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True, and I certainly saw far more freakspecs going than treespecs. However that is an issue of the popularity of redside vs. blueside more than anything else. If you really needed that notice, you could (as a rogue) have sucked up the boredom and freakspecced. It's only in the reactor core that that trial sucks.

I suppose it depends on your server. On Justice I managed to do a couple of those without trouble. I really hate how boring the blueside respec has become, so I try to stick to the treespecs now.

Of course to maximize my access, I do have my main played villains as rogues.

Wow, you really are trying to be obtuse.

Look, 40 threads is 40 threads. I'm not trying to claim it's as good as the rewards from doing a trial, I'm just pointing out the simple truth that 40 threads can be very handy.

Organizing a WST is pretty damned easy. It's usually a lot easier than organizing a trial. Getting 40 threads for a TF which is often no harder than falling off a log is a pretty damned good deal even if it only once a week.

I know that conversion, by itself, will convince me it's worth doing the WST each week on the alts I'm incarnating.

I have to agree, I don't much care for how the current LFG system works, and I don't really see the i20.5 changes fixing it. It would be nice if you could do something else instead of waiting around for a trial to happen. The amount of time I have burned standing around in Pocket D with my thumb up my butt hoping for the trial I want (like Lambda over BAF) is rather larger than I like.

If it could yank you out of a mission, that would be nice. You could at least get something done instead of just waiting. I wonder if there's a technical issue to it or something?

The 'obsolete reward' converts into 40 threads. That makes it not obsolete. As such, either you didn't know that fact, or you are grousing.

But of course I must bow to the relevance overlord. My deepest apologies for your inability to recognize context.

Wow, this is pretty silly.

Yes, a notice of the well is a rare. It is also a rare for a slot you have likely already filled, certainly to the max tier before you would even consider this.

Once you have your tier 4 alpha, what are you collecting rare alpha salvage for? You want to sit in your SG base and polish it?

40 threads for something that is otherwise useless is a good deal. If you are comparing it to invention salvage that is specious. Invention salvage can be traded unlike this. As such it had no inherent value beyond the utility you can derive from it. If at a given moment you need threads and are done with alpha, those 40 threads are plenty of utility for something which otherwise does you no good.

I have to imagine you are grousing just for the sake of grousing.

Once again, context is everything. I was discussing Dispari's exchange with a dev in which they had proposed that other TFs grant a valid number of threads. It had no bearing on the solo angle.

But thank you for stating the obvious.

And then you conveniently ignore the fact that he said that they would do the alternate methods because they would be too easy and quick. That's a pretty important clarification that you blithely skip over.

You have completely mis-characterized what was said, and it amazes me to see you repeat it.

Here's the exchange for your transcript:

[Team] DEV NAME REMOVED: it's true. if we put the new rewards in the old content though, people would just grind that instead, because it's so much easier
[Team] DEV NAME REMOVED: regardless of the number of paths we make, the easiest one will be ground the most.
[Team] Sudona Forte: I dunno, I'd do the trials since that's the only way to get iXP or get uncommon/rare/very rare components.
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[Team] DEV NAME REMOVED: as is, there's only one path, but it's definitely the proper challenge level

It is clear for anyone who can read that the devs wanted iXP and other incarnate rewards to be available predicated on a certain level of challenge. It's not about "you have to play this because we want to force you to play our way", it is clearly about "we don't want someone to speed run the ITF to the top because it's a breeze". How you can claim such nonsensical negative spin when the exchange is right in front of everyone to see boggles my mind.

This is exactly what EG has said earlier in the thread, and it is exactly in keeping with how you run a game if you want to gate off advancement with a challenge.

The only place which I can see his saying something that makes your case is the reward level on Apex and Tin Mage. I agree that they should give out more, probably at least 5-10 threads. Two is just plain silly. Since they don't give out the needed iXP, they wouldn't be any more of a stopgap than shard runs of old TFs. Anyway, I doubt people would do them instead of the trials since they aren't really much quicker, and you would have to spend a lot more time at it vs. trials even to get uncommons done. The devs once again prove they don't fully understand their own game.

Heck, now that notice of the well gives 40 threads on conversion, they just provided the WST as a pretty valid incarnate advancement path.

However the devs are not in some sort of insidious plot to make you play the way they want. They are trying to control valid means of advancement. They consider the trials challenging content, and this provide the most expedient path to advancement. Other paths exist but are going to be slower as they do not constitute the same level of challenge.

I have to agree with this. People are quite a bit too fixated on the tier 4 stuff when they talk about incarnate content. As Rian said, 90% of the power is available at tier 3, and that honestly isn't really hard to get to. And probably the funniest part of that power is the level shift which doesn't even work outside the trials anyway, so getting them is a moot point for the soloists anyway.

I've got one character tricked out with all tier four because I burned a lot of time on it. I am very unlikely to do it for any others. They will get tier 3s on the level shifts for the sake of doing trials, and maybe get judgement and destiny to tier 3 eventually. Having the actual example of tier 4 over tier 3, I know it's not really that worthwhile for the time spent.

Thus all the wailing about 2.7 years to finish incarnate slotting is pretty much nonsense (well IMO). I am not going to do the comparative math here, but I know getting tier 3 done vs. tier 4 is drastically less time, so it would be a fraction of that total for a realistic incarnate build for someone who didn't have obsessive/compulsive disorder.

While I am appreciative that you shared that discussion with the dev, I am also amazed that you did since anyone reading it can clearly see you engaged in slander.

The dev said nothing even vaguely like what you claimed.

You claimed "True story: A dev told me in beta they were afraid people wouldn't run the trials they put so much work into if there was an alternative (even if the alternative was slower)."

That isn't even close to what he said. You bolded the relevant parts and they don't support your claim.

They said that making advancement possible via normal content would make it too easy and too quick. You flat out lied.

You claiming "Instead of just making sure the trials are fun and stand on their own merits, they decided to force play of them by making them the only way to advance." is purely your own spin. It comes from your opinion and biases, not to any degree on what the dev actually said.

Honestly, you have engaged in the lowest form of rabble rousing. You are stirring people up with fabrications. Again I'm amazed that you then provided the evidence which destroys your own credibility.

Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex

I fully agree. The first half of that book was dreary and tedious. It may have arguably been necessary for the story, but good lord was it boring. Honestly the movie made the best of it possible.

So you're saying there actually is a reason to use the new launcher. Hmm.

Careful, do you mean Beta server or Test server? Those are different.

If it's the Beta server, you have to be part of the double secret testing cabal to have access, and lose your first born child if you squeal about details.