Turbo_Ski

Maneuvers has a much higher Def bonus for defenders than tankers, It's a relevant advantage that tankers simply don't have. Making the entire team minus the defender have better defense (ranged/melee/aoe > only s/l/nrg/neg) than an ice tanker is pretty significant already to include the defender in the buff though is overpowering since it completely devalues the entire point of the Tanker AT. This isn't even including the numerous debuffs and controls that come with the Cold dom set that are superior in every way to the rest of the Ice Armor set.

If defenders had immunity to purple patch, we would have lvl 10 Rad/* defenders debuffing lvl 20 mobs by Tohit/Defense by 31.3% instead of 3.13%, resistance by 30% instead of 3%, and damage by 25% instead of 2.5%. Such a situation is game-breaking since it makes support set stacking 10 times more powerful than it already is and devalues the ATs without support sets.

Here is that problem with that logic...

Ice Tanker total defense:
Frozen/Glacial Armor = 26.5% Nrg/Neg/S/L
Energy Absorption at 10 hit cap = 9.36% Nrg/Neg/S/L/Fire/Cold
Wet Ice = 1% Nrg/Neg/S/L/Fire/Cold
TOTAL = 36.86% SELF ONLY

Cold Defender total defense:
Ice/Glacial Shield = 23.4% Nrg/Neg/S/L/ranged/melee/aoe
Arctic Fog = 7.8% ranged/melee/aoe
Maneuvers = 5.46% ALL
TOTAL = 36.66% TO ENTIRE TEAM

Such a change would have to result in SEVERELY nerfing down ally only buffs or risk the complete death of all Melee ATs.

The problem with that is that most enemies don't have any damage or debuff mitigation to bypass and when they do it's usually incredibly minor such as 10% resist to one damage type.

It's a nice idea, but it wouldn't work out in practice at all. Only way I could forsee this working is if you gave them immunity to the purple patch on debuffs but that would be too game-breaking of an ability and probably isn't even remotely doable.

Your assessment is absolutely flawed if you haven't fully played both Defenders and Corruptors. For instance, my Ice/cold corr deals more damage and supports the team better than my Cold/Ice defender. Same could be said about my Rad/Rad corr and Rad/Rad defender and dark/dark corr and dark/dark defender.

The reason for this is because the damage loss going from Def -> Corr is significantly more than the support gain going from Corr -> Def. Since Damage naturally acts as a form of damage mitigation, the extreme damage deficiency for defenders makes them weaker at supporting the team than corruptors. This becomes even more apparent the more support ATs are added to the team.

Also the FotM trends in this game have always shifted to either easy to solo builds and/or farming builds. This is why you see more scrappers than tankers and more controllers than defenders. Given the choices between corr and def, the majority is going to shift for corruptors because of the earlier attacks and the ability to farm rapidly.

No one is saying there will be zero defenders when we say GR is going to kill defenders, we're talking majorities. Such as 9 corruptors for every 1 defender kind of majority.

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