance in the law because, if TonyV is correct, companies like NCSoft pervert the law and our court systems to benefit themselves at our expense.

If TonyV is correct, and if NCSoft ever goes after somebody for this, then this is an example of a company that is doing great harm to the public as a whole.

Also, couldn't one make the argument that the transfer of IP in this manner is unconscionable? I mean IP rights are a huge deal in this country and the ability to transfer them in this manner just doesn't make sense.

Also TonyV, to go back to your car comparison. So if transferring IP rights is like selling a car does that then mean that NCSoft could have a clause stating that by accepting you give your personal vehicle to them and it is now their property?

Originally Posted by Thirty_Seven

Soooo, it isn't a myth at all then, is it?

Originally Posted by Defenestrator

The only XP nerf was to Freakshow. That's it. They were brought in line to normal mobs. Everything else you describe is exactly the way it was last week.

Originally Posted by Chaos Creator

No we don't need ten thousand heroes named Hero

Originally Posted by MrDead

I16's AE changes worked fine.

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2421/workedfine.jpg

I just did a mission with some friends and got 1000 tickets. In fact to be honest apart from the SHUTTING UP in Atlas I can't tell any difference.

Originally Posted by BigFish

Freedom may not have gone yellow, but Virtue did!

make of that what you will

Originally Posted by Clave_Dark_5

The only thing bugging me about i16 is how it's once again bringing the cranky players and doom-sayers out of the woodwork. Really people: if you don't like X, Y, or Z...


why are you still here?

Originally Posted by Work_Ethic

Are scrappers broken?

Yes.

Will anything get done about it?

No.

Originally Posted by Balanced

A minor caveat to this--it's not strictly damage output, it's the damage:target regen ratio. You can eventually solo anything with unslotted Brawl, if you can survive and keep the target's regen zeroed out, and the more your effective damage (after the target's other defenses are accounted for) outpaces the target's regen, the faster you can kill it. That's why -Regen debuffs are so prized, since the devs insist on sticking with the Big Sacks Of Hit Points model of challenge so often.

Originally Posted by Heart Attack

I'd not realised that.

Looking at the i#16 notes I see they've upped the Merits from 40% to 60% and that many many things have had their Merits increase because of the change, BUT The LGTF and ITF (Times Arrow) have both gone down. see HERE


So I suspect theres a few more fast runs that slow ones going on.

Originally Posted by Catwhoorg

What controller secondary has a direct damage power ? (Rad with fallout is the only one I can think of)

Note the defender numbers are also unbuffed in that case by their own primary, and will generally be buffed more than the troller ones.

Originally Posted by Kelenar

My Rad/Rad isn't going to be winning any soloing races with my fire/shield scrapper anytime soon, but she can also solo above Heroic.

My Cold/Ice eats bosses like some of my scrappers can only imagine.

My Storm/Archery, Storm/Elec, and Dark/Elec have all had those 'the stuff I can actually get is too easy, so I'll have to go solo stuff in Crey's Folly for a bit of a challenge' moments.

... and most of these are still on SOs. The ones that aren't have such whopping set bonuses as are granted by a single set of Scirocco's Dervish.

Where do people keep finding these unsoloable defenders? None I've played are particularly fast, but I'd say they have a 'decent chance to solo' unless you shut your head in car doors for a hobby.

Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire

I think it's more or less a fair trade that Defenders don't solo very well in return for being able to make a team varying kinds of invincible.

Although it doesn't make soloing a Kin/Rad any less frustrating. And entertaining.

Originally Posted by Catwhoorg

Why invite a controller (who outside of a few edge case do sub-par damage to defenders) when you can have stronger buff/debuff and damage ?

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Take a Ice troller - unenhanced numbers

Chillblain 30.6 Damage (ST)
Block of ice 30.6 damage
Frostbite 9.18 AOE
Flash Freeze 6.12 AOE

Now containment can leverage that 30.6 to 61.2 if you have the target mezzed

Take a /Ice Defender
Ice Bolt 36.1
Ice Blast 59.3
Ice Breath 50.6 (Cone)
Freeze Ray 3.61
Ice Storm 116.8 (AOE)
Bitter Ice Blast 82.4
Bitter Freeze Ray 47.7

Ice blast (the 2nd power) is about equivalent to the best damage output you can expect from an ice troller, and thats assuming you slot the hold for damage rather than control.

/Ice blast has far superior AOE damage (yay for teaming) and even has decent control (2 holds plus slows)

Originally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina

Sure... if you are only looking at secondaries. Most defender primaries force-multiply others damage, by either damage buffs, to-hit buffs, endurance and recharge buffs, as well as effects on enemies in the form of defense debuffs, resistance debuffs and soft-controls to keep them grouped.