Tripp Hazzard

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Yeah, the farm haters all say in their hypocracy that MA farmers will kill the game.

It's actually the hate that is killing the game. Farm haters hate because they feel ignorant for not figuring out how to increase their rewards.

People's so called protecting the game comes off as nothing but hate.

I've never minded answering questions like where to go to get capes no matter the lvl of the questioner.

I'd rather protect the game by being inclusive and helpful instead of discriminating and hateful and demanding that people play the game one specific way.

[/ QUOTE ]Aren't you engaging in just as hateful and stereotyping a statement when you say "Farm haters hate because they feel ignorant for not figuring out how to increase their rewards"?

I'm not a "farm-hater", but I do believe that failing to limit the amount of XP Farming in MArch would be bad for the game in the long run. Which camp do you lump ME into?

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You should have upped your donation by a factor of ten and then see if they stuck to their morals. Every one has their price after all.

Turning down 5 Million is one thing but 50? 100? That will get you near any non purple rare or fund most of a build.

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Morals? Maybe they just didn't want to be bothered with 5mm. Now if you were gifting packs of 100mm, then I'd be somewhat surprised if someone turned it down.

[/ QUOTE ]I would. Honest. Try me!

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In most cases, I have found the word "Powerleveller" used to refer to "Leveller", "Hardcore", and even "Badger" or "Content Monger". It's probably best that those are referred to as separate things.

And really, a Farmer is trying to do the same sort of things, collect XP, badges, or other symbols of accomplishment, but wants to earn them as quickly and effortlessly as possible. It's the fact that usually this just involves repeating the same content over and over that makes for the "farming". As the devs have said, though, if you want to repeat the same content because you LIKE it, that's not really farming.

Perhaps you should put all of those various "Achievers" under the same category.

Also, instead of "Humanist" how about "Concept Restricter" or "Limiter"? What these players have in common is that they sacrifice certain elements of their build for concept or challenge reasons. They create a character concept, such as "my character must have only learned skills and not powers" or "my character must be a Mastermind without any pets" and then challenge themselves by remaining within the limits they have set for themselves.

In some cases this can be more of a challenge than others, which is why sometimes it's not purely for role playing reasons, but for the challenge. I wish I could come up with a better name.


[/ QUOTE ]And you just made me realize that the "Man Build" types are actually Concept Artists. Like "No Travel Power", or "Natural = no powers", or "taking every single power from both Primary and Secondary powersets, the concept guides the build.

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unsure of the OPs intent here other than destroying inf.

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Art, my friends, art.

It's very easy [for me anyway] to make billions more than I spend on my characters. The challenge, then, is to find a way to spend my money that entertains me and does [by my standards] some good.

I was involved in trying to crash the demand for Luck charms. I was the guy who tried to stabilize midrange common salvage for over a year. I'm looking for a new project. Destroying ten billion inf might hold my interest.

[/ QUOTE ]"Self-entertainment" . . . okay that's a reason I can comprehend. Lay on! Let us know how long it takes!

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Wow, this subject is still being debated? Even the Devs don't talk about it anymore.

[/ QUOTE ]Nope. Just exploring one person's personal feelings and attitudes.

Trying to avoid reading more into your response than is there: I'm hearing that if you saw something you thought the Devs were likely to call an exploit, you'd leave it alone. You wouldn't go building a mission full of it.

But you feel that if they want to keep you from doing something you WANT to do, they have to make it impossible for you to actually do so. But there are some things that, while not impossible, you accept that you shouldn't do them? (Like take advantage of something that is, in your own judgement, likely to be an exploit.)

The question I still have is this: If you chose to do something that you knew was against the rules, how would you respond if they punished you for doing it? Would you feel they didn't have the right to do so? Or would you chalk it up to "Oh, well, I got caught and I got punished"? (Or something else?)

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(I'm not trying to set you up for some kind of "well, you're a dirty [whatever]". I'm honestly interested in your responses to those questions.)

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Respectful dialog with people you disagree with?!?!?! I must be on the wrong board.

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Except for basic things that the devs have no control over, like abusive and racist language in chat, there should be few to no rules in the game. If the devs don't want me doing something, it should be enforced programatically. If they want to encourage or discourage certain behaviors, they should do this through game design, not commandments. They should most certainly not give me a tool that, as part of its core functionality, gives me everything I need to engage in positively reinforced behaviors that they would like to discourage.

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If you discovered something that gave awesome reward for very little effort, something you could also tell the Devs were likely to call an exploit once they found out about it, what would you do? Would you leave it alone or would you build MArch missions designed to get as much out of it as you could before they "fixed" it?

And if your answer is to grab what you can while you can, how would you respond if they canceled your account for doing so?

(I'm not trying to set you up for some kind of "well, you're a dirty [whatever]". I'm honestly interested in your responses to those questions.)

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Problem: Apparently the DEVS don't consider Farms and Farming in MArch acceptable. Period. You're going to have to convince THEM, first.



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I tend to look at what people do, not what they say, to determine what they believe. Through their inaction, the devs have tacitly condoned farming. The token measures they've taken to stop it are laughable.

Alternatively, maybe they do find farming unacceptable, but their definition of farming is substantially different than what the hall-monitor set consider to be farming. Meow may be farming in their minds, but all boss outdoor maps may not be. If they do think that an all boss outdoor map is unacceptable maybe they should, you know, remove the option from MA, like they did with Rikti comm officers.

[/ QUOTE ]Comm Officers were an exploit. They haven't said anything to indicate the all-boss map is actually an exploit. I agree, though that if it is giving an unacceptable rate of reward, they need to do SOMETHING about it. Remove the option completely (which I'd hate), or change the system so that combination doesn't give an unacceptable rate of reward. Which appears to be the approach they are taking.

"Because they say so."

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For quite awhile now, I've putting in "Rent Paid on --/--/--" (or whichever way you prefer to list the date) - in the MOTD of my SG's/VG's.

That way when I login to a character, I can look at the MOTD and have a good idea if i need to go pay the Rent or not...

A glance and a rough guess-timate, "ok the date paid was X and lemme see +6 weeks... = well I may need to pay rent in the near future..." OR
"Nope, I still have X amount of time left before I even need to worry about it!"

I don't use the MOTD for much else - all my groups are mine, unless some old RL friend(s) comes back to the game from a LONG break & even then, they'd have probably have to rejoin - I'm 99% sure nobody I know still has alts/toons in any of my groups - I mean they'd be welcome... but they just aren't into CoX.

But they're off playing WoW (a couple of them had a lot of time/effort wrapped up in their guilds or whatever), or possibly something else, or in a couple cases - last I heard they aren't playing ANY subscription-based games... *shrug*


So anywho - I'd recommend trying this & if you do have to /petition it they'll normally fix it PDQ.

I can only think of one time when they didn't - )iirc) it was a year or so ago, during a long Holiday. And a couple of people that were here on the forum - that had horrible luck/timing had to wait a week or so...
Not really the end of the world, unless maybe you only play on 1 server?

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I'm sure there are a lot of players that do the same thing you do, but I have no doubt that there are just as many that don't and simply wait for the power to shut off or even the base to get locked out before paying rent.

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And then I face that arduous slog from Ouroboros to the Registrar. . .

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Simple solution: Stop trying to fight them, and let people make all the farms they want. Then allow people to tag their mission as "Farm" or "not Farm". This will allow people to filter out farms if they don't want to see them, and everyone can play their own way and be easily able to find the types of missions they want.

[/ QUOTE ]Problem: Apparently the DEVS don't consider Farms and Farming in MArch acceptable. Period. You're going to have to convince THEM, first.

(I'm using Farms and Farming in the usual, high-reward/minimum-time usage, not in the "anything can be farmed" usage.)

I may have to burn my "Junior Ebil Marketeer" card, because I just don't understand WHY you'd want to deliberately burn Inf. I understand why the DEVS would want to, just not why a PLAYER would want to.

Or is this actually just a thought exercise and I completely missed the point?

1 cup of coffee in the morning, sometimes two on the weekend. (Non-Dairy Creamer, Sugar, and something that makes "real" coffee drinkers gag -- a small spoonful of Chocolate Ovaltine. Flavored coffee without the expense.)

Rest of the time it's water in one of those big plastic thermal mugs. I keep it on the far end of the computer desk, away from the electronics.

And occasionally a Mountain Dew Code Red.

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Because there's still an easy way to farm? Because when you select a defendable object, you can get 12 of them to stack on each other? Because there are defendable objects that give +regen status bonus? Because you can get over 1000% regen by doing this?

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Woah, Dayum. That does not sound right at all, stacking objectives, youch. I'd let the Devs know about that one if I were you, looks like a bug.

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I did

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Negative. Trust me, I've had this happen. The GMs will literally not look at the content of your arc unless it's been locked and you've either prodded CS about it or you flag your arc for review. They will do nothing at all if left on their own.

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How many complaints does it take to get locked, or looked at by GMs? My Dev Choice arc has 8 or 9 complaints now (most of them aren't real complaints... the "complainer" didn't fill in any details so it's just the default text in the complaint box, and the others are about as laughable as the ones the OP says he got) but to my knowledge it hasn't been locked or anything.

I wonder if DC arcs are exempt from that process, anyway...

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Would not surprise me that DC is exempt. Pointless to have a CS review it if a FREAKING DEV has looked at it and said it's a-okay.

Anyone petitioning a Dev's Choice arc is a moron.

[/ QUOTE ]Seems to me you shouldn't even be ABLE to report a Dev's Choice. Sheesh.

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Negative. Trust me, I've had this happen. The GMs will literally not look at the content of your arc unless it's been locked and you've either prodded CS about it or you flag your arc for review. They will do nothing at all if left on their own.

[/ QUOTE ]What's the longest you've gone without prodding/flagging yourself, and how long does it take after that?

What if they have to restore your character to before the glitch happened? Would you rather have to shelve that character until it's fixed, or lose everything you'd picked up because you continued to play them?

That might be why they recommended not playing them.

In this situation I'd be politely inquiring regularly as to whether they have any estimate for fixing it, am I likely to lose any legitimate gains since then when it is fixed, etc.

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Fix the defendable "objects" then mate. It is an outlier and should go the way of the other outliers. That is specific and needed, the rest of the suggested by the OP is feldacarb and is not.

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Agreed

[/ QUOTE ]You better sit down, guys.

/Agreed

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As things stand now, it seems the system auto-locks the arc once a certain number of complaints are received (the number is unknown, but it's not 1, so since you only have 1, you've got nothing to worry about), and only once the creator protests the auto-lock does customer service get involved.

[/ QUOTE ]Even that "auto-lock" is supposed to be only until it is reviewed.

Maybe the protest just gets them moved to the front of the queue.

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everybody knows that all casual players need to purple their warshade.

Jeez.

[/ QUOTE ]What's a warshade?





I kid! I kid!

This would make people who want to build an all-one-mob map work a little harder during creation of the mission. That's all. If that's enough to deter a Farmer, they ain't much of a Farmer.

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I vaguely recall that it was originally to emulate a mundane "human", ie a non-super/extraterrestial/mutant/robot/magical or technologicially enhanced earthling. As such, power selection is based on any that are not "super" in nature, which essentially just left the Pool powers. If you're at a level up where the only choices are from your primary or secondary, you pick something, but you don't use it. You're supposed to remove the power button from your Tray to avoid temptation. In addition, since you're a mundane human, it was suggested that you pick a low HP archetype. Overtime, the "human" build name got bastardized to being the "Man" build.

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Humanist: a player who's trying to make their character as "non-super" as the game mechanics allow. Starting with a "low" hitpoint archetype, and choosing the bare minimum they can from their primary and secondary powers, they focus on non-"super" powers (such as Pool powers). The goal is to simulate a "normal" human trying to function in a world of Super-powered beings. The character is often called a "Human Build", or a "Man Build".

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What would you call a Pugger, who doesn't create teams, like a commander, but when left in charge of a team (Once the leader leaves) Becomes an awesome beacon of strategy? XD

With Love,
Me! <3

[/ QUOTE ]"Unlucky"?





You should form your own teams, and be a Commander!

"What kind of player are you?"

"I'm an Altaholic."

"Yeah, but how do you like to PLAY? Do you prefer to solo, team, RP, Farm, PvP, what?"

"I told you, I'm an Altaholic. I play LOTS of different characters."

"Okay, I got that, but what do you DO when you're on one of those characters?"

"I'm an ALTAHOLIC!!!"

"And I'm'a gonna' smash someone if they don't tell me how they like to PLAY!!!"

"Who?"




I feel that Altaholic (and "Altistic") describes the player's personality more than how they like to play. (I left out "Leeroy" and "Motor-Mouth" from my original thread for similar reasons.)

But I'm not close-minded to opposing argument.

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That was my understanding... so 2 things could be in play:
1-Ppl a not reporting
2- they lack the staff to convert all the reported arc.

somehow I'm looking at #1.

[/ QUOTE ]I'd go with both, and add

3. Some them have already been reviewed and declared acceptable.