UberGuy

I think you need to take things that people argue about with a cup of salt, when it comes to situations like that. There are almost always people who will almost always engage in a kind of indirect hyperbole, discussing a valid edge case as though it is far more common than it actually is. The smart ones don't make outright claims about how commonly something comes up. Instead, they just bring up the edge case in ways that make it easy to infer that it comes up a lot more than it does in practice.

Yeah, it definitely should have changed. Every other power like it changed. For example, Ion Judgement will chain off of an initial target that dies before it finishes activating.

It is indeed, thanks for linking it. (It hadn't occurred to me to look it up on Wikipedia, as was - and remain - rather sure I know what it means.)

I'm amused that you think anything that could happen in a forum interaction with you could embarrass me. Even if it could, other posters here seem to be affirming my position and not yours. So, either you have a valid argument, and you can defend it via explanation, or your position is untenable, and you wish to avoid revealing it by refusing to explain it.

I'm sure it's clear that I suspect the latter. If you wish to disabuse me of that suspicion, then elaborate on what you mean, or concede that it looks like you object to magic in comic-related settings because you just don't like it.

I did it in Beta with a Night Widow. She's +3 and built for the incarnate softcap to all but AoE, which she's only off by about 1% on.

Edit: The only time I used lore was in the timed fight against the KoV bosses. I can't swear I didn't use any inspirations, but that's how I play normally. I'm used to playing this character on +4/x8, so I'm normally facing +3s, so even though the DA critters are a bit scarier than the norm, they're still mostly easier to deal with than +3s. (Among other things, they die faster, even when they're more annoying.)

I invite you to enlighten me.

I think the phrase is self-defining. You consciously stop disbelieving things you know are impossible. My understanding of your claim is that the presence of magic stretches your willing suspension so much that it disrupts it. My claim is that the requisite level of disbelief is so extreme that the are already so unbelievable that introduction of "actual" magic into them essentially changes nothing for my ability to disbelieve.

I feel the non-magical stuff s almost exactly as unbelievable as the non-magic stuff. To me, this means that one must start with essentially the same level of disbelief for the non-magical fare as for the magical. And if one can suspend disbelief for the non-magical fare, suspending it for magic isn't a stretch at all.

Of course, if you don't realize that what you're reading in comics is impossible to essentially magical levels, that's a completely different problem, and a situation I don't think should be encouraged. This is what I meant about "thinking about what's in comics".

Giving real updates on stuff that's subject to change is stupid. What's that say about expecting such updates?

Every beta has been like this. I expect every beta will continue to be like this. I'm not sure why it bothers you quite so.

FYI, based on answers that Arbiter Hawk kindly gave me on beta last night, the low health description is poorly worded. What he told me is that it works more like scourge. It's not a 75% chance of damage on low health. It's a % chance that is based on how much health they have. Unlike scourge, I expect the amount of damage delivered is not +100% of base, but a fixed amount, the way a proc would be, but I did not test this last part. (For it to be +100% of base, I believe they would need new tech.)

I understand the actual words, but I find the notion they put together almost impossible to grasp. This is a world where people can fly unaided, where people can make living constructs of elements or pure energy, where there are drugs that can make you super-strong and are related to interdimensional travel, where steam-powered constructs can be build that can be mistaken for humans, and where radiation can both heal wounds and accelerate metabolisms. If including magic in this setting requires any additional quantity of suspension of disbelief for me, it is so small that I cannot perceive it.

And that's not just a City of Heroes thing. How could genetic mutation enable someone to transform into metal and stay alive? To control fire? How could cosmic radiation turn someone into living rubber, bones and all?

Then let's consider that characters like Superman not only have their impossible-to-explain abilities, but they regularly achieve things that would be impossible for someone with such powers to achieve. What do I mean? Have you ever seen Superman carry an ocean freighter, or stop a crashing plane? If someone like Superman really existed and he lifted an freighter ship with his hands, he would poke through it - ships aren't built to take the pressure of their own weight supported on spots the size of human hands. Similarly, of he tried to push back on the nose of a crashing plane, he'd end up in the plane unless he took way, way longer to do it than we usually see. (And then he'd be left trying to keep it in the air under its stall speed by gripping only the nose - the freighter problem all over again.)

Such things are just as wildly unbelievable to me as magic. Assuming they could really happen requires a willing suspension of disbelief so great that you could replace Superman with Dr. Fate using magic and to me it's about the same level of unbelievability.

Given that, I really do have a hard time believing it's anything other than a matter of preference. If it's actually about suspension of disbelief, you must think about what's actually depicted in comics less than I do.

And that only comes from the Magisterium trial, which also currently gives no other iXP type.

They are currently crafted with the same salvage as our other slots, in the same quantities.

It's because it has a self-heal backing fairly significant +defense. That's not a combination we see in the other sets.

It might have been. It was definitely someone who I think of as a regular face in old-school Scrapper discussions.

Actually, they aren't. Lore, Interface and Judgement are all fixed size contributions to damage, that don't vary by AT. What that does is perhaps best illustrated by example. Let's say Defenders have damage "rating" of 2 and Scrappers of 5. The ratio there is 2.5. If Incarnate abilities add 2 to both, then Defenders deal 4 and Scrappers deal 7, a ratio of 1.75.

It's still very likely that damage-dealing ATs deal the most actual damage (not counting damage-like effects such as -regen on hard targets), but the benefit of Lore, Interface and Judgement doesn't scale proportionally for the damage dealers.