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Quote:The thing is that most of the things not being addressed on U Stream that the Dev'sactually plan to pay attention to (the new zone, for example) get an answer like "We can't tell you, we can't talk about it! Sorry!" But when it comes to Kheldian questions, they don't even say "Yes we know Kheldians need some work, we are aware of the issues." They just IGNORE IT. They don't even let us know they saw the questions...Originally Posted by Redlynne
How many times have Devs in the UStream chats been told "I/we can't answer that" in response to questions, without revealing what the question is? Quite a few times, if you've been watching them.
So it's *possible* that Kheldians are being worked on "right now" ... but the Devs are "not allowed" to talk about it. This would be Standard Operating Procedure for Paragon Studios, as evidenced by how they have controlled the release of information of coming developments in the past few months.
Unfortunately ... there's no way for us, the Players, to differentiate SILENCE due to a release embargo from SILENCE due to ignoring the topic very heavily and just never doing anything with it. From our end the "quality" of the SILENCE is exactly the same.
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It's not like we're asking for a COMPLETE redesign of the AT's... We're asking for things that would be simple fixes. Perhaps the more mathematically inclined Kheldians should work on typing out an entire list of demands for things that need fixing in less objective and more concise terms than I'm capable of doing but...
Shorter animation times for form shifts.
Uninterruptable shifts to dwarf- Remember, this is our "status protection."
Toggle suppression. Stop dropping our toggles every time we shift forms! Every other archetype with no status protection access can at least have acrobatics. You won't even let us keep that.
Better damage scales. What else do you expect us to be doing?
Higher damage cap. Why should Warshades have the same damage cap as defenders when we are not support characters? PB's have one heal-- Does that really justify negating 100% damage from both Kheldian AT's?
Buff Photon Seekers to perform on the same level as dark extraction (after damage scale buff.)
Buff light form to a point where it is as useful as Eclipse (that's the point of this power, right?)
These few things would probably take a group of developers a week or less. All this time, COH has been rebuilding two zones, creating a totally new zone, making more than two new powersets, making a new tutorial, developing a free to play model, creating new incarnate trials, creating all new level 1-20 mission content, and probably working on new incarnate slots also. Fix the broken stuff first. -
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on topic: theres really so much you can do in terms of advocating for changes to a game, you can give as much numerical and subjective evidence and feedback as you want but it really doesn't matter because the devs are going to fix something when the devs damn well please. period.
Well, this is the best I can think of in terms of an outreach to the Devs. Zwil and other members of the staff have gone out of their way to emphasize on U Stream and other official announcements that the subscribers are the most important part of this game. They've called the forums invaluable, and said that what we post here carries weight in terms of feedback and the future of the game...
I know I haven't been around that long, but since I started playing this game my subscription has lapsed once and it was for less than a day. I have every intention of keeping my subscription on autofire (I've built for perma COH) if the staff plans on standing by what they've said--- Once again, that they value the opinions of their subscribers and take into account the feedback they get on the forums and every other means they've provided-- Which I've exhausted.
Bottom line: If the powers that be really read the boards and value the opinions of their subscribers as much as they claim to... I like playing my Warshade. He does way better than he should considering what he has to overcome. I want to like playing my Peacebringer, too. I fail at numbers and all that, but a lot of players who are AWESOME at telling you exactly where the problems are and how to fix them post on the Kheldian boards. Please read what they have to say, and try to fix it. -
To recap recent City of Heroes announcements...
-Atlas Park and Galaxy City are being COMPLETELY revamped
-New powersets are being added- Time Control and Dual Weapons (I forget the exact, official term) have been confirmed.
I am a pretty new player-- I have been around for just over 6 months. I feel infinitely horrible for all of you Kheldians who have been waiting to be buffed for years. How is it that they can update enitre ZONES, but not even acknowledge Kheldian concerns?
I have been in every single U Stream chat that Zwil has ever done, and every single time during the Q&A I ask for someone to at least acknowledge the concerns of Kheldian players. I've seen Dechs in there, along with many others, asking for Kheldian attention-- dechs was asking something as simple as power customization, which is honestly one of the least of our worries... They still wouldn't say anything about it.
The bottom line for me right now is, if you can revamp entire ZONES, can't you at least ACKNOWLEDGE that there are some issues that need to be addressed with Kheldians?! If you're going to add new powersets, can you PLEASE fix your underperforming Peacebringers?
Sure, people are able to do amazing things with Warshades, but it is a gigantic hurdle compared to the other AT's. A skilled Warshade is special because it not only requires playing and building your character well, but also finding ways around and flat-out coping with severe developmental flaws. Warshades LIVE in Melee... VEAT's get status protection. Why is it that we have to WASTE one of our Incarnate powers to get it!?
I'm not sure if we're just being too passive. Zwil got harassed about PVP in U Stream and now he participates in weekly PVP events. What can we possibly do to get the Development team to look at Khelds? Before, they were just ignoring us. Now, they're making New powersets! Should we just be skipped over? I wish I could understand how this logic works. -
Quote:I guess if you feel like unnecessarily switching forms, but for example... Farming Borea missions for shards in RWZ before issue 20, I set my difficulty at +1x8 to make sure I was always getting a potential shard drop. Whenever possible, I would stack mires>quasar>unchain essence and then move on to the next group. It was certainly always my attack chain on the first group, because I didn't have to wait for an atrociously long animation just to switch for nova, and I wouldn't have to toggle super speed back on. In that sense, it was the most ideal and fastest way to clear an entire group with 4 attacks.Originally Posted by Microcosm
The problem is if you did Judgement>Stack Mires>Quasar>Dwarf Mire>Nova AoE'sx2 you would do more damage per time. You will simply clear spawns faster. The second problem is you will only be able to use Unchain on every third mob or so, unless you are taking forever to clear a mob. A lot of people like Unchain, but it's not consistent enough or omglookatthatdamage enough for my uses.
I would still have to put up with the long and obnoxious dwarf animation when stacking mires, sure, but that's just yet another testament as to why we need form shift times a.) uninterruptable and b.) FASTER. If we could switch forms faster, I would probably agree with you that unchain essence isn't necessary. But we can't, and given that fact, I think it's absolutely essential to have a huge 1-2 shot with quasar>unchain essence. -
Quote:I chain gun them off of nightstar, and I'm usually coming in with two on escaped prisoners since there's so many bodies to begin with (after the adds, which are the most warshade fun on BAF) I never go into escaped prisoners with less than 2. Every time extraction is about to come up, I run back over to Nightstar's body (if there isn't a corpse already conveniently placed at my toes.)Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Pardon me while I expand the math, but I'm pretty sure he can...
Base recharge time is 240 seconds, which means a capped recharge value of 48 seconds (1/5 * 240). Activation time is 3.2 seconds. Duration is 200 seconds.
Time between summons becomes 51.2 seconds. Summon one, 51.2 seconds later summon two, 102.4 seconds in summon three, 153.6 seconds in summon the fourth. When you summon the fourth, there is still 46.4 seconds of the first one remaining. A total of 4.8 seconds in every 204.8 second span will be spent with only three fluffies.
That means, assuming capped recharge and perfect execution on part of the player, four fluffies can be active 97.65% of the time.
EDIT: I think we had this conversation once before, Micro. But at the time, you were proving me wrong when I had sworn I had five fluffies active at the same time. This is, of course, strictly impossible.
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Quote:I can't say anything to this besides that my in game experience has been different than what you're explaining.. I guess I can run demorecord next time I do a BAF but I don't know how else to respond at the moment.Originally Posted by Microcosm
A) That's not possible. Even at the recharge cap, which you are not at, you cannot keep 4 fluffies out 90% of the time. For the build you posted, if we add in Spiritual Core paragon and you summoned a fluffy absolutely instantly every time it recharged, you will have 4 out for 4.004 seconds before your first one expires.
B) For your build, I was referring to the 34.8% damage slotting in the fluffies, not its recharge.
edit: I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes, but my warshade is also a villain and he uses Frenzy very often. And yes, I use the spiritual alpha.
I have a lot of trouble following this logic... Your AOE attacks are Quasar, Unchain Essence, Nova Emanation, and Nova Detonation. I don't think any of these should be skipped because another does more damage... I like to use Judgement>Stack Mires>Quasar>Unchain essence>Dwarf Mire>Nova AOE's as my attack chain against big groups... Particularly on solo x8 maps, it absolutely destroys everything. If the difficulty is only at +1 or +2 just stacked mires, quasar, and unchain essence alone will effectively destroy everything most of the time.Quote:It's got nothing to do with not being able to target a body. It's damage per activation time is lower than Dark Nova Emanation, and, on top of that, its recharge is prohibitively long. -
Quote:I don't think dark extraction requires more slots than I've given it. As it is right now, I have 4 fluffies up about 90% of the time during the escaped prisoners phase of BAF.Originally Posted by Microcosm
Both of those builds need to give some more loving to Dark Extraction... That's pretty much an "always 6-slot" power.
I'm not a big fan of Unchain Essence myself. You can hop into Nova form and do more damage with its two AoE's, without requiring the body or the hefty recharge time. That's more of "if I have room for it, I'll add it" than a need.
Inky Aspect works ok, it's just not really necessary. Another "if I have room" power.
I like rowley's original build better except:
-Switch Positron's Acc/Dam in Nova Emanation to the Dam/Rech
-Orbiting Death is going to be pretty useless like that
-A set of Oblits would go nicely in Sunless mire, and should take more precedence than putting them in Quasar (you can move those rectified reticle to nova)
-I wouldn't put the FF +rech in Gravitic Emanation, but rather in Nova Detonation or Emanation
-Swap that accuracy in Eclipse (or add a slot) to get a little more resistance value; you want to be at 85% resistance with 5 enemies hit, but right now you're at 82%
-Gravity Well would like a tiny bit more slotting if you can find it
I never said not to use the nova aoes, but that doesn't change that fact that unchain essence does massive damage. It's also an aoe stun, so pretty much whatever it doesn't kill will be stunned. I would call it an essential warshade power. If you are having trouble locating a dead body, set up a bind to target the nearest dead body and fire unchain essence.
I'm a fan of dropping 4 Reactive Armor's in dwarf and eclipse- It puts you at ED capped resistance for each and adds some s/l defense. With the build I posted, Eclipse has a good overlap from set bonuses anyways so I didn't need to worry about ED capping the recharge.
I don't really see the sense in using the perf shifter +endurance IO in Nova and Dwarf if they require an extra slot. It's nice to just drop in the default one but you really shouldn't have to worry about running out of endurance or needing any extra, ever... With a high recharge build, stygian circle is up so often, not to mention eclipse also fills your endurance all the way up. -
Has it dawned on anyone else that when COH: Freedom launches, we can create secondary free accounts, PL up brutes on our current mains, and then in turn use those brutes to run all of the sets we really want to play on our main accounts up to 50 as long as it's not in AE? (since free accounts can't use it)
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Blasters, as a whole, have gotten me optimistic about finding some crazy-fun combination eventually. Right now my prominent one is fire/mental, a lvl 35 ranged hover blaster... But I know the AT offers much more variety.. The secondary sets seem sort of scant, though. :/
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Skipping Unchain Essence is a huge mistake, it's one of your most damaging attacks. You might also want to consider picking up Nebulous Form with the new buff making it an instant panic button (for those situations when you lag a bit and press eclipse at the wrong time, et cetera.)
Personally, I used to have inky aspect on my build but playing tri form, it drops every time you switch forms and it has a painfully long immobilizing activation time so it's no good to try to turn it on during a fight.
5 slotting gravimetric snare just for the purple recharge bonus is sort of questionable, especially considering that you can try to fit an armageddon in one of your Mire's for the same bonus without wasting slots. I see that you put an obliteration in dwarf mire for the s/l bonus which is justifiable- 32.5% s/l defense is a good goal to have, but my build settles for 30%... Keep in mind you can't get everything just where you want it on a tri form build, but you have capped resistances via perma eclipse to make up for it.
Sunless Mire should not be used as a strictly s/l mule. This is one of your essential powers that is not only an AOE attack, but with the right recharge can keep you at 300% damage consistently in addition to its' Dwarf counterpart....
I know some people on this board are not in favor of worrying about s/l defense, but I personally feel like it makes a huge difference in my survivability... Here is a bar no cost build I came up with that has higher recharge, ~30% s/l defense, and without gimping any of your essential powers that make warshades awesome.
edit: In terms of incarnates- Spiritual Alpha, Clarion Destiny, and Reactive Interface are the ones I would most *highly* recommend, with 100% focus on recharge, status protection, and DoT as applicable. I also like Void Judgement for thematic purposes and once Issue 20.5 launches I think that Nemesis Lore pets should be mandatory for everyone.
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Level 50 Science Warshade
Primary Power Set: Umbral Blast
Secondary Power Set: Umbral Aura
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Concealment
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Ebon Eye -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Absorption -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 2: Gravimetric Snare -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 4: Gravity Shield -- GA-3defTpProc(A)
Level 6: Dark Nova -- P'Shift-End%(A)
Level 8: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(9), RechRdx-I(9)
Level 10: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Ksmt-ToHit+(43)
Level 12: Sunless Mire -- Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(13), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(13), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15), Oblit-%Dam(15), Oblit-Dmg(17)
Level 14: Shadow Cloak -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 16: Tactics -- Rec'dRet-ToHit(A), Rec'dRet-ToHit/Rchg(17)
Level 18: Gravity Well -- Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(19), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(21), Hectmb-Dam%(21)
Level 20: Black Dwarf -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(23), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(25), RctvArm-ResDam(25)
Level 22: Stygian Circle -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A)
Level 24: Nebulous Form -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 26: Unchain Essence -- Ragnrk-Dmg(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(27), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(29), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(29)
Level 28: Gravitic Emanation -- Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(31), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(31), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(31), Amaze-ToHitDeb%(33)
Level 30: Essence Drain -- RgnTis-Regen+(A)
Level 32: Dark Extraction -- C'Arms-Acc/Rchg(A), C'Arms-+Def(Pets)(34), C'Arms-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), C'Arms-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(36)
Level 35: Quasar -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(36), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Oblit-%Dam(39)
Level 38: Eclipse -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(39), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(39), RctvArm-ResDam(40)
Level 41: Stygian Return -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Grant Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 47: Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 49: Vengeance -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Dark Sustenance
Level 1: Shadow Step -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 10: Shadow Recall -- Winter-ResSlow(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A)
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Level 6: Dark Nova Blast -- Apoc-Dmg(A), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(33), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(34), Apoc-Dam%(34)
Level 6: Dark Nova Bolt -- HO:Nucle(A)
Level 6: Dark Nova Detonation -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(40), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(43), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(50), Posi-Dam%(50)
Level 6: Dark Nova Emanation -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(3), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), Posi-Dam%(23)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Antagonize -- Zinger-Taunt(A), Zinger-Taunt/Rchg(7), Zinger-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(11), Zinger-Acc/Rchg(11), Zinger-Taunt/Rng(40), Zinger-Dam%(42)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Drain -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(5), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Heal-I(42)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Mire -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(43), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(45), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Oblit-%Dam(46)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Smite -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(46), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(46), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Step -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Strike -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(48), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(48), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
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Quote:I fail at the numbers thing, but solo, my warshade clears +4/x8 fire farms in 5 minutes max with bosses turned off- Keeping 1-3 small purple inspirations active at a time and small blues for endurance recovery- one used at a time after quasar only. Bosses on teams slow it down a bit, but the survivability difference is well covered with the use of vengeance.Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
Well, while I would never advocate a Dwarf form WS for dealing ST damage over a Scrapper or Brute, 150 DPS is at least passable if you compare it to the quasi-tanker that Dwarf form is.
So here's the next two questions.
Using every tool available to survive, what would be the absolute optimal ST DPS you think you would be capable of? It can be any form, or changing between forms.
Using every tool available, where does the WS fall on the AoE damage output scale?
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I've had the (mechanically unfeasible, more than likely) idea that the 20-50 Praetorian content could be crazy villains who become Tyrants lieutenants (since he shares his uber power with them) and fight against the Primals in the ultimate trial/PVP/end of story event.
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Well, I've always wanted to make a troller but could never decide on a set... Ill/Rad seemed too easy, I didn't want to be a clone of the typical overpowered set. Now with Time Control, I can make an Ill/Time controller
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Trying to stay positive about everything, definitely lots of good stuff coming in. I was hoping i21 would allow for a paretorian 20-50 end game, though. Lots of my Praetorian arcs end on very peculiar and random notes just because "it's time to leave, you have outleveled this story."
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Quote:Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
Don't be silly, everyone knows that only straight males exist on the internet
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Quote:Originally Posted by Redlynne
This fuel pump works perfectly fine in my Honda. Why is it unsuitable for a 737 airliner? All it does is pump hydrocarbons around, and they both use hydrocarbons for fuel. What's the difference? Why won't this work?
Filed under the heading of: You Just Don't Get It.
Sub-heading: You Are Not An Engineer.
I never claimed I was an engineer, jeesh. In fact I said myself that I have no real understanding of game mechanics. To quote my last post:
Or to recap, take a chill pill.Quote:I'm not saying "hey Devs! Do this now!" or even, next month or next year. Heck, I don't expect it to happen at all... It was just a hypothetical idea I had that I thought was kind of cool.
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Oh no, this was just posted 4 minutes ago on Facebook and I'll just copy over my response here: Dislike. This game is already worth paying for... I really hope the F2P players are kept off the main servers.
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I'm not saying "hey Devs! Do this now!" or even, next month or next year. Heck, I don't expect it to happen at all... It was just a hypothetical idea I had that I thought was kind of cool.
Quote:I got jumped on for making a "do it yourself" comment at someone who was complaining about how horribly bad and evil the new incarnate content is, but I'm not the jumpy type so I won't take offense. I know this isn't Mortal Kombat! I was just citing examples of this mechanic happening in other games because I was asked to.Besides, This is not Mortal Combat. We're playing City of Heroes. This game does not work like that game. It's a completely different type of thing.
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I've noticed that 9 times out of 10 if I roll a new character on Virtue and start him in Praetoria, he is going to be on a full team of 8 until he gets to level 20. It does cool of a bit at that point for me most of the time, but I spend this phase of leveling doing the Midnighter arc, Keith Nance, and Roy Cooling arcs until I see teams advertising that they're doing tips or low level TF's, which is pretty common.
I don't notice a real slowdown until the 30's because that's when you've finished the more fun arcs, tips start to feel like a grind, and exp seems slow. There's always Oroboros and Cimerora but I've never come across (or actively looked for, to be fair) a level 30-ish team in those zones.
Level 35 means a trip to RWZ, and I'm usually able to get teams together for at least part of those arcs. Then you can accompany the level 50 teams doing Borea missions for shards, except you'll be doing it for vanguard merits, drops, and XP. (Not to mention, you'll have a team! Yay!)
The 40's get kind of slow for me, too, but usually by then you can team with people of any level pretty comfortably and you have more content available to you... All in all, it's not that bad, but there are those slow points where I've stopped playing characters because they're no fun to solo and I just couldn't find anything going on. -
I'm pretty sure the reason they had to implement the shard to thread conversion mechanic is because they didn't want people with stockpiled shards to be able to have all their new stuff slotted without doing a BAF or Lambda once. They're putting out new content and they want the community to have incentive to play it. If you could just use the shards and components you've had stockpiled for a year on all the new stuff, why would you bother running trials at all? I would hate to spend a bunch of time designing new and challenging content for an awesome game and not be able to offer a new and unique reward for completing it.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Golden Girl
But then we'd have been raging at them for not adding it sooner
This, for sure. I feel like no matter which way you slice it, people would be complaining. Personally I think the incarnate system rules and I am nothing but optimistic about all the new stuff we're going to be getting. While the rewards system is a very big issue for me and many others, I honestly feel like the developers of this game listen to their community and once they have the resources they will be able to rectify it to a point that the player base is happy with.
Of course the trials are going to be a grind right now... The system was just introduced. Sure, they could've kept it locked up until they had 50 trials and a solo path done, but then you wouldn't have anything to do but get t4 alphas on every single one of your alts, plus all the new 50's you get in the next year.
I prefer the gradual release of new content- There is going to be something awesome to look forward to for quite a while guaranteed. If it all came out at once, everyone would still play through it all, get all their stuff, and then say "what's next?" -
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Please give me an example of any MMO (or hell, any game for that matter) which has a shapeshifter that absorbs forms and does not have predefined paths.
I'm not sure what you mean by pre-defined paths.. But as I already said several times, Shang Tsung in Mortal Kombat. I don't think it's fair to say "any other MMO" because COH prides itself on being the first (and best) Super Hero MMO. Many popular super heroes have this ability or something similar. Some examples are Shang Tsung (already stated,) Mystique from X Men, Ditto from Pokemon, Kirby in "Kirby Super Star", and I'm sure there are a bunch more. -
I feel like there have been lots of cool super heroes all throughout comic history with shape shifting abilities... Kheldians are our shape shifting AT, and if I knew nothing about this game my FIRST assumption would be that the shapeshifters could absorb forms. I'm not a game designer so I don't know how exactly it would work mechanically though I have posted some suggestions... I know the argument has been "Kheldians don't work that way" but the cool thing about proposing new ideas to a fantasy world is that logic doesn't need to be taken so strictly. Perhaps, like I already stated, these Kheldians are more advanced and have evolved to a point where they can bond *part* of their energy with A.) A willing host (team mate, the PB version) or B.) An enemy (The Warshade version) thus absorbing those forms. It would only be part of their energy, so they would only be able to retain the form for X amount of time. The reason they have this new ability is because *insert lore mumbo jumbo here.*