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OOps duh! lol hmmm i looked at the wrong numbers! I just look at where I got my reference :P Silly me I admit it I was wrong there :P

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He means doomsday characters as in a character that can destroy the world. That's usually the accepted meaning of doomsday!

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I knew that Floaty! Lol. I meant he got the character confused with the term. TRACOR-005 can't bring about the end of days, he is just like dommsday, nigh immpossible to defeat physically!

Errrr? what you talking about?

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Superspeed tops out at about 95 miles per hour anyway, so unless you're going to exceed the game-imposed limitations, you don't need any clever way of stopping him 'burning up' or whatever

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We have several ways that restricts him in game:

number one, A partner of mine is senstive to sonic vibrations, once in forumn RP i went super sonic and it knock her out. So he limits himself for her.

Number two: he has a habit of using his powers destructively, so he has been told to reduce his over speed or risk repercussions.

and I have more. This is a fantasy setting therefore this lets me use some fantasy for the unexplainable, and the unachieveable. While it is debatable at this moment in time if engineering a human to run 95 mphs is possible, in this world what i purpose is possible when you look at synaspse :P I don't feel the need to jusify my powers in this world, but in the CoX world.
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humans are very badly designed for high-speed running.


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Humans are he is not

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I have a toon with the Natural Origin. She's a kat/SR Scrapper. Dodging bullets isn't realistic for a normal human in the real world, but it is for a highly trained human in a comic.

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What you did there is no different from what I did. You took something in the real world and exzagerated it. genetic engineering isn't that advance in this world, but in a comic world it is. I ddin't say may characters have to be 100% realistic, just some of it does to satisfy my own weird needs.

I thought you would like my trai of thought:P Like, how does a winged hero fly in a narrow corrider when his wing span needs to be emormous to sustain flight?

Winged humans can't exist here. But they can in CoX, but i rationize it to my best. He can glide sorta in door like a large bird swopping in and out of trees in a forest. He has enhanced strenght. why ? Not because I want him to so much as it rationizes how a human would be able to flap wings hard enough to fly when we don't possess the muscle strength to do so.

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Doomsday characters should be banned. Doomsday scenarios do not work in any way in games like this. What happens if you fail to abort the Apocalypse exactly?


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Umm I think you are confused here Raven? Doomsday the character that killed superman?

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Probably not a lot. It's only about 10000 miles per hour, say around 3 miles per second

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either the earths alot small than i thought or in its about 69 miles in circumferance....

Considering the earth is 924,375,700 km in orbital circumfeance he is more likely traveling at about
40190247. 82 km per second :P

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I may be missing something here. Do you roleplay at Galaxy Girl or Pocket D? I don't anymore, so I don't know.



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No i don't really, I RP with the Militia. We tend to use the canon quite a bit. We play out the story arcs in game, in character. But maybe that what we are then. We are more IC than RP.

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What I think you mean is that no one should be creating uber characters which surpass the limits created for the in-game NPCs.

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No what I was saying in my OP is we don'treally have that rescriction, and what characters do you have that may border line on break canon.

Statesman is never stated he is the strongest person int he unverse. So I could make someone stronger than him, and not break canon. However Lord recluse is the world's greatest human mind. I therefore would think it would be rude to imply that I am smart than him if I am human, as its not my story.

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That's down to comic-book convention. Dr Fate comes from the days when heroes didn't carry guns or the like (and no one would have thought of a computer). A modern day version would summon guns, but then, a modern day version wouldn't exist because the character is too powerful for modern comics.


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Ok then what about Dr. Strange? The original agruement was that creation is different from manifestion, and that the first makes you god.

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In fact, in many fantasy settings, creatures with innate magical abilities are usually fundamentally weaker than, say, a human. They start with an advantage, but they can't learn the way humans can and so the humans will eventually defeat them. It's a staple of fantasy fiction.


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True but then again, look at elves. Elven magic is often the most powerful and only the most powerful elves can muster it.

And with comics, Innate magical beings are almost always stronger than humans, we usually have some kinda of anicent spell or ritual that simply keeps them at bay

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First of all 'it' isn't restricting your creativity, you are. Making things 'realistic' doesn't limit creativity. The problem here is that you seem to be all wound up over power, so you can't see that there's other ways of dealing with things than sheer force.

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An interesting, character judgement of me there raven :P

I can think of other ways other than sheer force to over come things and have. TRACOR-005 was an example of a idea i had for a doomsday type character.

Many of my characters can be outwitted, and overcome with things other than force.

Em-pulse is easily defeated, make him doubt himself, he loses power.

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Seond, what the hell has realism got to do with anything?! This is comic-book reality. The Flash dodges bullets. If he got hit with one, he'd be dead. However, travelling at the speed of sound does not result in him being killed by a passing fly hitting him in the forehead. He is protected from the side-effects of his own powers.

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Thats good for the flash, I stated before that I didn't want Hyper Drive to have a fictional aura. I could have, in fact I have an idea for someone who does, but for Hyper I wanted an Organic Speedster, because of his plot. Which involves genetic engineering, etc..

I would never apply my own rules to other peoples, raven. I only stated them because to other RPers it might be weird why my characters act a certain way, or why i get frustrated with them.

I tried to make a fantastical character.. i didn't like him after awhile. I seem to need some level of realisim.

SSHHH you'll give the devs an idea for an infinite crisis type thing where we visit our earth!

Oh and raven I don't want you to think thisis battle of the theories. I was just defending what you said about my theories on magic :P

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I also disagree with you, and you argument has little logic. A demon is born a creature of magic, so should be more powerful than a human, but you then say you can be more powerful than a demon?


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What I meant is that you can be more powerful than demon A, but because he is inately magical, Demon A has always got the potential to be more pwoerful than you.

If this is hard to understand then let me put it this way. (THIS IS PURELY FICTION< I DO NOT KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT RAVEN TO SAY THIS IS FACTUAL)

You are a natural RP inclined person (if you will), you have a natural tendacancy towards creativity, intelligence, and other stereotypes about geeks.

I am a natural Atheletic person, I excel at Sports, Martial arts and other jock stereotypes.

Now you could go to the gym, take steroids, studied Capoeria till you can handstand for ages, but as a naturally atheletic person If i did the same I would naturally out due you. Just as if we studied the same subject and wrote a paper on it I would expect the intelligently inclined person to outdue me.

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To magic and science has always been to different things.

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It was suppose to read, To me magic and science have always been two different things fundamentally.

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Too specific. This might be the case with witchcraft, but it doesn't work well with Chinese elemental magic, alchemy, angelic magic, demonology or any of the other plethora of magical forms throughout the world.


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Oh it does. You are refering to metal, wood, earth, fire and water? yes? well they are all aspects of the earth, which in magic mythology is alive. Gaia if you will? (My mom is a spiritulist I know where you are coming from) The others are simiply calling on deties that supposedly breathe life into the universe. Gods and demons and the such. Techonlogy is often described as removing the soul of the thing in which it came, thus theroies of man losing his oneness with the earth and all that.

The definition I didn't like that you gave is that all meta human abilites are the result of latent magical channeling written into the genetic code.

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Not all can use it. Mutants, for example, develop an ability to manipulate reality in weird ways as an innate power. Latents (Science Origin in CoX) may have their power activated by some accident.

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What about physical Mutantions that occur through science such as regenative abilities? Starfish and regen as can many reptiles and other forms of life? Are they channeling your magical probablity powers? Thats why I like the definition that Magic manipulates the natural world, and the laws of sciences or warps reality as you say, but I chose to believe that science and tech are seperate to magic. Not that I am saying technological things can't channel magic, there are ways around it that are used in many fiction.

The technology can be made of a magical metal that allows it to channel and absord mystical energies. Things can be charmed, but the technology itself cannot create magical effects because it is seperated from that what makes magic.

But like you said this is just my version of magics

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Creating that gigaton nuclear bomb from scratch, by the way, should require more than just great magical skill and a load of effort. It should require a doctorate in physics and thorough knowledge of how to build a nuclear bomb.

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I totally agree. You must know at least something about the thing you are creating especially if it is complex technology. Althought some could say they that some cosmic entity endows them with the knowledge on how to make such a object breifly. Even if you look at comics, you don't really see Dr. Fate creating a gun or a computer, or car.

What I was saying was the power required to create such power objects should take something out of you, wiether it is concentration, or if it taxes your body or strains your mind etc. In real life magicals and popular fiction the more powerful the spell the more powerful the reprocussions.

Thats not to say your not right about skill. If I am a low level mage,conjuring a bowl might be hard for me and take alot of me, but to you this is simple, because you are more skilled in magic. However to create such a powerful weapon, you are in away channeling the power of a star (as nuclear weapons are often refered to the power of a star when it goes off) That should take emormous amount of power, and if it didn't strain you in some way, then you have the near power of a god in my opinion. Also in comics the ablity to control and create matter is often a power given to someone considered godlike in the first place.

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You have somekind of obsession with being the most powerful, UN. Really, get over it.

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Actually I do and do not. I don't wanna be the most powerful. This is not my world,it is the creation of another person, we are just allowed to make characters in it. The overall story of this world is not under our control, we can effect i, and have our own stories within it, but the overall deicions is up to the creator. To me it is no different from acting. We are allow to improv, to adlib abit, but not to rewrite the script or take direction of the play.But thats my take on it. I see it as me being allowed to give my perceptive on someones elses creation and add to it not control it.

If you wrote a book awhere Agent X is the best assassin in the world, and you gave your friend permission to write his own character, that you would add, it would be rude in my opinion to undermine him and say, well actually I'm the best assassin in the world. You kinda ruin the canon when you do that is my obession with it :P

To magic and science has always been to different things. Science uses the laws of phyics and the natural world, while magic manipulates it and bends it to its will. Or, if you will, the manipulation of life energies (ambient mystical energy of this universe). Hence the reason, in my mind and most fiction, only beings that are organic or alive in a organic sense can use it. Why can't a robot use magic? Because its existances is based on the natural laws, and manipulating them would destroy its existance.

Further more, magic to me has always been the channeling of this ability to warp the natural laws. The more powerful you are the more power you can channel. Beings born of magic have inate "oneness" with this energy if you will. Also magically inclined creatures will always have a better understanding and power to channel things then a netural being like a human. So you could be more powerful than a demon, but you will never bee the most powerful because you are human.Kinda like the whole fantasy thing where an Elf mage will always be more powerful than you, if you are human.

Also I have aways seen magic as straining the perosn to use. You can manifest a gigaton bomb? Cool, but it must have taken a [censored] load of concertration adn taken alot out of you! To create something that powerful you must first be able to channel enough energy to do so!

I wish the game had a beter definition of magic, instead of our own versions just clashing with each other.

One I do like is one from a game called arcanum:

An important in-game dynamic maintains that technological devices can be impeded or even destroyed by powerful magic, and that the presence of high technology can dampen or even snuff out magical effects. Because technology works with the natural laws and magic opposes and defies them.

Hmmm it seem that many people have a different opinion of alot of things, but I'm glad, now I know what i'm up against.

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So, if I were plotting something for GG which might have a magical bent, I need an overpowered enemy from the get-go.

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Funny you should say this! This is the whole reason I created TRACOR-005! He is Juggernaut, Doomsday, Magneto, Doctor Doom etc.

A being so powerful that it takes an extreme cicumstance to defeat him let alone destroy him. Nothing can true "harm" him, he withstands mulitple nulcear strikes, he is near immune to magical assaults, he can't feel pain, his strength out does anyone I've met. He can be defeated as the militia figured out, but he nearly killed three or four of them, including my own character Hyper Drive.

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from a in game prospective I'd have to say the most powerful would currently be Hami, you can tell me to shut up now

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I too believe this. But i think I'm one of the few people that sticks to the canon very stirctly, (Other than TRACOR-005 to certain degrees)
In my mind if i create a magical character, he cannot be more powerful than Mirror Spirit, my kheldian is not bonded with a super powered being, etc

I think of it as we are living in someone elses world therefore we should stick to their rules.

Other thatn that I (try :P) to think to logically. Hyper Drive is a speedster, but his power sets is */invulnerable. Why? Because he need to resist the destroying his body while running at super sonic speeds. If moving at mach 3 melts titianium, then what would it do to a humans skin? OUCH.

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I've set him up as one of the fastest beings on Earth [He brags that he once orbited the world in 23 seconds, but we all know he's a lieing bint].

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Did you think what that would do to the ozone layer and the atmosphere? and your body? if you can bee killed by bullets unless you have some special aura like the flash you would kill yourself moving that fast!

See, I can't help it I know it inhibits my creativity, but i must find at least some small bit that makes sense realisiticly!

So I made these rules for myself

Tech: my tech can only be slightly more advance that the current technology in the game, if I am from earth!

Magic: I cannot be more powerful than the in game main mage. Humans are not as powerful as demon gods or godlike beings. Demon or godlike magic will always override mine.

Mutant: the more powerful I am the large the flaw most be!

Science: I cannot become all powerful from earthly scienctific experiements, and the advances in the in game world, which prohibits god modding altogether I think

And my all time restrictor, I always am human, and male :P Unless its a villain

And he was not super powered :P

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Actually, there is VERY little real information about Kheldians in the game, which tends to give a LOT of scope for players interpretation on them.

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I was actually speaking in terms of your race not your character as the individual. There are certain things you have to agree on, or things like Raven said that would have to be common with every member of your race. SO you don't get arguements like, Kheldians cannot teleport, yes we can, no we can't, yes we can. no we can't etc...


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get carried away, largely because there's nothing except common sense and rp consensus to tell us we can't. Less malice, more freeform lunacy.


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Actually I feel compelled to try and explain every aspect about my characters logically. Two WHy Hyper Drvie is a speedster but doesn't dodge bullets, to how someone can KO him in-game when hisis indestructable.

Infact, I think I'm weird for a RPer as everything I do must be able to be explain in-game wise.Actually its how most of my powers work RP wise..come to think of it...weird?

Like why can Twilights sowrd cut almost anything? Because technically it can in game :P I guess my logic is I must be able to prove it to some degree in-game

And villian groups! Lol they only release info every 2 months on one, and only on the america sites..

Wow talk about bumming me out guys, I has all like hey! No squashed creativity ya!

I always add a major flaw to my RP alts with power-o-muches, ever supes gotta have Kryptonite/magic/red solar radiation!

True it is much easier playing a speedster with a hyper accerated metabolism, if he can pull food out of no where now thanks! YAY food emote for me!"

I do agree to a certain degree there raven, even to the point where many a time I was about to post a thread that got us all to agree on certain things in game so that RP wise we don't mysteriously have clashes.

However A Marvel type universe with too many established charaters that are the best or second best in there filed kinda downs your creativity abit I think. You say I can lift 200 tons, and then someone says, can't! Thor is the strongest being and he can only lift 150 you have to lift less or you ruin the universe!

I mention actually this tuesday as i think I wrote last week

DAMN I CAN'T WIN, OK NEXT TUESDAY AT 7:30 ON DEFIANT ETC ETC

BTW are we having a character clash :P

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Well, Miss Ellie is a Peacebringer, so she is at least in part, MADE of cosmic energy effectively!

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These are also one of those rare moments in CoX where you are bound by the canon, as a Peacebringer you are limited to the story of your race Another one kiddies is like I said with Mirror Spirit! She will always be more powerful than you if you are from this planet, human and this timeline! Yep we too have our Marvel Universe moments

Also I said Cosmic Power, not cosmic energy :P As in the ability to reshape matter on a large scale, like reshaping a planet, or solar system or traversing and creatin pocket universes, or godlike abilities. Also as far as I understood peacebringers are sentient light :P Cosmic energy is often considered energy used by beings that have godlike energy, like the Silver Surfer, Galactus, the Celestials, Beyonder, blah blah blah

Then again TRACOR-005 was originally a Forumn RP character, so his indestructablitiy was able to go unproven. Tho I have sense reconned him to have a few more weakness to make him easier to RP in game.

Agro the problem eh?

Superman is the strongest hero ever, even in the marvel universe he has bested thor, the hulk and anyone else you throw at him, infact Superboy-prime killed like 600 super powered villains and heroes in a mtter of seconds if I recall. IF the game was DC your character would conflict with the universe (Not you FFM, the collect you)!

The only major problem we have is like I said Characters clashing.

I already spotted one :P and I have never met you in game to my knowledge.

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Now one of my villains is made of proto-steel, which I based on my assuptions on it from true adamantum or better yet Captian America's Vibranium/Adamantum Shield! According to me and the Marvel universe, unless your claws are of a cosmic level of power, such as the Phoneix force, or the Beyonder, you should not be able to harm him at all, at the most you would scratch his exo-skeleton, and with time maybe even cut throught it, but according to you, your claws would cut straight throught him :P

HOWEVER, because of the undefined description of Proto-steel, other than its the CoX version of Adamantium, we could assume that a mixture of our stories are true, or with sufficent force you could cut throught him like butter, or depending on how thick it was, as oppose to MUO where I would technically be right (Unless of course your claws produce heat of serval suns combined going nova) but then again because of how expense adamantium is I could not have a character constructed entirely of it could I!

Good examples tho! Please continue! (Also I think to much into these things)

I think I may have brought this up in a post way back when i first got the game. My "search fu" as some people call it, is not good, as I lack the attention span.

I was just reading a post in the US forumn, and I thought , how lucky are we as CoX players when it comes to Rping and Fudge.

Some would disagree and say that, we don't have enough choice/customization/walking abilities that makes it suck.

HOWEVER we due have a few things that make us lucky. Our Universe is not well defined. Especially interms of power. Think of it this way if you don't get what I mean.

Marvel Universe Online. Great universe to be in, good back story, full of characters we know and love, but defined amounts of power. In my opinion this limits Rp value you as in CoX we pretty much have free ranged to be as underpowered or as powerful as we want within the story. With of course a few exceptions, Like Lord Recluse being the world's greatest stratgest, the Rikti weapons able to hurt those invulnerable to most things, Mirror Spirit being the most powerful magical being in the world and a few others. Something like in Marvel you can only ever be forth or fifth best. Wolverine regens the fsatest EVER, Thor is the strongest EVER, Kree have the most advance tech EVER. Because the Universe is so defined, we cannot change certain things because it would disrupt the universe itself. If you told me, "my character is more powerful than Galactus," I would go, "how when he is barely as strong as thor?"

In CoX you can say "I am stronger than Statesman, and I would go cool thats prettty strong, because no where in the canon does it say he is the strongest hero ever, it says he is the first one in paragon, but not the strongest. Like if we were in the DC universe, you couldn't be faster than flash, stronger than supes, or your weapons more powerful than a green lantern ring!

Aren't we lucky! We are only hampered by our fellow Rpers goin that's abit outta hand dude.. or that goes directly against canon, as oppose to standing against the almighty concept powers of Mr. Stan Lee.

So I was just wondering, what characters do you hold that benefit from the non define universe?

For me its twilight shinobi's sword which can cut throught almost anything but Proto-steel and magically absorbing metals.

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2) Does a ninjitsu stalker need stamina? I mean we only have 3 toogles...

- Yes it definitely needs.

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Are you sure.. cause I don't have many if any end problems, and i'm near lvl 20? Or does it other powers drain end like crazy?

Anyone everynotice that energy resistance is knida one side (for villains) owe to all EM/* stalkers if tanks get energy aura and scrappers elec armor!!

Well folks as the name suggests I think I went over board with my stalker... I chose way too many powers and now don't have a travel power! Luckly I have a ace up my sleeve. The 9 month respec badge!

I need to know a few things Like:

1) Is caltrops as good as I hear?
2) Does a ninjitsu stalker need stamina? I mean we only have 3 toogles...
3)Is smoke bomb any good?
4)Do i need Ninja reflexes if I take Combat jumping and Parry? Or do I not need dnager sense?
5) how do you guys nick pick from so many cool sounding powers!

I don't see why teams hate stalkers. I guess its still from the days of launch when the "gank puppies" and "PLers" all took them. Its only recently I notice that other types of players take it and newer forms of stalkers exist. "Stapper",as i call it is a weird and fun way to play.