enrious2
-
Posts
746 -
Joined
-
I think it's a matter of perception. A lot of people are reluctant to do non-MA because they don't perceive it to be as "profitable". Not agreeing with it and I'm personally sick of MA and suspect there are others like that.
Which would mean that things are cyclical - MA till boredom, non-MA till boredom, repeat. That said, the devs have made it a situation where it's easier to get to 50 - and since many/a lot/most? adults tend to be goal oriented, they peg the 50 as the goal...
So then you get on a ship raid with an emp asking what clear mind is saying they didn't take it because they never needed it in MA.
At least the emp had a travel power. -
Quote:Generalize much?Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire
See, this thread overall is why I prefer anti-farmers to farmers. Anti-farmers at least care about something other than themselves, while farmers have an amazing entitlement complex that boils down to "How DARE anyone APPLY RULES to me?! I pay $15 a month, therefore I SHOULD WIN THIS GAME". -
Here's the thing toona, and it is only antecdotal testimony, but I've been on ship raids, pugs, etc. at about the same level as before.
The quality and cluelessness of 35+ is worse than before. -
LOL neg rep coward, I'm not from MO.
You made my night tho. -
No doubt there was much gnashing of teeth when radio's came out and Perez became a ghost town.
-
Quote:Simple. It's a bogus request. We ain't the devs/GMs/Customer Support people.Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
I will never understand the stance that people have that because you're obeying the rules and doing something you're requested to do makes you a bad person somehow.
We're players. Short of something being offensive (to whatever degree a person does find it, be it a racial/ethnic/sexuality/etc. slur), it's inane to ask/expect/comply with any such request.
It's simple - justify to me how it harms me if someone runs around Atlas Park named "Iron-Man"? I'm offended by neither the word "Iron", the word "Man", nor the compound of the two.
You may perhaps counter with the memory of the lawsuit and whatnot, at which time it apparently was agreed by Cryptic/NCSoft to remove all such lawsuit violations that they are made aware of and thus, in a strong CYA move, they appealed to the player community to help rat out such violations.
Again I ask, how does it harm me? NCSoft has their CYA pleading in place and will react to those cases they are made aware of, but let me ask you this. What happens if they are not made aware of them?
Will I suffer harm from this? This ain't a case of speculation or possibilities, prove to me that harm is at the very least a probability before I'll lift a finger when someone runs around with any name that doesn't offend me.
They pay me, I help them do their jobs. Otherwise, ain't my problem.Quote:Yes, they ARE violations of the rules, no matter how much you say otherwise. The devs and GMs cannot possibly hope to police the entire game themselves, so, they requested that the players assist them.
You are suggesting the equivalent situation of your local police department asking citizens to report all jaywalkers spotted, without any sort of extigent situation.
I don't disagree with this, I'm simply saying that I think the morally superior position is to do nothing.Quote:Simply reporting something does not automatically mean that it will be banned, genericed, or otherwise punished in any way. It simply means you are bringing something to the attention of the people whose JOB it is to make determinations on whether something is a rule violation. If it is indeed a violation of the rules, it will be addressed. If it is NOT a violation of the rules, it will be allowed to stand.
I don't think you and I are all that apart. I simply disagree with you on the following point:Quote:I don't run around reporting everything I see that might be violating some rule or another, simply because that's all I would be doing if it were the case. My own fun is more important to me than wanting others to be punished for something that doesn't affect me. I don't report farms because I don't run them, which is a requirement in order to report them.
I DO report blatant copyright and trademark infringements if I see them. If it seems that the person in question is unaware of the rules against it I will (politely) inform them of the rule's existence. If it is obvious that they know they are violating a rule I just fire off a quick petition and go on about my business.
FWIW, I wouldn't put you in the "smugness" category. I would again question the moral justification of your actions, but not the motive.Quote:By no means do I ever hang out and LOOK for things to report, I have better things to do. I don't report anything out of smugness, or because I want to make myself look good. If I report anything it is in the interest of seeing the rules enforced that I, myself, obey.
Actually, I'd argue that civil disobedience of inane laws to be morally superior to blind obedience, which is the providence of those lacking in either imagination or compassion.Quote:Sorry about the long post, but I have an issue with people who insist that there is nothing wrong with ignoring laws and rules, and instead state that the people trying to enforce them are the ones in the wrong. -
Quote:You're still in your mother's basement, aren't you?Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire
You're still in high school aren't you?
In the real world, rules are actually important.
In the really real world, the only rules that matter are those that have meaningful punishments coupled with meaningful discernment. -
Quote:Which makes my point even better.Originally Posted by Doctor_Roswell
It actually hopes that "someone" will do the same for you. As in, "thanks for donating these clothes to this homeless shelter. If you're ever in need of assistance, I hope you find someone as charitable as you've been today." It's a general well-wishing, not a call for anyone specific to reciprocate.
It gives a generic hope of some possible future reciprocation and yet goes out of the way to grant positive reinforcement for leaving negative rep.
I'll leave it to the reader to draw their own conclusion of which behavior is encouraged. -
Quote:LOLOriginally Posted by Luminara
In short, the jerks who treat the rep system like a popularity contest or revenge tool won't find it quite as easy to abuse. If they do decide to try, they'll have to coordinate their efforts, and I suspect the mods can monitor that kind of thing even if they aren't stupid enough to discuss it openly on the forums.
The system thanks you for giving negative rep and hopes that the user given positve rep will do the same for you.
Tell me the system doesn't condone it. -
*shrug*
Let the mods know how much you enjoy the rep "feature". -
Quote:Something tells me it was in response to the Abusing MA post, with a comment of "Too much angst."Originally Posted by Muad_Dib
Posi has a negative rep. Come one guys, just because he's in charge doesn't mean he's all that bad.
Unless it was the other red names who gave him the negative rep.
-
45 - 50 brute
45 - 50 troller
45 - 50 dom
45 - 50 scrapper
39 - 50 fender
38 - 50 widow
30 - 50 tank
1 - 50 fender
1- 41 fender
1-22 scrapper -
I'd just take this opportunity to the mods of these forums for the bounty that is rep and to the devs for 2xp in MA. Truly without you both I would live a humorless existence.
-
This is easily the dumbest idea for the forums since they implemented private forums for the Event Comittees.
-
[ QUOTE ]
I'm just saying, has this game really come to the point that leveling outside of MA as a new/returning player is such a noteworthy accomplishment that it needs it's own blog? And yes I'm actually asking that as a question of the non-rhetorical variety.
-If- it's true I hope Praetoria/Any future content is accessible through the AE buildings. Because they will have officially trumped themselves in the whole Winter Lord fiasco and created a generation of fail players (in reference to the guy/guys like that guy who left the Sewer Team, not the poster) that won't know anything outside of Atlas Plaza/AE building.
[/ QUOTE ]
Yes, and judging from the antics of some of the 50s on a ship raid last night, who didn't have a single vet badge, I'm thinking AE is the only safe place for vets to be. -
In addition, the command /chatsave will change how those chat tabs are populated, even to the colors you use.
/chatload will load them, such as if you zone and lose colors or load up a new toon. -
Has to be pity.
-
Good thing no one used to ever "stick" LR on the STF.
-
Considering I don't claim omniscience or even any special knowledge of the dev's intent, how am I to judge what's an "unnatural or unintended benefit"?
I could argue from my own "personal moral compass" that mito farms were exploitive, but what if it didn't for comm officers?
It would be nice if the devs had a policy to have kept examples of what they consider exploitive, to allow players to have a basis or guide to judge future such activies. -
The pitfalls of pre-paying in March...
-
[ QUOTE ]
Oh yes, now I see how
"My sense of ethics and morality is the only one that matters. It's not my fault that humanity hasn't developed psychic abilities."
is the same as
"If your personal moral compass flip flops or even wavers a little while doing something in the game that is obvious to you is not intended behavior, it's probably an exploit. "
[/ QUOTE ]
You're almost there!
A
+
B
=
"Only the worst of the worst, exploitive, powerlevelled characters will be removed from the game. We dont take retroactive punishments lightly, but some offenses are so egregious that no one would question their intent and those ill-gotten gains should be dealt with"
Good thing Posi's made it clear to us what's an exploit. -
[ QUOTE ]
I'm sorry, but at what point does ethics and morality play into this? The point of fixing/saying not to use exploits is for that whole risk vs reward thing.
[/ QUOTE ]
Lawyer: "Positron, how will we know if something breaks the risk/reward thing?"
Positron: "If your personal moral compass flip flops or even wavers a little while doing something in the game that is obvious to you is not intended behavior, it's probably an exploit. " ***
Lawyer (to the Jury): "I see, so a discussions of one's morals and ethics is relevent."
*** ----> http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...age=0&vc=1 -
[ QUOTE ]
I was about to say that AE doesn't make bad players, and that they make themselves, but I changed my mind. Take a new player who's never played before. He creates a character and gets a choice of which zone to start in. What's the first one listed? Atlas Park. What do they see upon entering AP? Broadcasts to join teams. Joining a team is only natural in an MMO. So they join, figure out that they're supposed to go into that big building, and just do what comes naturally. A few hours later, they're in their 30's or 40's, don't know what an enhancement, has never seen another zone, don't know what the villain groups are like..... they're a bad player. Technically, they're not bad themselves, they're just lacking knowledge. But it ultimately doesn't matter as you invite them to your team and find out that you have someone who has no idea at all what to do.
[/ QUOTE ]
I was going to compose a response to this thread, but the quoted post says what I would have, only it does it better. -
[ QUOTE ]
QR: If you're not sure it's an exploit, chances are it is.
[/ QUOTE ]
Lawyer: "Is it an exploit?"
Positron: "Yes."
Lawyer: "Is it an egregious exploit?"
Positron: "Is there any other kind?"
Lawyer: "What if someone were using their own sense of ethics and morality?"
Positron: "My sense of ethics and morality is the only one that matters. It's not my fault that humanity hasn't developed psychic abilities." -
Thanks for running it, PSL.
Thanks for ruining it, Uber.