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Originally Posted by ZachsMind

I've only seen this self destruct power happen a few times in person, EVERY time it's been used in my presence, it was annoying. Even one time the guy used it as a panic button and it actually took out one of the enemies that was kicking our butts. Still, the battle was lost already and his explosive sacrifice only added to the absurdity of the moment.

I do not see a time when it would be feasible to use this power. Whether it's taking yourself out as a bomb in the first skirmish, when things get dicey, halfway through a mish, even when up against the big bad at the end, there's never a strategically sound reason for using this power, when there's always another, better option. It's the dumbest power in the entire game. Yes that includes the snowball, cuz the snowball is just stupid fun and never gets old. Or seeing someone accidently hit the fire extinguisher in the middle of a fight cuz he was just mashing buttons as fast as he could and would there went control 6 or whatever and we all see the fire extinguisher. We've all done it. Blowing yourself up is dumber than that.

And the self destruction power is not just any kind of annoying. Half the time I don't even realize that's what transpired until seconds after it occurred, and I'm like, "..oh. ...that. whatevs." It's annoying in a 'chewing gum on the sole of your shoe' kind of way. It's not till you take a few steps away that you realize hey! that was annoying! If people actually use this to grief others? That's just sad. That's going into a gun fight with a small bowl of rotting fruit.

You're taking the time to macro this? Wow. Can't just point & click, eh? Wow.

Originally Posted by enrious2

As an aside, and with no malice, but lol you throwing down your badge e-peen. LOL, I say. Had you the experience you attest to, I should have thought you'd know the answer to not only your original query, but also to why I would beg that you not engage in activity that would have been prevelent even 4 of your vet badges ago.

Originally Posted by SailorET

*Grammar geek's head explodes*

Originally Posted by je_saist

I can come up with a reason. This sort of activity reeks of griefing.

Other players before have used logging out + activating powers in order to grief various zones, such as dominators / controllers logging out or disconnecting while in Pocket D with their pets spawned, causing the pets to go active and attack opposing players.

Even if that's not your intent, there might be one or two applicable exploits to be found in combining certain power usages with logging out / disconnecting at the right time.

Speaking for myself, I am a bit puzzled as to why somebody would want to log out on a self-destruct and log back in to find themselves dead. If I wanted to do that, I'd go trigger the log out after jumping into Lusca's arms.

Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot

Why he did? to voice his opinion. Why you responded like that? Not sure, keep it civil.

It IS kind of annoying when someone plants themselves next to an auctioneer, then explodes while logging out(I'd bugged it many times until I learned it was being done deliberately). The novelty wears outs quickly. It starts to remind me of a spastic child, who has had too much sugar, and vies for attention: "lookitmelookitmelookitme!"

Originally Posted by Master-Blade

Try Self Destruction instead of Self Destruct

Originally Posted by enrious2

Please God don't.


The first 23 498 people who thought of doing this before you weren't being clever either.

Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper

/macro BoomOut "quit$$powexecname Self Destruct"

That should work for "quit to desktop" logout, but of course the timers are different.

Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man

Not everyone's a badger. I am, obviously, and will be switching sides almost entirely for an excuse to grab some sweet, delicious badges. Collecting badges makes my OCD demons quiet down.

The rewards for not switching include a new "power up" system that they've given us absolutely zero confirmed information for, other than the fact that it exists and is associated with staying loyal to your faction. If the old marketting survey is even partially correct, the best we can assume is that it will include global enhancement slots, allowing you to boost some global stat for your character...

...while simultaneously nerfing Accuracy, Defense and Regen.

Note that a red name commented in the now-deleted Issue 16 Beta forums that switching sides will NOT exclude you from earning these rewards, but that you will earn them at a slower rate than someone who does not switch. (My guess is that switching sides also resets your progress on this "power up" system to zero, but that's just a hypothesis.)

Originally Posted by SpaceNut

I love that people don't read - it lets me up my post count!

From the first post:

See this thread to make an Official Weapon Request!

i.e. DON'T MAKE YOUR CUSTOM WEAPON REQUEST HERE

Originally Posted by SDragon

Ok, so. If I'm one of the gray options(Rogue/Vigilante)... Why would I bother going over efully?

I mean, the markets are more or less the same(Selling the same stuff, not quantity). And if that's the only difference then why wouldn't I stick near the middle and enjoy both side's content?

UNLESS there's more? Oh please tell me there's more.

I would love to see something like... the PPD attacking Vigilantes?

Maybe contacts on the one side don't talk to you? At least the pure evil/Boyscout guys. Only the "gray" contacts will deal with you? Maybe some new contacts get scattered about the zones with some "gray" content.

What I'm saying is... If market accessibility is the only thing that differs Rogues from Vigilantes... Why be anything other then a Vigilante(For the hero market)?

If you're a Hero or Villain, when compared to the new options. The only difference is you can't team with as many people or see as much content.

Doesn't that make the new options vastly superior to the old?

Originally Posted by Silver Gale

Paragon Studios' motto is "we'd rather give you entirely new zones than revamp the old zones". This is an approach that's focused on pleasing existing customers at the expense of incoming new customers, and it shows with GR.

Something that a lot of older MMOs have been doing is "revamping the new user experience". LotRO has done work on the early level zones to streamline the quest lines and make it more obvious where a character needs to go at which level. WoW is gearing up to wipe the entire world clean and start again. Even Fallen Earth, in the first month after launching, has made changes to the early level zones to account for player feedback.

Most players agree that the 1-20 game in CoH is somewhat stale and lacking. Since the game launched, there's been some updates to the first three zones (Atlas, Galaxy and King's Row) as well as a small makeover for the Hollows. However, the contact progression is still in the same state it was at the game's launch - a whole bunch of interchangable non-characters who send you on endless street-sweeping missions and to doors in distant zones (before you've gotten a travel power, and there is nothing to indicate that there is a way of getting a jetpack to make travel faster).

Paragon Studios' answer? Make an entirely new early game that requires an additional purchase, and leave the existing early game exactly as it is.

New subscribers are not going to compare the best of your content to the competition. They are not going to buy the game, and then buy the expansion, in order to see the better starting experience. They are going to start playing the game to see if they like it, and they are going to wind up in the Steel Canyon and Skyway content, and in the Mercy Island/Port Oakes mess redside. And they are going to compare *that* to other games.

(Granted, those areas still compare favorably to the Champions early game, but that's no reason to get complacent.)

I love what I'm hearing of Going Rogue so far. I'm looking forward to playing my Praetorian characters in the all-new early game together with all my long-time-playing SGmates. But I realize that while making new early game is fun for me, remaking the *existing* early game is important for the health of the game. I'm willing to accept not getting as many all-new zones if that's what it takes.