enrious2

I understand your point and as noted above I couldn't see this proposal making any noticeable impact on the market - how it functions nor it's importance.

In practical use, I see it basically limited to people who advert in a global of an item they have to sell, before they put it on the market - it's moot among friends and it's moot among the people who likely account for most of the market traffic as they know they can get anything they want cheaper than what someone in a global channel advertises.

And call me crazy, but if they're going to waste dev resources on a for-purchase pack of emotes, may as well redirect that energy into something people will actually use.

To be countered with emailing to yourself on an alt server and doing a face to face trade, facilitated via a global channel.

Do all of you seriously think this doesn't happen now?

Did I miss a dev statement to this effect somewhere? Or are you merely speculating?


[/quote]The only way I could support this is if there were a 10% of the COD fee paid by each party.[/QUOTE]

As mentioned above if they spend the effort in implementing a system no one uses, it's idiocy on their part - putting in a 10% fee for both would be just such an example.

Thankfully whether or not it would be implemented and in what form is up to neither you nor me.

Except that you don't know that. Maybe they plan on implementing it, maybe they haven't thought of it, maybe they have thought of it but decided not to implement it.

You essentially sum up all of the arguments (save one) put forth in opposition to this - "Papa knows best."

Maybe. To be honest, I couldn't see this accounting for even 1% of the market transactions that occur (the market is just way too convienent for the volume), but more of someone in a global or /sg saying they have something and offering it up to that audience before listing it on the market.

If you make a fee to be equal to what the market does, then I sincerly doubt this being used at all, which would mean a waste of programming effort.

But this sorta gets off point - the suggestion is there, aside from hearing speculation as to what the devs will do or will not do with it, I'm not seeing any real negative feedback or things I've overlooked.

Surely they exist?

I grant the worry about the inf sink and it is a fair point. I could be completely wrong with the volume of C.O.D. traffic that would be generated if this went through. I personally wouldn't be opposed to them putting in a fee of some sort or saying up front that they will datamine like crazy and may later put in a fee if they deem it warranted; I get the issue of paying for convience.

Considering that even before i18, there was no such thing as a "Champion" market, no this would be no new issue.

The market you saw last winter was the same market all players (of that faction) saw on all servers, because there were only two markets, hero and villain - there were no server-specific markets.

Except, as has been mentioned above, there are already ways to avoid that inf sink (and have been in since virtually the beginning).

Sure, there's a small amount of work but easily worked around.

I think, having played other games that use a true auction house, that the consignment method in this game is both better and friendlier, once you understand that it isn't an auction house.

Perhaps that was their thinking.

Two people, two servers.

I suppose you could temporarily create a toon on one server and do a face-to-face, which will more likely than not result in a toon being left on that server for no reason.

Probably not harmful unless you happened to get a great name (and would then be out of circulation) but it is a large amount of kludge.

And remember, the Market is completely 100% voluntary - players should not be forced to use it, nor should that enter into the thought process, IMO.

I know he is, but what am I?

Pics or it didn't happen.

Welcome aboard. I still have fond memories of the 2600.

On the subject of soloing versus teaming, I don't think there's a "right" answer. Let me put out some benefits of both, with the suggestion that you find a mix (0/100, 60/40, etc.) that you enjoy the most.

Soloing:

Pros - You can adventure at your own pace (need to take a 5-10 min break? no worries and no pressure), you can read the text dialogue at your own pace...come to think of it, all of the benefits end in (at your own pace).

Cons - You can't blame being defeated on another player, will likely not "move" through the content as fast, and must learn to be self-sufficient (carry wakies, etc). There's also one that's near and dear to my heart - it takes longer to learn the game soloing, because being exposed to other players on toons that differ from yours will teach you a lot about aspects of the game you'd overlook just playing your toon, because they are likely playing a toon that utilizes or mitigates those aspects. The example that pops into mind is if you were playing a scrapper and then teamed with a controller - you'd learn a lot more about mezz by seeing the effect enemy mezz had on your partner and seeing the effects they were doing to the enemy.

Things like that.


Teaming:

Pros - You can shift the blame for things quite easily, giving a beloved housepet a break. You get to see much more of the game, in terms of options available to players (think of all the possible primary/secondary choices available throughout the ATs - it was something easily in the hundreds, IIRC). You gain an XP bonus for being teamed. You're more likely to learn about new areas or features by team talk.

Cons - You move at the pace of the group and with any game it's a crapshoot as to the quality of the people and personalities that make up the group.

My advice for a new player is to team as often as possible, but remember to go off and solo too.

Ask someone in the N P C channel (who is on Justice) to help you out with this, as a good answer will be an involved one.

Again, welcome and feel free to look me up in game.

I both agree and disagree with you most strongly on this.

Please, allow Enrious to explain.

By themself, a leader is worthless, I don't care how much work or effort they put into it.

There, I said it.

On the otherhand, get a couple of leaders (in terms of a Hami perhaps 3 at the least) and you're golden.

Again, talking strictly of Justice, but to me, if a Hami leader is doing more than telling their team leaders to get stuff organized, it's a failure. We have plenty of leaders, they know their jobs and what's required.

That's true of people who haven't been considered leaders in the past.

As an example, when I run a hami taunt team, I do the smartest thing possible - I turn it's care over to a good hami emp. That's it, I'm just the cute tank in purple, the real execution of the team is run by an emp, because they are far more suited to run things than I and I don't have the ego to get in the way. Thus, it works.

On Justice, if a leader is worrying about tank assignments or which mito the green leader is targeting, it's a failure - although, circumstance may mitigate this as ultimately the hami leader bears ultimate responsibility, but with hami vets, it's a stupid hami leader who ignores them.

On the other hand, take teaching raiding to another server...even there a wise leader finds and adopts those who would be leaders and still entrusts them with responsibility.

Because a leader who imagines that they can lead their way through everything is a damned fool - as a Freedom refugee serves as proof.

Pum said a while back (and it's something I agree with) - to lead, you must have earned respect. Otherwise you're just a figurehead and when you claim to lead, you'll be undermined by yourself every time you utter that sentiment.

It embiggens me that you, like most on Justice, are capable of realizing both the humbleness and the honesty in such a statement.

A leader cannot be sucessful without the hard work of all those who strive to make the goal achieved; a leader (at least on Justice) is a mere figurehead. Those "leaders" who don't realize that scare the hell out of me.

But then, I suspect the ones who could never muster the courage to lead could never appreciate what "mastery of people" means.

Because it, like charity, starts at home.

Again, Monsieur, you express the understanding that should be self-evident in those who would castigate those among us as being (or words to the effect) "elitist ********".

Far easier to drink oneself into oblivion than thinking that the names shown in a teamlist are more than mere pixels.


And to cover another point of yours, which I'd hasten not to have overlooked, is that one element of true leadership is expressed when things don't go right - it's a matter of having the knowledge of how to keep things together and having the leadership required to have people keep the faith. Something I'm sad to say is noticeably lacking in some of our export leaders. Well, at least one, who just wants glory in lieu of anonyminity, but that's as much a failing of character. Oddly, character is something I've been taught is a hallmark of leadership tho.

But not, I trust, the Dungeon?

Mon Dieu!

Don't allow those whose little grey cells are destroyed by the whiskey most sour to trouble you at all.

Sorry, when was the last Justice raid you led?

Let's be honest, hamis are simple. People are complicated. Mastery of people is the only thing worth noting.

Let me expand on that. I'll offer up the same thing I've said for anyone who would lead a raid - I'll support you. I'll lead a team, be present and help in anyway I can, to the fullest extent of my ability.

All it takes is for you to lead people. Y'know, the ones you disdainfully see as mere pixels.

Which I don't.

Good luck on that, it's far safer to criticize from the sidelines.

What you spend those merits on is, though.