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Well i can enlighten you on that:

I'm a badge [censored]. Theres 3 epic badges for earning influence that I eventually wanna get. To do this i need to stay out of SG mode as theres no inf game while in SG mode for a level 50.

I also want to contribute to my sg tho and hence need to convert inf. However, I want the ungratefull buggers to know that i'm still actually pulling my weight and hence was wondering if converted inf shows up in your prestige total..

if you convert influence to prestige does it get added to the amount of prestige youve earnt and displaye din the sg window?

there are also 2 uber IOP's that have a higher increase than those listed above. No clue what they are but theres only ever one of each of them per server...

lol, if i was into pvp id do the same tg... any chance you can post your build up? I'd like to have a look at it.

Ok, i can workout what to do with the tech and magic salvage but what the hell can i use my mutant salvage for? I've only got a couple of these. I have loads of tech and magic and no natural or scientific, anyone have any ideas? Cheers V.

I will be there in my Santa Claus suit!

So, to sum up (possibly)

identical in terms of forms (nova/dwardf) but the human fors differ with WS being more of a controller and PB being more of a scrapper?

Grats Blue, nice one mate!

Yeah, i agree with the above. I just wanted to re-iterate that this isn't meant to be an anti ED thread, I was just wondering what people's views were now we've had some time to consider the bigger picture. (though I am still all for increasing the basic healing level of healing aura )

Cheers mate I did a search but didn't turn up anything along the lines of comparisons...

decisions, decisions... I quite like the Darker aspect of the WS but I really dislike control powers, I much prefer fly to tp as well... hmmm. I really do prefer the look of ws though...

Well I've just dinged 50 and was about to roll my Kheldian and really couldn't decide which to go for...

Can anybody give me a quick comparison between these 2 AT's in terms of pros and cons and the similarities and differences between em?

Cheers, V.

even if it is 13% base as opposed to 11%, that would be the same accross the board so we can still se whether the powers have increased or decreased and by how much...

I asked Dr rock to run some figures for me (much appreciated mate) and this is what i got back:

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The heal is actually 11% of your HPs. Using 2 second activation, 8 second recharge, a level 50 (no accolades 1017.35 HP) and even level SOs.

I5 (Without ED)

Healing Aura (6 HEAL): 335.73 / 10 = 33.57 hps
Healing Aura (3 HEAL, 3 RECRED): 223.86 / 6 = 37.31 hps
Healing Aura (6 HEAL) & Hasten (6 RECRED): 335.73 / 6.7 = 50.11 hps
Healing Aura (3 HEAL, 3 RECRED) & Hasten (6 RECRED): 223.86 / 4.96 = 45.13 hps

I6 (With ED)

Healing Aura (3 HEAL): 217.76 / 10 = 21.78 hps
Healing Aura (3 HEAL, 3 RECRED): 217.76 / 6.13 = 35.52 hps
Healing Aura (3 HEAL) & Hasten (3 RECRED): (217.76 / 6.7 * 0.64) + (217.76 / 10 * 0.36) = 28.64 hps
Healing Aura (3 HEAL, 3 RECRED) & Hasten (3 RECRED): (217.76 / 5.03 * 0.64) + (217.76 / 6.13 * 0.36) = 40.5 hps

Note: Hasten can be up ~64% of the time and down ~36% with 3 RECRED.

Hope that helps.


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Important ones I feel here are:

Pre ED: Healing Aura (6 HEAL) & Hasten (6 RECRED): 335.73 / 6.7 = 50.11 hps

Post ED: Healing Aura (3 HEAL, 3 RECRED) & Hasten (3 RECRED): (217.76 / 5.03 * 0.64) + (217.76 / 6.13 * 0.36) = 40.5 hps (35.52 hps if hasten either isnt active or wasn't chosen).

Thus, fromt eh most popular slotting, healing aura has actually gone down byt 10 points of healing per second (or 15 if hasten isn't active), at a time when we actually need to heal more damage than in any other issue... (thats between 600 and 900 points of healing per minute that we've lost)

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...our heals have been nerfed by 40%.

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Well the green numbers have gone down, but in terms of healing/second you werent really that badly nerfed. Before ED the best healing/sec from healing aura was 4 heals 2 recharges (if you have hasten) and Iirc closely followed by 3 recharges 3 heals. 6 Heals gave a poor result.
Some quick calculations
Healing Aura has a base heal of 13% of your own hp and has a recharge of 8 seconds.
6 heals even lvl (ED not included)
13% *(6* 33% + 100%) ~ 39%, so you get 39% heal every 8 seconds. Giving you a healrate of 4,875%/second

3 recharges, 3 heals (ED not included, its not that big a difference anyway)
13% * (3*33% + 100) ~ 26%, so you get a heal of 26% every 4 seconds (3 recharge enh about 4 seconds [8/(1+3*,33)]
That gives you a healingrate of 6,5%/second.

Or if you choose to put in an end reduction instead of another recharge, you get.
26% every [8/1+ (0,33*2)] ~4,8 seconds. Thats 5,42% heal/second.

Im too lazy to include hasten and ED in my calculations, but this will give you an idea as to why you werent that badly hit.

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Er before ed 6 heals with perma hasten was the best rate of healing...

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Come on Empaths. You were hardly scratched by the i5-i6 nerfs. Fortitude, RA, CM, AB didnt get touched. And healing? Just use absorb pain, you still have killer singletarget heals (no pun intended). The AoE heal works just as good 3 heals-2 recharge-1 end.

As I see it, you were actually buffed by ED. You're worth to a team went up, cause everyone else went further down.

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I think you'll find that we were more than scratched, besides. this isn't a whinge post i was merely inquiring as to what other empaths now thought of ED now the dust has settled.

Incidently, I assume you've never played an empath yourself? AP is not a replacement of any of the other heals due to its negative effects on the empath using it. Its a worst case, save a buddy, last minute heal.

The aoe heal is nowhere near as effective with the slotting you're suggesting as it was when 6 slotted with heals with perma hasten. Each of it's heals has reduced by about 50% with a negligable increase in recharge speed. AP is certaintly not a replacement for this lack.

Basically im saying that ED's ok, i'm grudgingly accepting it but that given the increased healing we now have to do to other AT's the base value of healing aura should be upped. It used to do 446 points of heal, its now dropped to about 263 points of heal

Also AP should have the -self heal on it elliminated.

i did a mother mayhem mission the other day with a team of 8, all experienced players, all re-specced for ed all doing the same mob one mob at a time. Everybody dird at least twice and a few unlucky people more and there was nothing i could have done about any of them, my heals were simply not strong enough.

well its been a while since ed so i was just wondering how people are feeling about the ed changes now that the dust has settled somewhat?

Soloing even level minions is now impossible for me but it was bordering on being that before.

I miss perma hasten and the quick recharge time of rec aura but it's nowhere near as bad as i thought it would be.

Staminas not an issue, i dropped 3 end reds into my toggles and with stamina 3 slotted still its fine.

I'm also fine with fortitude, cm and ab.

I still have issues with the heals, it's not as bad as it was immediately after ed but when things get really scrappy (lvl 50 mish against mother mayem for example) healing aura doesn't do enough of a blanket heal to have any real noticeable effect. Really think the base heal of this should be uped.

Heal other, no real issues with this. I miss the bigger boost it used to have but its still useful.

Absorb pain. using it increasingly often, I really miss the old heal. There was nothing like getting a tank from low red to full in one heal! Still, my only problem with this now is that because i use it so much when the [censored] hits the fan im perma unhealable. id say, leave it as it is, still let it reduce your hp's but don't prevent you from being healed...

lastly im just gutted i cant effectively 6 slot the leadership pool any more

Anyways, just my 2 infs worth. Generally i'm happier with ed than i thought i would be...

Grats anz, nice one!

I rolled a dark/dark corrupter for the first time last night. Up to level 8 now and loving it. All my other alts have been shelved now, this simply rocks.

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Not from the Rangers base tho! Full sg...not even Scrapapocalypse could go 7 to 1!

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why's it limited? Thats a bloody stupid idea. Conceptually it's rubbish.

Grats mate, glad I properly got back into coh in time to see you ding.

That doesnt necesserily work. I'm an empath with all tactics powers all 6 slotted and some stalkers can hide from me even when im using insps, im assuming that they're stacking invis with hide...

Grats Aub, Nice one!

Cool, what are the rules on holds. I believe some people thought they were using holds when they weren't? Can someone elaborate?

True, it would need tweaking but I think it would really work wwell in COh and it's definitely something that's lacking.
Maybe they could set it so that new enemies (other than ambushes)only spawn when nobody is in the non instanced mission...

Welcome to the boards and the game. Vidiomaps is the best and most usefull coh/cov site out there. Very, very useful. Especially if you're a badge [censored] like me.