TwoHeadedBoy

They don't function in a synergistic or productive way.

Shouldn't it be the same as putting it in Stamina though, as long as the power is still active?

Calling Quasar the best nuke in the game doesn't necessarily mean the most damaging Nuke, it means that it's the most damaging Nuke that's practical to use on some Warshade builds. If you are playing Tri Form, you don't have any dropped toggles to worry about, and you have Stygian Circle to instantly alleviate any downside of using it. On a human form build it becomes just as detrimental as any other nuke with a crash though.

DDR333.



Smack away. I actually tried posting it on Ebay, but I think I expected to get too high a percentage of my money back, because I didn't get a single bid, heh. I wanted to turn to Paragon City and the Rogue Isles before I resorted to Craigslist or something like that, since that place makes me uncomfortable.

Updated.

It's relevant because removing the KB is the most important change that needs to happen to Photon Seekers aside from finding a way to beef up the damage.
Yes it does. You need to look at the average situation in this game from first a team and then a solo perspective. For end game purposes, most of the game involves moving from one group of enemies to the next and dispersing of them as quickly as possible. When teamed with 7 or more other people, if you have Knockback baked into all of your attacks, especially powers like Solar Flare and Photon Seekers where it is impossible to control the repositioning of your enemy (that other guy made an argument for using SF as a repositioning tool, but let's face it- If you have to spend more time thinking about using a power than actually using it, it's not worth it) the KB does not have a useful purpose. There are isolated purposes where KB can be useful, but the amount of situations where constantly KBing everything is likely to be detrimental to yourself and others vastly outweighs the amount of situations where it's likely to be helpful.

No, it's not. I've teamed with Peacebringers quite a bit, as you know. I've teamed with awesome Peacebringers like AIB, and I still think Peacebringers suck. I know what it's like to be a Warshade with three Peacebringers on the team. I've personally missed the target cap on my Mire and Eclipse and had my AOE's shortchanged because a Peacebringer came along and attacked stuff. I've also played a Peacebringer, and I've played an Energy Blast Corruptor. I'm not just making this stuff up. Especially for the Peacebringer- The goal when solo is to disperse of things as quickly as possible. That is impossible to do when every single time you attack an x8 spawn, the likelihood of hitting the target cap with your next AOE attack dramatically decreases.
Why is KF's a poor example? I've teamed with your PB on a wide variety of TF's in the game which are standard group content. Your Peacebringer sucks, just like every other Peacebringer in the game. It constantly griefs my Warshade's self buffs and AOE's, and it doesn't contribute anything worthwhile enough to cover the loss. A Peacebringer on a team of 7 Warshades is the equivelant of subtracting one Warshade from the team. 6 Warshades can do things more efficiently than 7 Warshades and one Peacebringer. I have an even better example for you. Do you know how many times we did an ITF for KF's? There were always Peacebringers there, there were always defeats, and it always took a relatively long time. The other day, myself, AIB, and DoomRider did a three Warshade MoITF more quickly than any of the ITF's that were ever done on KF's. I suspect a lack of Peacebringers hindering progress had a lot to do with that.

Because you're my friend. I like playing with you enough to not mind your KB, since we're pals. That doesn't mean it doesn't annoy the hell out of me, it just means I put up with it.

Right, but Photon Seekers KB is not useful. The damage vs. Scatter is not worth the tradeoff. I use Gravitic Emanation all the time on my Warshade, and I've already noted the usefulness of KB on a circumstantial basis, but to have it baked into every power is a recipe for disaster. Granted the worst offender is Solar Flare since it's PBAOE KB and there is no way to use it as a positioning tool- There's no way to use Seekers as a positioning tool either. ST KB isn't as bad since the originator of the KB can finish off its own targets, but that doesn't make it ideal. I ran a very expensive human PB for a while and I just hated it. It killed slowly because it kept scattering things out of its own AOE radius, essentially guaranteeing that it would not hit its target cap after the alpha strike. It's just counter-intuitive. As for ST's, the bread and butter of his attack chain was R Strike. Even finishing up bosses, it would require constant repositioning of self running Strike>Bolt>Blast because the target would be continually knocked out of melee and I'd have to chase it down, making it take longer. Sure my Warshade runs Shadow Blast in his ST chain and that has a chance to KB, but it's rarely an issue compared to PB's.

Edit: I hovered my PB for the reason you mention, but it does nothing to alleviate the Scatter from Seekers or Solar Flare.

Using Glowing Touch over and over, tabbing through your teammates, is not efficient at all. All the time you spend healing individual people could be circumvented by hitting an AOE heal every so often. Targeted heals are for extreme cases like when someone gets nearly-dropped on an alpha strike or pulling a mob/AV.
Even Empath Defenders wouldn't have to make a sacrifice like that. If you're using Glowing Touch that proactively (you shouldn't even need to use it that much, but if you're in a situation where you do...) you can't do anything else. Empathy can hit Healing Arua once to mainline folks some HP. If one person isn't gathered within range of the heal, either let them die for being stupid or use your argeted heal a couple of times and then let them die for being stupid.

The bottom line is that damage should never have to be outright sacrificed, especially on a Hybrid AT like a Peacebringer. Your first obligation is damage output, and as I've pointed out it's not practical to focus on both healing and DPS in many situations- An AOE heal would go a long way to help those two things coexist.
That's a secondary effect with a low modifier, it's not a -res, -regen, etc. debuff. Something like that or giving PB's a RA/CM/Fort clone would be OP too.
Storm is an insanely good set, on a Controller with an AOE -KB immobilize. Energy Blast is a bad set, plain and simple. It's at the bottom of the pack for AOE, it's not particularly good for ST, and its secondary effect might as well be renamed "piss off your teammates." Sure there are situations where some KB could be useful, like pulling Storm Voids to Penelope in MoM but you don't roll an energy blaster just for that purpose, you play something with good power sets and Telekinesis.
No it's not. The difference between all those things and KB is that all those things are useful on a finished character. KB is mitigation for the level up journey on a solo character with no personal survivability. Again, some KB really isn't bad, and it's not bad in the right power like Gravitic Emanation being used to reposition and control spawns, but to have it as a secondary effect for every single attack instead of being able to choose when to use an attack that has it is just bad design. And don't even get me started about putting KB into a PBAOE.
Like I just said, being able to KB things if it's necessary or helpful isn't a bad thing. But when every single time you attack you're KBing something, chances are you are going to do more harm than good.
'Works well on teams.' Controls are a form of support in my opinion because they serve the purpose of keeping team mates alive. I'm not going to argue semantics with you and something you copy and pasted from paragonwiki though.

So to summarize, you're grasping at straws because even though you 100% agree with the overall point of what I'm saying, you don't think the wording I chose 100% fits the exact textbook definition of an unofficial wiki page.
You're really getting annoying with this. It's like you live under a rock sometimes. I know you've played Melee characters. I know you've played a Warshade. I know you've played a Peacebringer and a crappy Energy Blaster. When you knock things away from melee players, or even away from the targeting zone of a real Blaster or Corruptor, you grief their AOE's and you lead to things being killed more slowly. You slow down the team. When you knock things away, you also run the risk of griefing Eclipse and Mire- You personally have done this to me many times and it's annoying as hell. You also risk griefing Soul Drain, Fulcrum Shift, RTTC, Drain Psyche, and other self and group buffs every single time you use KB.

The two times it saves some poor player are nothing compared to the 50 times it pisses off competent players. Stuns pose no risk whatsoever to teammates and are a much more useful tool.

Before I update the OP, did you actually spell Ascension wrong in your characters name or was that just a post typo?

I like Barrier. +Defense is good. I like Rebirth too though. That's why I have both.

Key word: Grand.

Where are these level 10's coming from? PVP farms, I'm assuming most of that is being done at level 50. How many level 10 characters do you see farming PVP IO's, and what is the liklihood of converting a level 10 PVP drop to one of the 3 most sought after?

The uniques have been available through emp merits for a while, as with Villain merits, and the amount of time it takes to save the merits for them to me justifies a selling price over 1 billion. Granted as more trials are released, more emps can be collected per day and they can be obtained faster, but again I don't think it's going to warrant a dramatic drop in price for the low level sought after globals. I guess we'll see though.

lol

That didn't really address my question at all. He was talking about getting one of each powerset to 50, getting all the badges with i22 (on I-don't-know-how-many alts) as well as respecing alts out of Enzymes, etc. Also writing a guide, optimizing his attack chains and survivability on idk-howmany alts, working on converting his enhancements and marketeering, and the like.

I was just curious as to how long he expected all of this to take, if it was a plan he would work on over several months or 'Git'r Done' and knock all these goals out as quickly as possible... Hence my asking about his general average play time on a daily/weekly basis.

Not sure that I agree with that assessment. I can see level 50 GA/SW/Pan uniques dropping down in price, perhaps below the 1b mark some time down the road, but that's barring any future changes which we can't account for. I don't see the level 10 versions of the aforementioned uniques going below a billion at any point even in the distantly-near future though.

The point is that Peacebringers have no useful team function- Kheldians are meant to be 'jack of all trades' characters, and Warshades live up to this standard by providing AOE damage, ST damage, tanking, and support- The support for Warshades being their control. I'm not suggesting that Peacebringers have their AOE, ST, or tanking taken away from them- They just aren't good enough at any type of support. The healing precedent is set with Glowing Touch, and making the self heal an AOE heal would bring more value to the AT in team situations. The tanking that Kheldians are capable of is really a moot point since Scrappers, Stalkers, or Blasters with provoke can essentially fill the same role to a big enough extent that the services of a Kheldian are not required, wanted or even appreciated in most situations.

I'm just wondering what your average play time is per week and average amount of time per day. I can't tell just how 'grand' your grand scheme is, and I'm curious about how quickly you're able to accomplish goals like these on average.

I said the self heal, not glowing touch.
Right, but that alone is so clicky and targety and is in and of itself not a substitute for the overall lack of team usefulness a PB can provide. If you're tabbing through your team to deliver futile ST heals throughout the duration of an AV fight, you're not able to do much of anything else, at least satisfactorily. Making the self heal a PBAOE would make PB's as useful to teams as Warshades are when they permanently stun entire groups. Being able to heal all your allies and have a targeted ST heal you can serve a valid support purpose without treading on the toes of traditional support AT's due to a lack of buffs and debuffs.
KB is never good for end game purposes which is the ultimate goal of all characters, and what does death have to do with anything? Having a death requirement for PB powers (not even sure what you're talking about with this, so I'm making an educated guess) would be bad for the AT- It would be yet another example of PB's being watered down and sub-par Warshades. PB's are self contained and should stay that way.

Actually, adding a stun secondary instead of KB would be awesome for Photon Seekers, but I'm not sure it's the right direction to go in.. Warshades would still be better at controlling mobs. I personally would rather see PB's given a "jack of all, master of none" emphasis placed on healing- Making the self heal a PBAOE would be a huge step in the right direction imo. If an emphasis is placed on stuns for PB fixes and ideas like this are implemented, it just means that PB's will continue their current function which is being not quite as good as Warshades at anything they do.

For Photon Seekers, I like the idea that's already been widely agreed upon (I forget who presented it originally, probably Microcosm) that the Seekers should summon something comparable to Polar Lights lore pets after every cast after the initial explosion. Even if this happened though, the KB from the initial BOOM would still be enough for me to hate the power, so that brings us back to the ultimate suggestion in that all PB's KB should be changed to KD.

Alien, you so funny. This amused the heck out of me. I think the Rikti monkey has some deep-seeded envy issues for being the inferior brand of alien in COH.